Is the senpai a heteronoromative queer? Seems like it to me, but still checking for others' thoughts.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/hana_ni_arashi_ch48#last
I want to know who are they? Any ideas

It reminds me of Kotone from Fukakai na Boku no Subete o. Sure she was scared of breaking the "norm" and it's sad, but it doesn't justify what she put Chidori through. Also I was pretty much right thinking Igarashi was serious, but thought idea of 2 girls dating was impossible. Hence her reacting with shock to "revelation" that Chidori and Nanoha are dating despite being 2 girls.

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"why did she reject me before giving me the opportunity to reject her first" lol

"...[Chidori's] heartfelt feelings..."
"....just wanted to tease her, to have some fun....."
"...to think she'd hate me that much..."

HEY, IGGY!!! SELF-REFLECTION IS NOT YOUR STRONGEST SUIT!!!
*curses under her breath*

Yeah, I know, I was advocating for Igarashi's POV or some sort of explanation from her side... I guess, "be careful what you wish for"? Or, is it "yay, we got official confirmation she's a self-centered closet-gay"? Or was this still too short and superficial to make proper judgement? ((That tear, tho... it has feelings...))

Do.NOT.fuck.with.Nanoha’s.Chidori.

And vice versa.

....Now I kinda hope Igarashi will return someday so Nanoha can resume from where Igarashi took the wind out of her sails and NanohaSmash™ her....

Ah, being biased towards kyoot widdle Chidori, and with the last happy kiss-chapter, this chapter came too soon for me to be more open-minded for Igarashi's case...

*found on Igarashi's i-pod*

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Also I was pretty much right thinking Igarashi was serious, but thought idea of 2 girls dating was impossible. Hence her reacting with shock to "revelation" that Chidori and Nanoha are dating despite being 2 girls.

The whole "not as friends" Valentine's choco thing casts big doubt on that, as in the context it's hard to read any meanings but romantic ones into it (without some truly tortuous mental gymnastics anyway); pretty sure by that point she'd already come around to the idea.

I hold that her shock at their bold declaration (and indeed entire behaviour thereafter) was essentially her fast-tracking through a few of the so-called "five stages of grief", notably the denial/bargaining phase as it fully dawned to her just how hopelessly and irrecoverably late she was and any faint hopes she still had regarding Chidori not so much "crashed and burned" as "blew up already on the tarmac". (The way she was more or less telling Nanoha to "be good to her" before leaving would be the acceptance stage - "at least I know she's in good hands" sort of thing.)

She wasn't serious. Having feelings for someone and thinking that she could act on it, but when the reality comes she goes "lol I was just messing with you" is different.

She wasn't serious. Having feelings for someone and thinking that she could act on it, but when the reality comes she goes "lol I was just messing with you" is different.

Um, actually... that happens a lot even for people who are serious; to chicken out when things get real, and covering up in false bravado. Doesn't mean their feelings weren't true, but their anxieties were truer.

Senpai got her just desserts.

She wasn't serious. Having feelings for someone and thinking that she could act on it, but when the reality comes she goes "lol I was just messing with you" is different.

Um, actually... that happens a lot even for people who are serious; to chicken out when things get real, and covering up in false bravado. Doesn't mean their feelings weren't true, but their anxieties were truer.

I didn't say her feelings weren't true. And it's understandable to chicken out. But what is not, is playing with the other person's feelings. And from how I see it in this story, she knew what she was doing. She was still calling her cute while knowing she likes her, and at the same time having a boyfriend.

If I'm reading the timeline correctly their relationship is pretty new at this point as well. If they got together a month after valentines, and this is the summer after that then they've gone out like a few months at most at this point. So I'm guessing this is where they too realized just how serious their relationship was.

I’m not quite following the argument. It’s true that Nanoha and Chidori confessed at the beginning of their second year of high school. Therefore, everything from the beginning of the series except the explicit flashbacks takes place during the spring and summer of their second year, and the last thing we see of them in the narrative present is the fireworks festival (i.e., still the summer break prior to the fall/winter terms of their second year).

So while it’s true that the period of time depicted is fairly short (March through July/August), I don’t get much sense that they are actually becoming more serious; it’s more that, partly impelled by circumstances, they’re expressing it (a bit) more openly.

She was still calling her cute while knowing she likes her, and at the same time having a boyfriend.

It’s still an open question what happened to Boyfriend-kun. He certainly does not seem to be positioned to assuage Igarashi’s heartbreak at her kouhai double-rejection.

Although technically wouldn’t that be triple rejection?

• Chidori “avoids her at school”
• The “stick your ‘not just friends’ chocolates up your ass” event
• This is my guardian, Nanoha, who will kill you

If I'm reading the timeline correctly their relationship is pretty new at this point as well. If they got together a month after valentines, and this is the summer after that then they've gone out like a few months at most at this point. So I'm guessing this is where they too realized just how serious their relationship was.

I’m not quite following the argument. It’s true that Nanoha and Chidori confessed at the beginning of their second year of high school. Therefore, everything from the beginning of the series except the explicit flashbacks takes place during the spring and summer of their second year, and the last thing we see of them in the narrative present is the fireworks festival (i.e., still the summer break prior to the fall/winter terms of their second year).

So while it’s true that the period of time depicted is fairly short (March through July/August), I don’t get much sense that they are actually becoming more serious; it’s more that, partly impelled by circumstances, they’re expressing it (a bit) more openly.

All I meant is that due to the short time that has passed they haven't really faced anything that would have shaken their relationship before this.

Senpai, you blatantly rejected her first and trampled on her feelings after toying with her heart. Are you seriously SURPRISED that that turned her against you? Every feeling of love she had for you was turned into pain.

You need more self-reflection, girl. It isn't that "she rejected you twice." You rejected her in a very harsh way, and after that she no longer wanted anything to do with you.

She appear late, unless she get a girlfriend is better she don´t appear anymore

All I meant is that due to the short time that has passed they haven't really faced anything that would have shaken their relationship before this.

Ah, I see. I thought you were suggesting a different timeline where some of the earlier chapters were subsequent to Igarashi’s return. My mistake.

(Actually, the two-ply vs one-ply toilet-paper disagreement was kind of a tough moment. Lol)

Ah, I see. I thought you were suggesting a different timeline where some of the earlier chapters were subsequent to Igarashi’s return. My mistake.

(Actually, the two-ply vs one-ply toilet-paper disagreement was kind of a tough moment. Lol)

Very true, most relationships do not survive that.

random posted:

Also I was pretty much right thinking Igarashi was serious, but thought idea of 2 girls dating was impossible. Hence her reacting with shock to "revelation" that Chidori and Nanoha are dating despite being 2 girls.

The whole "not as friends" Valentine's choco thing casts big doubt on that, as in the context it's hard to read any meanings but romantic ones into it (without some truly tortuous mental gymnastics anyway); pretty sure by that point she'd already come around to the idea.

I didn't say she didn't love her or wasn't able to act on those feelings. She was, but she also dated guys because it's "the norm" and felt scared of Chidori reciprocate her feelings, because according to society 2 girls don't date each other. She pushed Chidori away because she thought it was impossible by society standards.

I hold that her shock at their bold declaration (and indeed entire behaviour thereafter) was essentially her fast-tracking through a few of the so-called "five stages of grief", notably the denial/bargaining phase as it fully dawned to her just how hopelessly and irrecoverably late she was and any faint hopes she still had regarding Chidori not so much "crashed and burned" as "blew up already on the tarmac". (The way she was more or less telling Nanoha to "be good to her" before leaving would be the acceptance stage - "at least I know she's in good hands" sort of thing.)

That's pretty much what I was getting at. She thought dating Chidori wasn't a option, so despite having feelings for her and acting on them, she didn't think she could date her and was just content with "teasing" or whatever, because she thought that was the best she could hope for. And then when she saw Chidori dating another girl she was like "Wait on a second? I could do that the whole time? Well, shit." So yes, she realized both that she was wrong and that she lost chance to be with Chidori forever at the same time. As I said, it's sad she was too scared to challenge social norms and because of it never dated Chidori, but it doesn't justify her leading on Chidori to just keep rejecting her. Sad backstory doesn't excuse harming others because of your hang-ups. She crossed the line few times, so I get why most people want to see her burn, but I can at least understand why she acted that way and she did say sorry.

I didn't say her feelings weren't true.

Sorry for misreading then. I took the "She wasn't serious" as a statement. @_@

We can agree tho, that Igarashi's action spoke against her intent. Or at least, one should assume that if one likes/loves someone they would refrain from actively hurting them.... well, when they truly love someone, at least. In the most basic sense as "the unselfish loyal and benevolent concern for the good of another".

Yet, after the latest chapter and the insight gained from it, I'd say at least Igarashi, in her own mind, thought her love / affection was true.
She's wrong, by moral standards, of course. Her "love" and actions spoke more in the lines of obsession / possession. But, she was serious enough to still send those chocolates after being freaked out for "straying from the norm".

And from how I see it in this story, she knew what she was doing.

I am not so sure she knew what she was doing. As of now, I believe that she lacks that significant part of empathy; to even realize that Chidori's "heartfelt feelings" could get hurt by her 'teasing, having fun' and straight out crushing Chidori's feelings when confronted about her "nice guy who tells me he loves me" boyfriend.
Not knowing doesn't make it any better, of cos.
Being confused by one's own feelings and cultural/social indoctrination doesn't excuse hurting others over and over again. Especially with no remorse for the pain she caused but only crying when she feels the pain herself. And as said above, especially-especially hurting ones whom one supposedly has deep affections for.
The fact she didn't even consider that Chidori may be so hurt or fed up or strong enough to move on after being treated like this (and reject her for the 2nd/3rd time).... is not excusable. That is, unless next time she shows up she brings along a doctor's note attesting her to be a psychopath.
If not, then yeah, self-centered biatch may have not been aware but she's still a self-centered biatch.
And that last chapter did not make it any better. Tear or no tear. Hmpf.

And that last chapter did not make it any better. Tear or no tear. Hmpf.

I loved the ironic action-at-a-distance rhyming of the very end of the two latest chapters: in Chapter 48, Chidori’s rejection causes Igarashi’s tear; in Chapter 48.5, Chidori’s sleepy expression of love causes Nanoha’s sneeze.

And that Kaede expression at the end . . .

Yeah, Igarashi was not just evil, as some people suggested. She had her circumstances. She was just another useless (closeted) lesbian.

But then, I guess she got what she deserved.

And I hope it keeps hurting for a while, you cunt!

I don't feel bad for her, but, yeah, she's human. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

She thought dating Chidori wasn't a option, so despite having feelings for her and acting on them, she didn't think she could date her and was just content with "teasing" or whatever, because she thought that was the best she could hope for. And then when she saw Chidori dating another girl she was like "Wait on a second? I could do that the whole time? Well, shit."

Quick fact / chronology checking...

Igarashi had a "he tells me he loves me" boyfriend
then met Chidori and thought she's cute
Chidori liked her too
Igarashi remembered that 2 girls was "straying from the norm" and got frightened.
At some she point got confronted by Chidori about the boyfriend
and asked about "what was there between us?"
Igarashi pushes her away (tying into the stray-from-norm thingy).
Chidori avoids her for several months (and casts an eye on Nanoha, only friends though)
Igarashi sends chocolates and note "not just as friends"
but Chidori gives them back and shoots her down.
Chidori and Nanoha happens.
Igarashi returns and tries to meddle with Chidori (suddenly decides calling herself her ex-gf)
The Nanoha appears and proclaims her relationship with Chidori to Igarashi
Igarashi takes off.

...that kinda puts the chocolate event a little too inbetween things - with the chocolates being very much an attempt to rekindle their relationship, pull Chidori back and - as the note said - "not just as friends", and all.

After that Igarashi did nothing to implicate she still thought 2 girls dating was impossible - so I'd say random's argument that Igarashi's reaction wasn't about 2 girls (despite what she said) but grasping the fact she lost the game (or round) against Nanoha, seems valid.
I mean, in the last chapter both the returnage of chocolate as well as girlfriend-nanoha are in focus before she thinks about being "rejected" (of all word-choices) twice. Like, she really tried to relationship... It wasn't entirely out of question anymore.
((She still thought of Chidori as someone to tease (first), have fun and show affection to (second and third...), so... her definition of "not just as friends" relationship is still rather twisted. Maybe she never intented a loud and proud 2-girls-in-love relationship... but then, I wonder why she even threw the "ex-girlfriend" out there...))

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What the fuck sempai