It's just annoying.
Like bro i read Yuri for "girl × girl" shit.
If i want to read a girl getting dicked down, i would just read straight porn.

There ain't a lot of Yuri that keeps it at clamjammin' (just finding Yuri that keeps it purely girl on girl is already hard enough, looking at you NHentai with the like 30.000 doujins being tagged Yuri with only about 9.000 being "females only" and only half of them not including some gross shit)
So this just dissapointed me a bit. No need to bring real life shit into it, we have the right be picky. Just as the author has the right to ruin this.

I personally really don't understand this logic. I don't see Yuri with toys/strap-ons as anything but Yuri, and I don't see it as hetero in anyway so I wouldn't go read hetero instead. Also straps in art are interesting to me because they're not super common in my experience, and they can be really intricately designed with a lot of detail and effort.

They literally described it as "fat dicks" how could i not see it as hetero/bi you-know-what-i-mean shit?

And wdym intricately designed? They're just rubber dicks with sometimes something like bulbs on it.

Because it's still two women regardless of wording. Also with straps the entire harness and design can be extremely detailed, plus making the entire harness look right with things like scale and perspective in art isn't easy. It's why it's pretty uncommon to see.

But the women are still basically getting dicked down though am i wrong? If i as a dude took a dildo up my ass and even when it was not done by a man liked it, would i still be able to call myself straight? The answer is no and y'know why? Because although a woman put it in there, i still just took a rubber version of a dude's reproductive organ up my ass and enjoyed it. And idk where you've been, but bro shit like dildo's and strap-ons (tentacles too which ain't the same but we know what they substitute) is like everywhere. I wish it was uncommon.

Bro/Sis? Chill the f out. You can like girls and girls exclusively but still like penis shaped objects. Take this from a lesbian that likes dildo and strap play and still have 0 attraction to men (and yes, during sex it can be refered to as dick but it still doesn't mean I or anyone else like the real thing).

I have no hate to trans women, but uhm yes that does make it less girl x girl. Even lesbians say so, ain't there that whole controversy with the "not allowing trans people in gay bars" thing?

Ahahaha yooooo get that TERF shit outta here. That's not even really related to this topic, just, no, absolutely not.

And as for the topic at hand, like... I really don't think you're allowed to really state what makes something "less lesbian" if you are not, in fact, a lesbian. Do not speak for lesbians or sapphic peoples. On the subject of toys, or on trans women for that matter. It's really not that hard.

We should prolly nip this argument in the bud.

Adding to this, I don't think someone should speak for everyone, even if they are the same sexuality, race, etc. It leads to gate keeping and shaming. That's the last thing I'll say, because as you said we should nip it in the bud.

Look i'm not speaking for anyone nor am i trying to be disrespectful in any way, but you can see the point i'm trying to make right? And i mean and this is a legit question of mine, but if a lesbian goes out with a trans woman. Doesn't that make her a pansexual instead? Don't flame me, but this shit is just so confusing to me.

It's just annoying.
Like bro i read Yuri for "girl × girl" shit.
If i want to read a girl getting dicked down, i would just read straight porn.

There ain't a lot of Yuri that keeps it at clamjammin' (just finding Yuri that keeps it purely girl on girl is already hard enough, looking at you NHentai with the like 30.000 doujins being tagged Yuri with only about 9.000 being "females only" and only half of them not including some gross shit)
So this just dissapointed me a bit. No need to bring real life shit into it, we have the right be picky. Just as the author has the right to ruin this.

I personally really don't understand this logic. I don't see Yuri with toys/strap-ons as anything but Yuri, and I don't see it as hetero in anyway so I wouldn't go read hetero instead. Also straps in art are interesting to me because they're not super common in my experience, and they can be really intricately designed with a lot of detail and effort.

They literally described it as "fat dicks" how could i not see it as hetero/bi you-know-what-i-mean shit?

And wdym intricately designed? They're just rubber dicks with sometimes something like bulbs on it.

Because it's still two women regardless of wording. Also with straps the entire harness and design can be extremely detailed, plus making the entire harness look right with things like scale and perspective in art isn't easy. It's why it's pretty uncommon to see.

But the women are still basically getting dicked down though am i wrong? If i as a dude took a dildo up my ass and even when it was not done by a man liked it, would i still be able to call myself straight? The answer is no and y'know why? Because although a woman put it in there, i still just took a rubber version of a dude's reproductive organ up my ass and enjoyed it. And idk where you've been, but bro shit like dildo's and strap-ons (tentacles too which ain't the same but we know what they substitute) is like everywhere. I wish it was uncommon.

Bro/Sis? Chill the f out. You can like girls and girls exclusively but still like penis shaped objects. Take this from a lesbian that likes dildo and strap play and still have 0 attraction to men (and yes, during sex it can be refered to as dick but it still doesn't mean I or anyone else like the real thing).

You can do whatever you want, all i tried to say is how toys can ruin shit like this to some people (like me)

Look i'm not speaking for anyone nor am i trying to be disrespectful in any way, but you can see the point i'm trying to make right? And i mean and this is a legit question of mine, but if a lesbian goes out with a trans woman. Doesn't that make her a pansexual instead? Don't flame me, but this shit is just so confusing to me.

If mods yell at me for derailing this or something, sorry, I'll just try to answer this politely in a way that's easier to understand.

No, a lesbian dating trans woman does not suddenly make her not a lesbian. There are a few reasons for this. First and most importantly, nothing changes your own personal identity. If you identify as a lesbian, that's what you are.

Secondly, trans women are women. This is a simple fact of life, and if you don't agree with it I really don't know what else to tell you, cause its true. Trans women are the women they identify as. So, a trans woman is a woman. Let's say there's a lesbian, and they're only attracted to women. But they're attracted to this trans woman! Well, they're attracted to a trans woman, who is a woman, so yes, they're a lesbian. Contents of the pants need not necessarily apply. There are always preferences, many people are not attracted to actual dicks, and that's fine, but that doesn't invalidate anyone if they are into it.

This is extremely simplified but I'm doing by best here. I'll speak no more on the matter because it doesn't belong here lol if you're curious about trans stuff take it up with trans women, POLITELY, elsewhere. It's important to try to learn, and NOT attack people's identities.

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What. The. FUCK. This chapter was legit repulsive

Fuck this shit I'm out

Look i'm not speaking for anyone nor am i trying to be disrespectful in any way, but you can see the point i'm trying to make right? And i mean and this is a legit question of mine, but if a lesbian goes out with a trans woman. Doesn't that make her a pansexual instead? Don't flame me, but this shit is just so confusing to me.

If mods yell at me for derailing this or something, sorry, I'll just try to answer this politely in a way that's easier to understand.

No, a lesbian dating trans woman does not suddenly make her not a lesbian. There are a few reasons for this. First and most importantly, nothing changes your own personal identity. If you identify as a lesbian, that's what you are.

Secondly, trans women are women. This is a simple fact of life, and if you don't agree with it I really don't know what else to tell you, cause its true. Trans women are the women they identify as. So, a trans woman is a woman. Let's say there's a lesbian, and they're only attracted to women. But they're attracted to this trans woman! Well, they're attracted to a trans woman, who is a woman, so yes, they're a lesbian. Contents of the pants need not necessarily apply. There are always preferences, many people are not attracted to actual dicks, and that's fine, but that doesn't invalidate anyone if they are into it.

This is extremely simplified but I'm doing by best here. I'll speak no more on the matter because it doesn't belong here lol if you're curious about trans stuff take it up with trans women, POLITELY, elsewhere. It's important to try to learn, and NOT attack people's identities.

Aight, thanks for trying to explain it to me. I still can't really wrap my head around it, but i'll stop now because i'm sounding kinda toxic which i didn't really want to.
The story is still ruined for me though

It's just annoying.
Like bro i read Yuri for "girl × girl" shit.
If i want to read a girl getting dicked down, i would just read straight porn.

There ain't a lot of Yuri that keeps it at clamjammin' (just finding Yuri that keeps it purely girl on girl is already hard enough, looking at you NHentai with the like 30.000 doujins being tagged Yuri with only about 9.000 being "females only" and only half of them not including some gross shit)
So this just dissapointed me a bit. No need to bring real life shit into it, we have the right be picky. Just as the author has the right to ruin this.

I personally really don't understand this logic. I don't see Yuri with toys/strap-ons as anything but Yuri, and I don't see it as hetero in anyway so I wouldn't go read hetero instead. Also straps in art are interesting to me because they're not super common in my experience, and they can be really intricately designed with a lot of detail and effort.

They literally described it as "fat dicks" how could i not see it as hetero/bi you-know-what-i-mean shit?

And wdym intricately designed? They're just rubber dicks with sometimes something like bulbs on it.

Because it's still two women regardless of wording. Also with straps the entire harness and design can be extremely detailed, plus making the entire harness look right with things like scale and perspective in art isn't easy. It's why it's pretty uncommon to see.

But the women are still basically getting dicked down though am i wrong? If i as a dude took a dildo up my ass and even when it was not done by a man liked it, would i still be able to call myself straight? The answer is no and y'know why? Because although a woman put it in there, i still just took a rubber version of a dude's reproductive organ up my ass and enjoyed it. And idk where you've been, but bro shit like dildo's and strap-ons (tentacles too which ain't the same but we know what they substitute) is like everywhere. I wish it was uncommon.

See ya. Don't come back.

lmao this chapter kinda whack. Satoko kinda setting herself up by saying she has only loved Masumi, and Masumi being so insecure about her previous lover.

See ya. Don't come back.

We love to see it.

Terrible chapter, hope that was the only rape chapter

Ah yes, revenge rape. Ah yes, the victim is the one to blame. As much as I despise rape of any nature, it's not uncommon seeing it happening in a daily basis. And as much as I agree it was kind of a downside in the plot, maybe it was intentional. Titiduki is not the first, nor will be the last, author to use this kind of situation as an excuse to say that "there is a plot beneath this all."

Of course it's awful seeing a scene of rape, and even more worse to see the victim being blamed (by themselves and/or others). I'm not dropping this series because of this one scene (I hope it was the first and last one), but I truly wish Satoko and Masumi come clean to each other.

Maybe I'm asking too much of this hentai, but I still wish Titiduki won't get this derailed. Maybe a drama arc comes as a fresh start in this series, who knows.

Ah yes, revenge rape. Ah yes, the victim is the one to blame. As much as I despise rape of any nature, it's not uncommon seeing it happening in a daily basis. And as much as I agree it was kind of a downside in the plot, maybe it was intentional. Titiduki is not the first, nor will be the last, author to use this kind of situation as an excuse to say that "there is a plot beneath this all."

Of course it's awful seeing a scene of rape, and even more worse to see the victim being blamed (by themselves and/or others). I'm not dropping this series because of this one scene (I hope it was the first and last one), but I truly wish Satoko and Masumi come clean to each other.

Maybe I'm asking too much of this hentai, but I still wish Titiduki won't get this derailed. Maybe a drama arc comes as a fresh start in this series, who knows.

Yeah I'm still curious how it'll all turn out.

Holy moly

great googly moogly

50 comments in just a day! This chapter was really something to talk about

uhhh lol. <-----well, reading through these comments..im glad im not the only one who thought that was kinda fucked up for our MC :/

man, mid-sex dialogue in manga..never ceases to make me laugh.

edit2: oh--and we're really shown just how much of a high schooler this girl is with her perceptions of relationships she was spewing here...but honestly, it goes beyond that--shes all sorts of confused.

last edited at Mar 20, 2021 12:37AM

I'm here for the (in-manga) drama. I love the lewd details but I don't read stuff on this site to get off, so I'm mostly indifferent to the lewd stuff. Now there's more weight to what they do. How will it turn out??

Moderator Note

Yeah, the discussion of sexuality has gone on plenty long enough...well over a page ago, I think. I understand that many folks want to chime in for various reasons, but this is really not the appropriate place. Let's not discuss it further. If you wish to continue on the nuances of sexuality and eroticism, you may do so in the Cafe. This thread will be purged of off-topic comments in the near future. I would ask that nobody remove their post in the meantime (simply for archival purposes). Any further posts on this topic will be removed, and offenders addressed as deemed fit.

Moderator Note 2

For the record, allahgeprezen was banned for homophobia, transphobia, and an inability to state ideas in a more sensitive manner. We do not welcome the essentialization of sexuality such that it may be boiled down to a preference, or lack thereof for hard, bent objects. These views are damaging not just to the LGBT+ community, but anyone interested in personal sexual exploration.

We have no intention of carrying out blanket bans or condemnation of anyone's sexual or pornographic preferences, but please note Rule 10:

Tags are meant to inform users so that they may interact with works that appeal to them, and avoid those which do not. If your comment on a given work could be summed up as a comment on the tag itself, please avoid making the comment. Repeat offenders may be disciplined as necessary.

This rule surely applies to every comment specifically about Toys. I would highly suggest heeding this rule for all future posting. That said, I would also suggest that gatekeeping media over pornographic and sexual preferences borders on a violation of rule 1. It's not cool when it happens, regardless of which direction it goes.

Edit some hours later:

Moderator Note 3

Thread has been cleaned. Thank you, take care.

last edited at Mar 20, 2021 11:30AM

...sooooo, back to the manga at hand... this is was a pretty brutal chapter, wasn't it? They are really reaping the results of their poor boundaries. I'm really glad they pointed out how cruel Masumi is being--thanks to her inability to face her emotions, she's basically using Satoko's desperation and heartbreak for sex without accepting the responsibility of committing... and Satoko really, really drops the ball here. It's like the author is giving in-universe consequences for what we previously thought was just hentai plot contrivance: this weird relationship based on Satoko pushing Masumi's boundaries to get sex and Masumi not taking a stand one way or another has realistic results. And the whole part about the "even though you were saying no" seems like a critique of the hentai trope of the character saying "no" just for the aesthetic and removal of responsibility for engaging in sex.

...y'all, could this story be evolving into something much greater? It looks like it's switching from (really well done) trope-y porn, to a critique of those tropes and what they actually mean in the real world. This is getting so interesting.

last edited at Mar 20, 2021 3:44AM

...y'all, could this story be evolving into something much greater? It looks like it's switching from (really well done) trope-y porn, to a critique of those tropes and what they actually mean in the real world. This is getting so interesting.

This is my only wish for this series, because until now we only had porn after porn, as a typical porn manga (or hentai, whichever term you prefer) has.

Oof. Not that it wasnt fucked up before but now we deal with abuse and sexual assault. Author seems to be adressing the problems somewhat which is unusual in manga.

...y'all, could this story be evolving into something much greater? It looks like it's switching from (really well done) trope-y porn, to a critique of those tropes and what they actually mean in the real world. This is getting so interesting.

Couldn't agree more. I'm really excited to see how this pans out.

Wich "no" means yes, and wich "no" means no?
Masumi always said "no" but, looks like, that her previous "no" mean yes. She even says that Satoko never did anything that she don't like, but she always said "no". Where's the boundary? How Satoko gonna know when she has to stop?
On the other hand, i don't really get this manga's "agresive sex full of feelings" cliche. I don't know if Masumi feels bad for Satoko's attack, she's just feeling jealous for her ex, or if she's feeling guilty for being comfortable with the "no but yes" sex and her "I'm not gay" position, without paying attention on Satoko's feelings.
I'm very unconfortable right now. I need answers!!

last edited at Mar 20, 2021 7:12AM

mmmgmmggg....

woah! Satoko's ex??!! and damn, she went hard on Masumi without the toys.