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Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

All I know is that, this could've been a classic.

As far as I'm considered, it is.

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joined Apr 9, 2014

All my not lizard feels!! I really liked the ending. Salamanders will have a different meaning from now on to me.

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joined Apr 27, 2014

Awww no kiss, well this was a nice piece of subtext. I would had liked to see more actual yuri, I didn't know about the tweet or anything, I understand one can interpret the story as one wants, I prefer more defined stuff, but the art was nice so I kept reading.

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I wish it would confirm their feelings for each other, but this was an amazing series. I’m glad it got such a good ending.

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Setting aside my dismay at the non-yuri ending, this series was amazing and I am so glad I got to experience this. My thanks to the mangaka (who won't see this) and to the translaters (AKA the real MVPs).

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joined Nov 3, 2018

My thanks to the mangaka (who won't see this)

Go thank her on her twitter, she reads English messages too!

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joined May 20, 2013

All I know is that, this could've been a classic.

Oh it is a classic.

Like Stretch.

joined Mar 29, 2019

So sad to think of what this manga could've been. The opening chapters had the making of an utter classic, and then it just utterly derailed. I could feel the bitter, painful unenjoyableness in finishing this series. These last pages felt soulless.

We all know they were supposed to have feelings for each other, but that wasn't explored at all. The story unnaturally twisted itself into pretzels to avoid the obvious truth. It was truly weird, like the really old stories of the before-LGBT times that know they're stories about sexuality but try to normalize it in a heteronormative world. It was so cloistered.

This felt like a couple steps back. I'm saddened because I knew this chapter was coming--where they meet in Tokyo again, but even still they can't express how important they are to each other. Like something beautiful snuffed out in the womb.

This awkward fish-salamander talk is excruciating, I want to cry at how closeted this series got.

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joined Dec 16, 2014

8/10. Good but not great.

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Did they finally pulled the trigger? And it took ONLY 34 chapters? Well, we finally have some confirmation on Konatsu-chan and Koyuki's friendship status, personally speaking I never doubted for a sec. Also, Makoto-sensei waited 34 chapters to introduce this story's most interesting character, Saya-sama is gonna be missed, hugely. on a more serious note, this could have been a great story, apart from that stupid drama that never made a lick of sense, development and character-wise, I mean what you trying to hide, sensei, they're friends as heck, anyway, I like Makoto-sensei, but I'm sure as hell not be following her next story, especially after that little preview.

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joined Sep 8, 2019

Did they finally pulled the trigger? And it took ONLY 34 chapters? Well, we finally have some confirmation on Konatsu-chan and Koyuki's friendship status, personally speaking I never doubted for a sec. Also, Makoto-sensei waited 34 chapters to introduce this story's most interesting character, Saya-sama is gonna be missed, hugely. on a more serious note, this could have been a great story, apart from that stupid drama that never made a lick of sense, development and character-wise, I mean what you trying to hide, sensei, they're friends as heck, anyway, I like Makoto-sensei, but I'm sure as hell not be following her next story, especially after that little preview.

Well, I'll be following which depends on how the story goes.
Though, I will be trashing it right in 1st chapter if I found it perfectly predictable.

This manga used to has good pacing in the first half, Not sure what happened in 2nd half with the characters exaggerating these dramas and angst for 2-3 volumes.
welp, one of this year greatest disappointment and pretty much predictable right after author say "it's not yuri".

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joined Jan 6, 2015

I have to admit that the constant unrelatable angst in the middle pretty much killed my enthusiasm for this one, and it ended about how I expected. Oh well.

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Did they finally pulled the trigger? And it took ONLY 34 chapters? Well, we finally have some confirmation on Konatsu-chan and Koyuki's friendship status, personally speaking I never doubted for a sec. Also, Makoto-sensei waited 34 chapters to introduce this story's most interesting character, Saya-sama is gonna be missed, hugely. on a more serious note, this could have been a great story, apart from that stupid drama that never made a lick of sense, development and character-wise, I mean what you trying to hide, sensei, they're friends as heck, anyway, I like Makoto-sensei, but I'm sure as hell not be following her next story, especially after that little preview.

Well, I'll be following which depends on how the story goes.
Though, I will be trashing it right in 1st chapter if I found it perfectly predictable.

This manga used to has good pacing in the first half, Not sure what happened in 2nd half with the characters exaggerating these dramas and angst for 2-3 volumes.
welp, one of this year greatest disappointment and pretty much predictable right after author say "it's not yuri".

Guessing it had to do with the manga actually being used to advertise the small town where it was based, like another commentor predicted a while back. Can’t be too gay o4 you’ll scare off tourists

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joined May 23, 2015

Did they finally pulled the trigger? And it took ONLY 34 chapters? Well, we finally have some confirmation on Konatsu-chan and Koyuki's friendship status, personally speaking I never doubted for a sec. Also, Makoto-sensei waited 34 chapters to introduce this story's most interesting character, Saya-sama is gonna be missed, hugely. on a more serious note, this could have been a great story, apart from that stupid drama that never made a lick of sense, development and character-wise, I mean what you trying to hide, sensei, they're friends as heck, anyway, I like Makoto-sensei, but I'm sure as hell not be following her next story, especially after that little preview.

Well, I'll be following which depends on how the story goes.
Though, I will be trashing it right in 1st chapter if I found it perfectly predictable.

This manga used to has good pacing in the first half, Not sure what happened in 2nd half with the characters exaggerating these dramas and angst for 2-3 volumes.
welp, one of this year greatest disappointment and pretty much predictable right after author say "it's not yuri".

I think part of why it feels like the second half has odd pacing is something along the lines of it seeming like they got told to tone down the subtext at some point thereabouts.
Gotta admit the whole little brother falling in love around the same time just made it feel even more gritting for me.
All that "these girls are oozing so much gay, how can you call it subtext" in the first half, and then in the second half it's all "oh yeah, subtext at best" kind of feelings really did not make it satisfying to read the second half.
I'm just repeating myself, but it really really feels like they got told to tone it down harshly in the second half.

joined Jul 27, 2020

Guessing it had to do with the manga actually being used to advertise the small town where it was based, like another commentor predicted a while back. Can’t be too gay o4 you’ll scare off tourists

Well yes, Hanigare was used to promote Nagahama tourism, high school's campaign (this won an award), and mentioned in local NHK twice or thrice. The town is literally nowhere in Japan, so the people might be not as open minded about homosexual relationship as people that comes from, let's say, Tokyo. Imagine if you find out that someone used your town as a setting of a story that might upset you...

Also, Hanigare always put Nagahama High School Aquarium Club in every chapter as Information Aid, and I don't think they'd be happy if they're helping a blatant gay manga.

Hagino-sensei only wrote the gayest thing possible without upsetting those people.

joined Jul 17, 2019

#SUBTEXT

I am going insane. Kiss already.

I have descended into just full-on frothing blood.

For all the potential reasons for this ending it's just frustrating and disappointing. It feels just full of loose ends. Incapable of paying off on its own dramatic hooks. I really enjoyed those dramatic hooks, and I didn't really entirely expect it to get past subtext, but... we could've gotten more than this.

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joined Feb 10, 2016

I used to love this manga in its first few chapters, then it boiled down into aaaaangst, then lost all the yuri magic. Meh ending.

joined Dec 8, 2019

So sad to think of what this manga could've been. The opening chapters had the making of an utter classic, and then it just utterly derailed. I could feel the bitter, painful unenjoyableness in finishing this series. These last pages felt soulless.

We all know they were supposed to have feelings for each other, but that wasn't explored at all. The story unnaturally twisted itself into pretzels to avoid the obvious truth. It was truly weird, like the really old stories of the before-LGBT times that know they're stories about sexuality but try to normalize it in a heteronormative world. It was so cloistered.

This felt like a couple steps back. I'm saddened because I knew this chapter was coming--where they meet in Tokyo again, but even still they can't express how important they are to each other. Like something beautiful snuffed out in the womb.

This awkward fish-salamander talk is excruciating, I want to cry at how closeted this series got.

This is 100% what I felt about the series. I dropped it when the author confirmed it wasn't yuri on Twitter, and I can't imagine having stuck it out to the bitter end for this. If the author wanted to write about two girls who have a special connection that fit comfortably outside of the dichotomy between the romantic and the platonic, I'd have been here for it. I might even have called it progressive for highlighting an unconventional type of relationship -- this is one reason I actually liked Maria-sama ga Miteru a lot. But, unlike in Maria-sama, the author seemed to go out of her way to make me feel that the characters were, in fact, in love with each other, and were restrained from actualizing their love simply because they had the misfortune of being characters in this particular story. So we're left with a story about two lesbians doomed to eternal longing and celibacy. It feels incredibly regressive.

It was so good in the beginning. What squandered potential.

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My thanks to the mangaka (who won't see this)

Go thank her on her twitter, she reads English messages too!

Oh, then I'll get to it.

TifalovesAerith
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Well yes, Hanigare was used to promote Nagahama tourism, high school's campaign (this won an award), and mentioned in local NHK twice or thrice.

Oh definitely a situation where author not only had to change the direction but make it more "reasonable for their intended hetero audience" by featuring the super-forced "romance" between Kaede and Koyuki's stupid brother (which I legit skipped it, by the way), really a bummer, unlike many here, I never expected this to be yuri, but the amount of angst is unbecoming, especially if they are meant to be portrayed only as friends, there were many routes one could actually had achived an reasonable portrayal of such, the angst definitely left a sour taste in everyone's mouths, whether or not she'll venture into "yuri" again, let's hope she got the message and make it smoother going forward on whatever story she might come up in the future.

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BeanBeanKingdom
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I wish I had the energy to rebuke some of these silly if not malicious assumptions, but it's been like talking to a wall the last few times so I'll just leave people to their own devices, unfortunate as they might be.

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We seem to have lost one of the best posts I've ever read in this forum thread.

Very sorry to see it gone.

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Barddoniaeth posted:

Well yes, Hanigare was used to promote Nagahama tourism, high school's campaign (this won an award), and mentioned in local NHK twice or thrice. The town is literally nowhere in Japan, so the people might be not as open minded about homosexual relationship as people that comes from, let's say, Tokyo. Imagine if you find out that someone used your town as a setting of a story that might upset you...

Also, Hanigare always put Nagahama High School Aquarium Club in every chapter as Information Aid, and I don't think they'd be happy if they're helping a blatant gay manga.

Hagino-sensei only wrote the gayest thing possible without upsetting those people.

This was a super interesting comment, thank you for making it.

BeanBeanKingdom posted:

I wish I had the energy to rebuke some of these silly if not malicious assumptions, but it's been like talking to a wall the last few times so I'll just leave people to their own devices, unfortunate as they might be.

Thanks. That said, I do have something to say.

There's some stuff in this comment section that rings rather false to me, so I'd like to share a bit about Makoto Hagino that others here may not know. Hagino made her way drawing explicitly homosexual doujinshi for years prior to this being published. She has in the past repeatedly expressed joy and feelings of fulfillment at having drawn GL. She is (or was?) a well-known yuri fan. She's been very consistent that their relationship is not meant to be one so easily-read, and that she is drawing the exact story that she wants to. If this story was "supposed" to be about explicit GL, I firmly believe that she would've done an excellent job making that a reality.

Something that fewer people will know is that she has also given great insight within the past few years, in since-removed YT videos (wonder why those were removed?), of her own feelings of loneliness and alienation from city life. She's spoken of the difficulties of moving to a new place. Of not forming close bonds with other people. Of missing opportunities long-since passed and people she's not ever likely to connect with again. There's a line in one of those videos that goes something like, "No matter where I go I never stand out much, and I always end up alone."

I feel like some of us are jumping to come up with explanations as to why it wasn't the Yuri story we wanted. Maybe what she wanted to draw was a manga that reflected her life experiences, and perhaps depicted the relationship - of whatever form you wish to perceive this as - that she always wanted? Yeah, as mentioned, there actually are plenty of women who for whatever reason find their soulmate to simply be what the outside world would call "a friend." A lot of those relationships probably do read as romance to outsiders. (Note this down doubly for Japan, where very strong / "romantic" friendships between women are a known phenomenon.)

I don't know what manga Hagino wanted to draw, but I find a lot of the doubts expressed throughout the entire thread to be really concerning. I don't believe it should be so hard to imagine that other people might see the world differently, and want different things out of it, than we might. Of course it should be obvious I am a fan of hers and this is someone I'm willing to go bat for. I certainly view this story with added context that others may not have. Still, I don't think one should require extra context to simply accept and believe what's being presented as it is.

Blastaar posted:

We seem to have lost one of the best posts I've ever read in this forum thread.

Very sorry to see it gone.

If you meant mine, thanks, I'm flattered. It was too confrontational before, bad habit of posting before settling a bit.

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