even if it won't have a happy ending like them ending up together

We will see about that.

I don't rightly know I could go either way on the whole Kaoru x Uta thing
On the one hand I think that yeah, maybe Uta is better off going off alone and making her own way. She's been through some shit and she at least seems to have made peace with her feelings.
On the other hand I think maybe judging Kaoru's "Oh shit what have I done?" reaction she might start to rethink some of her ole bullshit and her feelings for Uta. The whole I didn't know what I had till it's gone kinda deal.

I don't rightly know I could go either way on the whole Kaoru x Uta thing
On the one hand I think that yeah, maybe Uta is better off going off alone and making her own way. She's been through some shit and she at least seems to have made peace with her feelings.
On the other hand I think maybe judging Kaoru's "Oh shit what have I done?" reaction she might start to rethink some of her ole bullshit and her feelings for Uta. The whole I didn't know what I had till it's gone kinda deal.

This can definitely happen, but at this point of the story it makes me wonder if that would be the best way to write about an "unrequited love" themed story.
Most stories out there have a happy ending, but at the same time I think we also need some of the more realistic ones that show things as they actually turn out to be instead of this fantasy protective veil that everything will turn out as you want in the end. And this story has been pretty faithful to this theme, as well as showing that Kaoru doesn't feel this way about Uta.

And this story has been pretty faithful to this theme, as well as showing that Kaoru doesn't feel this way about Uta.

I think the story has been kind of muddled about Kaoru's feelings towards Uta. Early on it was made very explicit that she felt a very deep and longstanding emotional connection (not to mention a remarkable desire for skinship) with Uta, one that was deeper and of longer-standing than the one she has with Reiichi. Their relationship came very close to the older woman being emotionally dependent on the younger one, and it seemed clear that those feelings could very possibly take a turn toward the romantic, and that to some extent they were already leaning in that direction.

The possibility (again, at one point it seemed like the near certainty) of Reiichi cheating also appeared that it might clear the decks for a transformation of the relationship between Uta and Kaoru. But that arc was almost literally stopped in mid-stream, when Kaoru sat down to confront Reiichi about it and then allowed the situation to evaporate after a phone call interruption.

Since then, and in the wake of Uta's confession, you're right, the story has made it clear that, insofar as Kaoru is aware of and honest about her own feelings, she doesn't seem to have any romantic/sexual feelings toward Uta. So either (as many here either think or hope) she is in deep denial about those feelings, or she was unwittingly sending some very unfortunate signals to Uta.

I think the story has been kind of muddled about Kaoru's feelings towards Uta. Early on it was made very explicit that she felt a very deep and longstanding emotional connection (not to mention a remarkable desire for skinship) with Uta, one that was deeper and of longer-standing than the one she has with Reiichi. Their relationship came very close to the older woman being emotionally dependent on the younger one, and it seemed clear that those feelings could very possibly take a turn toward the romantic, and that to some extent they were already leaning in that direction.

Well I guess that's another way to interpret her always hugging Uta. I still didn't see that as a sign of a romantic interest, although it can turn out to be the case.
I saw it more as a way to show one of the reasons why Uta developed romantic feelings for Kaoru and why it was hard for her to live with Kaoru, since the latter was always being so physical.

rofl lmao these credits are the best
the scene is so intense almost breathtaking and then these credits, just perfect

I actually want an ending where Uta accepts her feelings and moves on.

BUT WHAT OF KAORU DAMN IT ? I know people want Uta to move on but we clearly see the only thing she move is her from her brother house to her parents. She still isn't over her feelings, that's why she leave and what of Kaoru ? We let her alone and depressed ? I know Kaoru haven't done much things but that's not a reason to just focus on Uta because poor baby girl is brokenheart and can't face it.

Eh, Kaoru seems like she can hold her own, as long as she keeps on wishing for everything to go back to the way it used to be, plus it would be nice to see her grow as a character to and by that I mean facing problems head on like Uta does, heck she even tried doing that with Uta and it worked, Uta told her she loved her so I guess Kaoru's developing a bit(?)

You're right, Uta has a broken heart. That's why she's moving out, so she can get over Kaoru. She can face it, she's been facing it ever since Kaoru and Reiichi got married. If you're really concerned about Kaoru I guess once Uta gets over her she could go back to them. If anything her love brings her more pain than pleasure.

Also if Uta does get together with Kaoru, due to Reiichi cheating on her (if the story takes that kind of turn), I would feel very very very bad for Uta, Kaoru would just be plain using her to fill in the gap of her love for Reiichi since she's stated before that they give off the same vibe. Plus, Kaoru turned her down already. Her dening Kaoru in this chapter shows she's trying very hard to move on, and I think that's what she should do.

Maybe I'm just being dramatic but I guess if you had an unrequited love, you would understand that moving is the best option for Uta. This story hasn't been a fairytale up till now and I don't want the ending to be one either.

It is quite possible, that kaoru grows in personality thanks to his trials by releasing reii if he cheated on her, instead of forgiving her so that their marriage would hold for example... We see so much on almost all chapters the hand of kaoru with his wedding ring that a break-up with reii would finally free her... a symbol as knowing that uta really realized that she loved kaoru during the wedding....
That uta also by clarifying things with her parents, by being more in the same space that kaoru takes a step back on her love for her.
And that at the very end she finds herself soothed both of us and gets off on the right foot, it's quite possible.
For me in fact there are 2 possible scenarios between kaoru and uta, this one or more romantic uta returns after a while to kaoru in total rupture with reii who has left home and who finds himself in need by calling uta for help. And the beginning of a new relationship between them, not necessarily in love at first, but slowly evolving.

I think the story has been kind of muddled about Kaoru's feelings towards Uta. Early on it was made very explicit that she felt a very deep and longstanding emotional connection (not to mention a remarkable desire for skinship) with Uta, one that was deeper and of longer-standing than the one she has with Reiichi. Their relationship came very close to the older woman being emotionally dependent on the younger one, and it seemed clear that those feelings could very possibly take a turn toward the romantic, and that to some extent they were already leaning in that direction.

Well I guess that's another way to interpret her always hugging Uta. I still didn't see that as a sign of a romantic interest, although it can turn out to be the case.

Well, right, it's only a sign of romantic affection if it turns out to be. The point is that the story was setting up a series of possibilities (that Kaoru's affection for Uta went deeper than a familial bond--if it were just that bond, it was a remarkably deep one; that Reiichi's cheating would realign the relationship between Uta and Kaoru), then it went about closing those down (Kaoru rejecting Uta's confession; the whole cheating issue rather abruptly put on the back burner).

All along I've had a bit of a problem with the writing in this series in regard to the difference--if there is one--between this author creating intentional ambiguity for artistic purposes or just mechanically keeping plot options open before deciding which way to take the story.

Wow this manga have something... is a breath of new in this genre for sure... I like it, and can't await for next chapter.

Every time Kaoru opens her mouth or looks at her hand. All I can think of now is how many time Reiichi's cock made contact with those places.
Uta made the right choice ditching that woman her brother already defiled multiple times.
Lots of fresh lesbian cakes out there.

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Every time Kaoru opens her mouth or looks at her hand. All I can think of now is how many time Reiichi's cock made contact with those places.
Uta made the right choice ditching that woman her brother already defiled multiple times.
Lots of fresh lesbian cakes out there.

That tells us something notable, but not about the story. . .

Entoma, that's a very messed-up and misogynistic thing to say

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I'm almost speechless. What the eff did I just read?

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Entoma posted:

Every time Kaoru opens her mouth or looks at her hand. All I can think of now is how many time Reiichi's cock made contact with those places.
Uta made the right choice ditching that woman her brother already defiled multiple times.
Lots of fresh lesbian cakes out there.

I bet you're going to rant about used goods now.

Anyway, this is a turning point.

Now, the plot can move forward, I hope.

I hope we don't get sidetracked into the stories of the side characters for a while.

damn kaoru you were almost there....
so turns out reichii wasnt cheating and everything was just kaoru’s overreacting?

Magnetic posted:

damn kaoru you were almost there....
so turns out reichii wasnt cheating and everything was just kaoru’s overreacting?

Where do the people get the idea he isn't cheating?

Because Risako said they are just friends?

I didn't get anything either way from this interaction.

Magnetic posted:

damn kaoru you were almost there....
so turns out reichii wasnt cheating and everything was just kaoru’s overreacting?

Where do the people get the idea he isn't cheating?

Because Risako said they are just friends?

I didn't get anything either way from this interaction.

And that smile was surely not sincere at all, it's the smile of a woman who know she don't have anymore obstacles to make her relation with Reiichi going further. Uta is leaving and she well know that Kaoru isn't a threat at all for the moment. Just need Kaoru to snap back to reality and do something at least.

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Magnetic posted:

damn kaoru you were almost there....
so turns out reichii wasnt cheating and everything was just kaoru’s overreacting?

Where do the people get the idea he isn't cheating?

Because Risako said they are just friends?

I didn't get anything either way from this interaction.

Yeah, I have no idea where that particular leap of logic is coming from. We literally don't know what's going on between those two; all we have is some suspicious circumstances that can also have entirely innocent explanations.

And that smile was surely not sincere at all, it's the smile of a woman who know she don't have anymore obstacles to make her relation with Reiichi going further. Uta is leaving and she well know that Kaoru isn't a threat at all for the moment. Just need Kaoru to snap back to reality and do something at least.

And you've been reading too much Kodamawatching too many bad soaps. If nothing else we've never had any indication of Risako harboring any ill-will towards, I'll remind you, her old friend and frankly if she pulled something that legit hurt Kaoru Reiichi very likely would never forgive her for it; it bears repeating that whatever his other shortcomings might be the dude is nothing if not caring about the continued well-being of those around him.

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And you've been reading too much Kodamawatching too many bad soaps. If nothing else we've never had any indication of Risako harboring any ill-will towards, I'll remind you, her old friend and frankly if she pulled something that legit hurt Kaoru Reiichi very likely would never forgive her for it; it bears repeating that whatever his other shortcomings might be the dude is nothing if not caring about the continued well-being of those around him.

Still a better option than Kaoru attempting suicide idea i had before.At this point i try to be mentally prepared to the worse.

Maybe the reason why Reiichi was meeting with Risako is because they have a secret child! So Reiichi was spending time bonding with his child...

Still a better option than Kaoru attempting suicide idea i had before.

That's not exactly putting the bar very high...

Every time Kaoru opens her mouth or looks at her hand. All I can think of now is how many time Reiichi's cock made contact with those places.
Uta made the right choice ditching that woman her brother already defiled multiple times.
Lots of fresh lesbian cakes out there.

Hahaha finally someone said it as it is xD Kudos

Here's what we know:

• Reiichi (on his birthday) texts Kaoru and says that he's going to be out of town for an extra couple of days.
• Kaoru calls Uta, who had been planning on staying over at Kuro's, and tearfully says she's lonely; Uta says she'll come home after work.
• Kaoru goes out in the rain to get some groceries to make dinner; she sees a text from Reiichi and calls him, only to realize that Reiichi, who has just told her a few hours ago that he'll be out of town for a few more days, is walking with Risako on the street below.

• She slips on the stairs and we later learn that she hits her head, fractures her leg (or ankle), and is hospitalized. (Chapter 10).

• In the hospital Reiichi starts to apologize for "the things happened during the accident," [Looks like a word missing there] when he realizes that Kaoru doesn't remember anything (as the doctor tells him, this memory loss turns out to be temporary).

• Later in the hospital, he gets a phone call, obviously from Risako to whom he says:

"Yeah, she's fine."
"Sorry, I made you worried."
"No, it's not your fault."
"Anyway, I'll tell you the details later."
"See you soon, bye."

• He then slams his phone against the wall, looks out morosely, and in a big black panel thinks, "What am I doing. . ." (Chap. 11)

• Risako comes to the hospital after visiting hours and talks to Uta, giving her a gift for Kaoru along with Karou's cellphone that she says she picked up at the scene of the accident. As Risako leaves, she thinks about Uta's affect, and thinks, "It wouldn't seem odd even if I were her sister at this moment."

The part with Risako could just be her thinking that Uta is cute and seems reliable, and things might have fallen out so that Risako had married Reiichi rather than Kaoru.

Reiichi's actions and later reactions, though, are much more difficult to explain away. It's true, even if there were an innocent explanation for his presence there with Risako, he might well gloss over it if he thought Kaoru didn't remember anything anyway--why bother with an excuse if you don't need one?

But the whole "What am I doing" thing looks bad. What is he doing, in relation to Risako? If the mangaka knows, we ain't being told.

If you claim to be out of town on a business trip for "a few extra days" on your birthday and later that day your spouse spots you with another person, one you used to date, well, . . .