Stupid drama.

It's not even a love triangle, as Iro isn't romantically in love with Kuro for all we know.

It's just Fujishiro being possessive and wanting to be special.

This is so predictable, it hurts.

Blech...

Yeah I'm not a fan of this direction. Thank GAWD it's not necessarily a cliche love triangle (that would completely put me off) but damn if it just doesn't sit well with me. It feels so unnecessary.

I really hope I'm proven wrong.

Oh damn this turned dark... i love it..

Oh she's into Kurokawa. That's different than what I expected. Still interesting though.

It`s not that she is especially jealous of Iro-chan, but rather that she had a misconception of what Kurokawa was to her. Kurokawa was Fujishiro's savior, but to Kurokawa helping a person in need is not special. That disconnect is tough to stomach for someone who was always hung up on being special. Fujishiro abandoned her old posse and doesn't care about impressing anyone anymore... except Kurokawa. Wanting to be special to everyone has condensed to be special to one person, but if that person does not feel that way, how is she going to cope?

Love triangle or not, it's good to challenge these two who prospered in isolation with the terrors of inclusion lol

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the self deprecation begins

This isn’t the direction I thought this would go, so I’m pleasantly surprised. I doubt we’re getting another twirling mustache Matsuri arc

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/useless_princesses_ch11#15

Yay!

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/useless_princesses_ch11#21

Learn this, Nanaki, and give up. Come back to your old self.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/useless_princesses_ch11#25

I have a feeling that Nanaki'a pseudo love for Kanade is sort of like "Oh they don't love me? I'll show them that anyone can love me, but I don't have to love them!". Sort of nose pschtick.

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Y E S, some love for Kuro

Damnit... It's going through the same stereotypical trope... I was hoping it wouldn't.
Main protagonist makes a friend at the school she's in then slowly starts to show a love interest then out of nowhere a transfer student shows up claiming to be a childhood friend it just makes things more difficult then at the end she's going to have to choose between either one of them yadda yadda yadda
This is an annoying love story trope

It`s not that she is especially jealous of Iro-chan, but rather that she had a misconception of what Kurokawa was to her. Kurokawa was Fujishiro's savior, but to Kurokawa helping a person in need is not special. That disconnect is tough to stomach for someone who was always hung up on being special. Fujishiro abandoned her old posse and doesn't care about impressing anyone anymore... except Kurokawa. Wanting to be special to everyone has condensed to be special to one person, but if that person does not feel that way, how is she going to cope?

Love triangle or not, it's good to challenge these two who prospered in isolation with the terrors of inclusion lol

I would say it's hardly a love triangle? Regardless, the story seems to be putting down hurdles for Fujishiro and Kurokawa to overcome, like an arc for character development.

Fujishiro is likely going to distant herself while Kurokawa will be left to wonder why?? They need to confront each other to know what's the problem and
boom!
character and relationship development.

Love triangle or not, it's good to challenge these two who prospered in isolation with the terrors of inclusion lol

I would say it's hardly a love triangle? Regardless, the story seems to be putting down hurdles for Fujishiro and Kurokawa to overcome, like an arc for character development.

Fujishiro is likely going to distant herself while Kurokawa will be left to wonder why?? They need to confront each other to know what's the problem and
boom!
character and relationship development.

Some people here claim it will inevitably become a love triangle, so I was saying regardless of whether that actually happens, this is a good way to develope their characters and relationships. You basically have the same idea as me.

Love triangle or not, it's good to challenge these two who prospered in isolation with the terrors of inclusion lol

I would say it's hardly a love triangle? Regardless, the story seems to be putting down hurdles for Fujishiro and Kurokawa to overcome, like an arc for character development.

Fujishiro is likely going to distant herself while Kurokawa will be left to wonder why?? They need to confront each other to know what's the problem and
boom!
character and relationship development.

Some people here claim it will inevitably become a love triangle, so I was saying regardless of whether that actually happens, this is a good way to develope their characters and relationships. You basically have the same idea as me.

I don't think this is really a love triangle either, I actually like love triangles, when they're well written and unpredictable.

But I must say I also don't think this is good character development. The "sudden transfer student" who happens to be the perfect fit to move the plot forward always feels like lazy writing to me. The chapter was basically a series of convenient events meant to bring up the precise points about Iro that could stir up Fujishiro's insecurities. There was nothing organic about that, it's way more interesting when the jealousy is caused by a character we're invested on or have opinions about rather than a Plot Point-san.

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Wanting to be special to everyone has condensed to be special to one person, but if that person does not feel that way, how is she going to cope?

Anyone who has ever been friends with a truly charismatic person has probably felt a little bit of this. A person like that can make you feel like you have all of their attention and that you’re in a special relationship with them, and then at some point you realize that they make everybody they know feel that way.

It’s a hard kind of emotion to own (as compared to, say, jealousy in a romantic relationship), because it’s so patently unreasonable.

Of course, I’m not saying that the introverted wallflower Kurokawa is being depicted as exceptionally charismatic, just that for Fujishiro the emotional dynamic is similar.

Forced AF

Blastaar posted:

Of course, I’m not saying that the introverted wallflower Kurokawa is being depicted as exceptionally charismatic, just that for Fujishiro the emotional dynamic is similar.

It's completely possible for someone to be charismatic while being introverted. It's just not nearly as noticeable because introverts are so quiet. Charisma is simply force of personality, not extroversion. You can argue that Kurokawa doesn't have a strong force of personality, although I would personally argue that the reason she doesn't seem like she has a strong force of personality is simply because her values are different from most peoples'.

Forced AF

japan cant hold a candle to korean/china yuri now

Having slept on it, I'm not as negative about it as I was before. I think i'm just being impatient, lol.

ch 11, pg 10, "I don't where it is!" -> "I don't know where it is!"

Some people here claim it will inevitably become a love triangle, so I was saying regardless of whether that actually happens, this is a good way to develope their characters and relationships. You basically have the same idea as me.

I don't think this is really a love triangle either, I actually like love triangles, when they're well written and unpredictable.

But I must say I also don't think this is good character development. The "sudden transfer student" who happens to be the perfect fit to move the plot forward always feels like lazy writing to me. The chapter was basically a series of convenient events meant to bring up the precise points about Iro that could stir up Fujishiro's insecurities. There was nothing organic about that, it's way more interesting when the jealousy is caused by a character we're invested on or have opinions about rather than a Plot Point-san.

Hardly anything is truly unpredictable, especially with love triangles. The most "surprising" thing they can offer is not to be antagonistic or toxic. If only because that's the rarest version. I once read one where both rivals were trying to get the other together with the love interest, ignoring their own happiness... that was probably the most unique one lol

Well you aren't wrong, as usual a good plot device doesn't necessarily make a good story. It really depends on the execution and how much Iro will be fleshed out and what kind of dynamic she will create. If she ascends beyond a mere plot device, people will look back on this more favorably I presume.

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Blastaar posted:

Of course, I’m not saying that the introverted wallflower Kurokawa is being depicted as exceptionally charismatic, just that for Fujishiro the emotional dynamic is similar.

It's completely possible for someone to be charismatic while being introverted. It's just not nearly as noticeable because introverts are so quiet. Charisma is simply force of personality, not extroversion. You can argue that Kurokawa doesn't have a strong force of personality, although I would personally argue that the reason she doesn't seem like she has a strong force of personality is simply because her values are different from most peoples'.

Of course--I have one in my own family. Charismatic introverts just usually don't take as many opportunities to display their charisma to the wider public. lol

I'm not taking this any further than this, because the most toxic discussion I've ever had on Dynasty was about the concept of "charisma," but I will say in my experience that I've known many forceful personalities who I would not describe as charismatic--they were just forceful.

Then there were the people who for some reason (a reason we often give the name "charisma") were people who made others want to listen to them, to get their approval, to agree with them. And sometimes when reflecting afterwards on what that person said, you'd think, "that sounded so completely convincing when they said it, but it actually doesn't really make sense."

Have to agree that Iro gets dropped onto the scene rather abruptly and not particularly naturally. She seems like a pretty interesting addition to the cast though and Ajiichi's writing has been solid enough so far that I'm reasonably optimistic the clumsy intro can be forgiven.

Well, if nothing else, these princesses certainly are useless.

Blastaar posted:

Of course--I have one in my own family. Charismatic introverts just usually don't take as many opportunities to display their charisma to the wider public. lol

I'm not taking this any further than this, because the most toxic discussion I've ever had on Dynasty was about the concept of "charisma," but I will say in my experience that I've known many forceful personalities who I would not describe as charismatic--they were just forceful.

Then there were the people who for some reason (a reason we often give the name "charisma") were people who made others want to listen to them, to get their approval, to agree with them. And sometimes when reflecting afterwards on what that person said, you'd think, "that sounded so completely convincing when they said it, but it actually doesn't really make sense."

Yeah, that's all fair enough. I should clarify that when I say "forceful personality" though that I don't mean someone who's pushy or anything like that. I mean someone whose personality and way of going about things can end up strongly influencing others even though they're not being pushy.

This is going into a direction I'm not pleasant with, and to think Ajichi-sensei is sidelining Dear my Teacher for this ... UGH