Maybe. Shio was abducted and kept imprisoned in an apartment. Satou was sending information to her relatives to let them know she was alive. That's just the right thing to do.

Shouko doesn't know that Shio has been abducted nor does she know she's imprisoned. And no, it's not the right thing to do to blindly interfere in a situation that she knows full well she doesn't properly understand.

See? That picture was probably the only reason she lived as long as she did. As evidenced by Satou's line right before she kills Shouko, she had already decided she would never trust Shouko again long before she ever took that picture.

Well you say that, but if Shouko hadn't taken the picture and had been a lot calmer, more sympathetic, less judgemental and y'know, generally more trustworthy, I don't think it would have happened. Satou wanted to be able to trust her.

Shouko doesn't know that Shio has been abducted nor does she know she's imprisoned. And no, it's not the right thing to do to blindly interfere in a situation that she knows full well she doesn't properly understand.

Of course she knows. Shio's family is looking for her. There are posters all over town. Asahi told her Shio was missing. Any reasonable person seeing Shio alive would assume she had been abducted. And the assumption was proven correct.

Well you say that, but if Shouko hadn't taken the picture and had been a lot calmer, more sympathetic, less judgemental and y'know, generally more trustworthy, I don't think it would have happened. Satou wanted to be able to trust her.

Satou herself says that she had already decided not to trust Shouko, since introducing her to her aunt. Now you're just ignoring the text and making up your own story to blame Satou's behavior on Shouko.

All Satou cares about is protecting her life with Shio. From that perspective, killing Shouko was the correct move. Leaving her alive would be too much of a risk. However, it was morally repugnant. All of the other things she did were, while awful, somewhat justifiable. The artist she killed was in the process of strangling Shio. The guys she killed/mutilated in the park were violent thugs. All the people she's lied to and manipulated were really messed up, and sort of deserved what she did to them (sometimes they even deserved much worse).

The moment she kills Shouko is the moment when her obsession leads her to do something truly evil. The entire point of this chapter was to show Satou finally crossing the line.

schuyguy posted:

Satou herself says that she had already decided not to trust Shouko, since introducing her to her aunt. Now you're just ignoring the text and making up your own story to blame Satou's behavior on Shouko.

Actually the one that's ignoring things is you. You're hiding behind the text and ignoring all the context as well as Sato's actions regarding her desire to trust Shoko.

Actually the one that's ignoring things is you. You're hiding behind the text and ignoring all the context as well as Sato's actions regarding her desire to trust Shoko.

Well, whatever, enjoy your fanfic.

Honestly though schuyguy, let's take a step back here, I think you are taking too biased position here.

Problem: you are right now using Satou's 'abduction' to justify everything Shouko do.

If you want to do it by the law, then fine. Firstly, do we know we know whether Shio's mom still have custody of Shio, especially after she abandoned her on the street? Is Asahi a legal guardian of Shio? If not, and if Shouko's goal was to REUNITE Shio to her family (which obviously she was doing since she claimed herself that she was not going to the police). Then not only Shouko was committing stalking, but if Asahi successfully took Shio back in this situation, then Shouko was assisting in child abduction.

Yes, Asahi's act trying to get Shio back is an act of child abduction, because once again, he was not (old enough either way to be) a legal guardian of Shio. Maybe that's why he didn't want the police's involvement in the first place. Shio's mom has also by law no longer can retain custody over Shio (after disbanding Shio and committing murder). In fact, Asahi also may face charge of aiding her mother crime because he didn't report her, which will surrender him any rights over taking care of Shio (assume he is old enough).

Hence the only legal thing Shouko could do then was immediately reporting to the police. Which she didn't do. Regardless whatever Satou did, regardless whether Shouko know about it or not, two wrong didn't make one right, and Shouko right then also was taking part in a child abduction scheme.

Now ask yourself, why are you approving one child abduction, and disapproving another child abduction here?

PS: on whether Satou will kill Shouko regardless, once again it contradicted Satou's manipulative character. We will discuss on it, once you concede the above point first

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Shio's mom has also by law no longer can retain custody over Shio (after disbanding Shio and committing murder).

Assumes facts not in evidence, as they say.

You're making a mishmash of half-legalistic/half-ethical arguments here--terms like "child abduction," "stalking," etc., have specific legal definitions and their potential application to the circumstances of this case would all need to be determined in court, and a great deal would hinge on the intent of the various actors.

I am quite sure that any court in the world would look very differently at:

• Person finds child on street, keeps child hidden away for eventual marriage.
• Person attempts to find lost sibling.

I am quite sure that any court in the world would look very differently at:

• Person finds child on street, keeps child hidden away for eventual marriage.
• Person attempts to find lost sibling.

You know the one who taught and did Shio's wedding vow with originally WAS Asahi, don't you?

"Oh, no, Asahi was just playing house. But Satou was definitely trying to creepily wed a child for real!!"

Hey I can twist words to support my point too:
* Person finds disbanded child on street, house her
* Person trying to force the abandoned sibling back to their abusive family so he can incestuously marry her later

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I love it when people try to apply logic where there is none.
But I understand the desire to engage in a discussion about it, however I'll just be sitting in this corner enjoying this manga for it fucked upness

is this how psychopaths love each other

is this how psychopaths love each other

You mean this thread? No, this is just flirting.

I dunno, on reflection, the idea of a sibling being prosecuted for "child abduction" by recovering a lost sibling from a homicidal kidnapper is very imaginative, and just the sort of thing that would happen in the bizarre storyworld of this series.

It's a totally demented imaginative idea when applied to the real world, to be sure, but its loopy parody of logic fits the story very well.

makes me wonder wtf i shoudl do if i ever met a crazy bitch like that

even jesus wont be able to help

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makes me wonder wtf i shoudl do if i ever met a crazy bitch like that

even jesus wont be able to help

Run.

makes me wonder wtf i shoudl do if i ever met a crazy bitch like that

even jesus wont be able to help

I think the problem is that you don't realize it until it's too late.

"Oh, she would never . . . URK!"

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I dunno, on reflection, the idea of a sibling being prosecuted for "child abduction" by recovering a lost sibling from a homicidal kidnapper is very imaginative, and just the sort of thing that would happen in the bizarre storyworld of this series.

It's a totally demented imaginative idea when applied to the real world, to be sure, but its loopy parody of logic fits the story very well.

Oh...words

The innocent sibling who tried to recover his lost sibling that you mentioned, participated in assault with a deadly weapon, forceful abduction, blackmail and torture of another minor. The last kid who did this got 13 years behind bar. In rEAl wOrlD

Child abduction is the weakest charge that he will have to face. Legally. He should thank God that Japanese juvenile law gonna protect both him (and Satou) in this situation

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Look, any thought experiment that begins "If Happy Sugar Life happened in real life . . ." needs to stop right there. Individual events like many of the ones in the story do happen in real life, but any attempt to spin out the real-world implications of the story as a whole will end up in cloud-cuckoo-land sooner rather than later.

So knock yourself out.

Must protect my loli.

If this ends exactly the same way as the anime im going to be really disappointed.
even though in real life sato is obviously a bad guy, this is a story so please give satou a good end~ the author already went out of the box with this story, with sato being like a super yandere, killing people and kidnapping a loli, then suddenly the ending becomes a run of the mill bad guy dies, it's like how shouko tried to hear out sato but didn't have to guts to accept her. please author-sensei, i know it's gonna be controversial, but i hope you'll find the guts to give a bad guy a good ending to truly make this story unique and different! :3

If this ends exactly the same way as the anime im going to be really disappointed.
even though in real life sato is obviously a bad guy, this is a story so please give satou a good end~ the author already went out of the box with this story, with sato being like a super yandere, killing people and kidnapping a loli, then suddenly the ending becomes a run of the mill bad guy dies, it's like how shouko tried to hear out sato but didn't have to guts to accept her. please author-sensei, i know it's gonna be controversial, but i hope you'll find the guts to give a bad guy a good ending to truly make this story unique and different! :3

I think the point of this story is that Sato is so damaged, and has done so much damage to others as a result, that it's just not sustainable. There can't really be a happy ending here. She's murdered, she's kidnapped. We the readers, as a witness from the outside looking in, have to accept the flicker of what could have been but never will be that we can see, and the melancholy "happiness" that as twisted as she is, Sato did find some mote of happiness and peace before her inevitable sad end.

Sato is a horrible person.

Sato is a horrible person.

This is an interesting series for the position it puts the reader in. It’s not quite like those stories where the protagonist does some terrible things but we see them positively enough to basically be on their side, but it’s also not like the ones where everyone is so horrible across the board that you don’t ever care what happens to anyone.

In this one I begin to feel sympathy in several different directions, then each time the reality Shawn articulates kicks in: “Nope—horrible.”

Except for Shio, of course. Shio isn’t horrible, just the (mostly) innocent catalyst for horror heaped upon horror.

The great thing about how long it's been since the last update, is that I don't really remember what happened in the anime.

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I really hope that they haven't forgotten anything

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I really hope they didn't

If this ends exactly the same way as the anime im going to be really disappointed.
even though in real life sato is obviously a bad guy, this is a story so please give satou a good end~ the author already went out of the box with this story, with sato being like a super yandere, killing people and kidnapping a loli, then suddenly the ending becomes a run of the mill bad guy dies, it's like how shouko tried to hear out sato but didn't have to guts to accept her. please author-sensei, i know it's gonna be controversial, but i hope you'll find the guts to give a bad guy a good ending to truly make this story unique and different! :3

I think the point of this story is that Sato is so damaged, and has done so much damage to others as a result, that it's just not sustainable. There can't really be a happy ending here. She's murdered, she's kidnapped. We the readers, as a witness from the outside looking in, have to accept the flicker of what could have been but never will be that we can see, and the melancholy "happiness" that as twisted as she is, Sato did find some mote of happiness and peace before her inevitable sad end.

You can argue that the anime ending is actually morally worse than a typical ‘happy ending’ though.

For a happy ending that Satou and Shio successfully escape, there is that black spot of Satou escaping her crimes uncharged. The anime ending however, have Shio being implied to be haunted and possessed by Satou’s ideal. She is no longer only physically imprisoned by Satou, her entire mind and soul now is trapped by Satou, forever. And considering we never know why Satou’s aunt that fked up, it’s possible that Shio could end up a twisted version like the aunt is

Still best aunt though

Is the "aunt" her real mother?