ColdGoldLazarus posted:

So I'm reading through this, and currently on Chapter 16. Kinda confused by the ending; did I miss something, or was there a mistranslation? Like, I can't tell if the last panel is implying Minami got hit by the sister, or by Iori, or neither. Looking back through the chapter, no actual violence has been shown from either of them despite the plentiful threats, but then there's that that like, mark on Minami's cheek that I can't tell if it's a bruise or just her blushing for some reason. Given everything that went down in like, Chapter 8 or 9 or so, it feels like kind of a weird implication, but given no hitting was directly shown, I'm wondering if the translation is off or something.

There's no mistranslation. Iori punched Minami offscreen for suggesting it wasn't a good idea to go out with her. She has a bruise near the mouth.

What's not clear there?

last edited at Aug 26, 2022 2:31AM

Iori punched Minami. Minami like, directly says so. Iori actually hits Minami pretty often, people here on the forums complain about it all the time. The author doesn't seem to recognize the disconnect between the "This person is from an abusive household" backstory and the "people punch each other for slapstick" humor.

Ahhhhhh. Oh dear, I guess I should brace myself for the rest of this, then ^^;

There's no mistranslation. Iori punched Minami offscreen for suggesting it wasn't a good idea to go out with her. She has a bruise near the mouth.

What's not clear there?

Ah, so it was offscreen. I guess that would be the occam's razor reading, but between it being offscreen and the context abuse had already been brought up previously, I thought I must have been missing something or the dialogue was off somehow, or any other interpretation that would line up better. What Heavensrun said about the author just being weird about that in general, makes it make a bit more sense now, though.

Iori punched Minami. Minami like, directly says so. Iori actually hits Minami pretty often, people here on the forums complain about it all the time. The author doesn't seem to recognize the disconnect between the "This person is from an abusive household" backstory and the "people punch each other for slapstick" humor.

It would be actually better if "they do it for slapstick, don't take it seriously" was the simple explanation, and they left it at that, without delving into other issues.

Iori punched Minami. Minami like, directly says so. Iori actually hits Minami pretty often, people here on the forums complain about it all the time. The author doesn't seem to recognize the disconnect between the "This person is from an abusive household" backstory and the "people punch each other for slapstick" humor.

It would be actually better if "they do it for slapstick, don't take it seriously" was the simple explanation, and they left it at that, without delving into other issues.

OR go the other way and make it clear that this behavior is part of a consensual kink relationship, as opposed to a person getting hit because they’ve made their partner angry, i.e., abuse.

Hell, a really imaginative author might theoretically be able to show a clear difference between the real domestic abuse Minami suffered and submissive physical horseplay with her lover (I don’t quite know how, but then I’m not a brilliant author). But this story has not been that.

Chapter 23's punch also seemed kinda sketchy, but I was able to roll with it with the understanding the author is weird about this stuff, but what the actual fuck is Chapter 32. I don't like to get all persnickety about perfect morality in fiction and stuff, but the presentation here was just, kinda uncomfortable. All the girls saying Minami should break up with someone for beating her up are right, honestly. The fact that Iori didn't even apologize at the end and demanded one from Minami... Kinda making me hope these two are on the path to a breakup, instead of just keeping going with this dynamic.

What's worse is that Minami expressed some valid concerns about her relationships, and Iori's response was to get violent, instead of, idunno, hugging her or something? So much for her being a safe haven in comparison to Shizuku.

At least with Saori and Shizuku, it feels like both are equally capable of dishing out and taking the violence; doesn't make it a perfect dynamic but it feels like, balanced at the very least? With Iori and Minami, the age gap was one thing, but the abuse from the older party suddenly throws that into question too. Eurgh. Think I'm gonna take a break from reading this for a bit.

last edited at Aug 28, 2022 8:11AM

Chapter 23's punch also seemed kinda sketchy, but I was able to roll with it with the understanding the author is weird about this stuff, but what the actual fuck is Chapter 32. I don't like to get all persnickety about perfect morality in fiction and stuff, but the presentation here was just, kinda uncomfortable. All the girls saying Minami should break up with someone for beating her up are right, honestly. The fact that Iori didn't even apologize at the end and demanded one from Minami... Kinda making me hope these two are on the path to a breakup, instead of just keeping going with this dynamic.

What's worse is that Minami expressed some valid concerns about her relationships, and Iori's response was to get violent, instead of, idunno, hugging her or something? So much for her being a safe haven in comparison to Shizuku.

At least with Saori and Shizuku, it feels like both are equally capable of dishing out and taking the violence; doesn't make it a perfect dynamic but it feels like, balanced at the very least? With Iori and Minami, the age gap was one thing, but the abuse from the older party suddenly throws that into question too. Eurgh. Think I'm gonna take a break from reading this for a bit.

Right—Saori and Shizuku seem to have decided that their relationship is a fight game, so fine, that’s how they roll.

Iori and Minami are generally pretty cute, even with the non-physical parts where Iori is a bit pissy, like, “You dummy—don’t you know how much I love you?”

But the “Iori is a safe haven from physical abuse for Minami, except when she gets mad and hits her” part is just, “WTF, author?”

I'm not sure why you'd eat the one becoming a zombie, wouldn't you rather become a zombie first?

I'm not sure why you'd eat the one becoming a zombie, wouldn't you rather become a zombie first?

Cause it's an error, i checked the french translation and somehow here they change sense for some reason (mistake ?).

In french Saori said she would let Shizuku bite her so they can be zombies together more precisely "so we can stay together" and in page 4, it's "She let me ate her with a smile".

"I think I'd rather eat you so we could become zombies together"

Peak romanticism

I'm not sure why you'd eat the one becoming a zombie, wouldn't you rather become a zombie first?

Cause it's an error, i checked the french translation and somehow here they change sense for some reason (mistake ?).

In french Saori said she would let Shizuku bite her so they can be zombies together more precisely "so we can stay together" and in page 4, it's "She let me ate her with a smile".

Makes more sense. I'm not sure what I expected, given the translator's usual quality.

The siscon runs in the blood..

Oh hey a new profile icon haha

How the turntables

I'm not sure why you'd eat the one becoming a zombie, wouldn't you rather become a zombie first?

Cause it's an error, i checked the french translation and somehow here they change sense for some reason (mistake ?).

In french Saori said she would let Shizuku bite her so they can be zombies together more precisely "so we can stay together" and in page 4, it's "She let me ate her with a smile".

I'm going with Windyfall's translation, if anything because it's funnier (and I can really picture Saori doing it, it's so fitting).

Would die for Saori and Shizuku, they are too hilarious together xD

Also, Shizuku letting Saori borrow her clothes?! so cute.

cute zombie couple

Cute.

I'm not sure why you'd eat the one becoming a zombie, wouldn't you rather become a zombie first?

Cause it's an error, i checked the french translation and somehow here they change sense for some reason (mistake ?).

In french Saori said she would let Shizuku bite her so they can be zombies together more precisely "so we can stay together" and in page 4, it's "She let me ate her with a smile".

I'm going with Windyfall's translation, if anything because it's funnier (and I can really picture Saori doing it, it's so fitting).

I prefer Windyfall's translation too for the same reason.

I looked up the raws and the original dialogue is:
Shizuku: "もし私がゾンビになったらお前が真っ先に殺してくれそうだな"
If I became a zombie, You'd kill me first.
Saori: "殺すより食べて一緒にゾンビになるもん"
(I)* think (I'd) rather eat (you) so we could become zombies together
Shizuku: "あいつは笑いながら食べた"
She ate (me) while smiling.
* The () are to indicate what was inferred based on context.

I think the discrepancy between the French and English translation is because in Saori's dialogue both the subject and the object is inferred from context (which Japanese tends to do), so I would actually say Windyfall's translation is more accurate to the original dialogue even if that isn't how people normally turn into zombies. Since this is Saori, this is way more her type of cute romance, since she likes to show her overwhelming dominance and all.

I'm not sure why you'd eat the one becoming a zombie, wouldn't you rather become a zombie first?

Cause it's an error, i checked the french translation and somehow here they change sense for some reason (mistake ?).

In french Saori said she would let Shizuku bite her so they can be zombies together more precisely "so we can stay together" and in page 4, it's "She let me ate her with a smile".

Makes more sense. I'm not sure what I expected, given the translator's usual quality.

I checked the original too, and Windyfall's translation is accurate.

The French translator probably "fixed" the dialogue for it to make more sense, but it's really:

• Saori says she would eat Shizuku, so they can be zombies together
• Shizuku dreams that she had become a zombie and that Saori ate her while smiling.

"eating her" sounds odd, because it's not how you usually get zombified, but it's because you're supposed to run away from zombies. Saori would seek out Shizuku and "eat" some part of her to become a zombie (and not wait passively to be biten).

So this time, Windyfall is correct.

I'm not sure why you'd eat the one becoming a zombie, wouldn't you rather become a zombie first?

Cause it's an error, i checked the french translation and somehow here they change sense for some reason (mistake ?).

In french Saori said she would let Shizuku bite her so they can be zombies together more precisely "so we can stay together" and in page 4, it's "She let me ate her with a smile".

Makes more sense. I'm not sure what I expected, given the translator's usual quality.

I checked the original too, and Windyfall's translation is accurate.

The French translator probably "fixed" the dialogue for it to make more sense, but it's really:

• Saori says she would eat Shizuku, so they can be zombies together
• Shizuku dreams that she had become a zombie and that Saori ate her while smiling.

"eating her" sounds odd, because it's not how you usually get zombified, but it's because you're supposed to run away from zombies. Saori would seek out Shizuku and "eat" some part of her to become a zombie (and not wait passively to be biten).

So this time, Windyfall is correct.

I stick with the one making sense.

I'm not sure why you'd eat the one becoming a zombie, wouldn't you rather become a zombie first?

Cause it's an error, i checked the french translation and somehow here they change sense for some reason (mistake ?).

In french Saori said she would let Shizuku bite her so they can be zombies together more precisely "so we can stay together" and in page 4, it's "She let me ate her with a smile".

Makes more sense. I'm not sure what I expected, given the translator's usual quality.

I checked the original too, and Windyfall's translation is accurate.

The French translator probably "fixed" the dialogue for it to make more sense, but it's really:

• Saori says she would eat Shizuku, so they can be zombies together
• Shizuku dreams that she had become a zombie and that Saori ate her while smiling.

"eating her" sounds odd, because it's not how you usually get zombified, but it's because you're supposed to run away from zombies. Saori would seek out Shizuku and "eat" some part of her to become a zombie (and not wait passively to be biten).

So this time, Windyfall is correct.

I stick with the one making sense.

The problem is that it changes completely the dynamics of the relationship.

It's Shizuku's dream. That Saori would let Shizuku eat her with a smile doesn't make sense.

It's Shizuku who gets eaten by Saori and "doesn't feel that bad" about it.

On a symbolic level, it says it all about their relationship.

I'm not sure why you'd eat the one becoming a zombie, wouldn't you rather become a zombie first?

Cause it's an error, i checked the french translation and somehow here they change sense for some reason (mistake ?).

In french Saori said she would let Shizuku bite her so they can be zombies together more precisely "so we can stay together" and in page 4, it's "She let me ate her with a smile".

Makes more sense. I'm not sure what I expected, given the translator's usual quality.

I checked the original too, and Windyfall's translation is accurate.

The French translator probably "fixed" the dialogue for it to make more sense, but it's really:

• Saori says she would eat Shizuku, so they can be zombies together
• Shizuku dreams that she had become a zombie and that Saori ate her while smiling.

"eating her" sounds odd, because it's not how you usually get zombified, but it's because you're supposed to run away from zombies. Saori would seek out Shizuku and "eat" some part of her to become a zombie (and not wait passively to be biten).

So this time, Windyfall is correct.

I stick with the one making sense.

The problem is that it changes completely the dynamics of the relationship.

It's Shizuku's dream. That Saori would let Shizuku eat her with a smile doesn't make sense.

It's Shizuku who gets eaten by Saori and "doesn't feel that bad" about it.

On a symbolic level, it says it all about their relationship.

You talk to someone who don't understand dynamic and honestly this chapter will probably never been referenced again by the character so.
Also i prefer logic over power dynamic for that specific situation.

The most rigorous logic and adherence to verisimilitude must always be followed in regard to [checks notes] the mechanics of turning into a zombie.

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I don't know why you feel the need to be sarcastic here.

I don't know what the point and i frankly don't care so moving on.