She explicitly apologizes on the last page though...

Yeah, no--"Sorry for today" following by a joking offer of more slapping is way too offhand to make up for physical abuse. And her behavior the night before was as bad in its own way as the slap--Maki had gone out of her way to be nice and Liz totally lost it on her. And still hasn't even told her why.

I can't quite tell if we're seeing the character the way the writer wants us to, or if the writing isn't working as intended--either way, "Senpai said we were just pretending" is no more an excuse for Liz's emotional abuse of Maki than "My bad--those earrings brought back some bad memories" atones for the slap.

Number of times the word "sorry" appears in this chapter: 5

• Maki: 4
• Liz: 1

Who said anything about excusing? The point is she behaved like people only too readily do when seriously upset, and sought to explain things and make amends after calming down and collecting herself.

Whether that is sufficient or not is fundamentally for the offended party, ie. Honjou, to decide but it's indisputably a step in the right direction.

Not sure why you're talking like Liz wanted to blow up in her face like she did...

The slap scene still shocks me, when I reread it. The most shocking thing about it is, that Liz doesn't do it in the heat of the moment. She had some time to get her emotions under control. And then Maki apologizes and Liz with full consciousness reaches out to slap her. WTF, bitch? If Maki had any self-respect, she'd run.

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The slap scene still shocks me, when I reread it. The most shocking thing about it is, that Liz doesn't do it in the heat of the moment. She had some time to get her emotions under control. And then Maki apologizes and Liz with full consciousness reaches out to slap her. WTF, bitch? If Maki had any self-respect, she'd run.

What Melon said.

Look, I know we're supposed to see Liz as acting out because of past emotional trauma. But her responses are so disproportionate and her aggression toward Maki is so misplaced that it's hard to have any sympathy for her.

And her apology comes off as less "I deeply regret what I did and will not do it again" and more "Look, I said I'm sorry, so you need to be nice to me again."

I just re-read the whole series again, and:

Times Maki utters the word "sorry" (not all to Liz): 10
Times Liz utters the word "sorry": 1

EDIT: And Liz's very calculated slap comes as a response to Maki's formal, bowing apology to her.

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I've wanted to like this, I really have. And I try not to be overly-judgmental about characters until I see how things (mostly) play out.

But Liz's "mysterious" aura just turns out to be a cover for an abusive, self-dramatizing user, and I guess the MC is supposed to be sweet and understanding, but that's not the same as being a willing doormat.

And I'm hoping that "let me know if you want to be slapped" line was supposed to come off differently than it actually sounds.

It was, I believe, self deprecating humor.

Did i miss something? XD

I really want to know what expression soft butch was translated from here.

Fussy (but like in a really bad way here....)

I've wanted to like this, I really have. And I try not to be overly-judgmental about characters until I see how things (mostly) play out.

But Liz's "mysterious" aura just turns out to be a cover for an abusive, self-dramatizing user, and I guess the MC is supposed to be sweet and understanding, but that's not the same as being a willing doormat.

And I'm hoping that "let me know if you want to be slapped" line was supposed to come off differently than it actually sounds.

It was, I believe, self deprecating humor.

I think so too, and I think that it's a terrible example of it--invoking a future slapping incident, and imagining Maki to desire more slaps is terribly inappropriate in that context.

(It would rather different if Liz had actually apologized in such a way that it seemed like she was aware of how bad her behavior had been and that she was ashamed of herself for doing it).

Again, it's not clear if the shittiness of the "apology" is supposed to show the character giving a shallow, half-assed apology, or if it's the writer creating an ineffective scene.

Wtf girl..if it was me, be thankful I didn't slap you back or pulled your hair..but asking me for another slap..seriously..I'll get triggered and ask you to leave the house xDD you didn't even say sorry..soft butch? Lol she might be a masochist xDD jk

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Maki deserves better than this.

Yay people are overreacting about a simple joke again

Yay people are overreacting about a simple joke again

Come here so I could slap you and then tell a simple joke afterwards. Lol sure it was a joke but the action prior to it was not. The problem was not the "slap joke" but rather the real slap that happened to the MC. Why joke about it when you can say sorry instead for slapping her without reason.

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Yay people are overreacting about a simple joke again

Come here so I could slap you and then tell a simple joke afterwards. Lol sure it was a joke but the action prior to it was not. The problem was not the "slap joke" but rather the real slap that happened to the MC. Why joke about it when you can say sorry instead for slapping her without reason.

Because that's how some people deal with problems. I recognize myself in it tbh. Rather than apologizing I tend to joke around about the matter later on, or turn it into a joke the moment after it happened rather than apologizing straight away. I know it's not right and I should change my ways, but hey I'm working on it.
Just saying, humans are very diverse, they deal with issues and situations differently.

But I have to agree that the story is very chaotic. Liz atm just seems like some kind of polymorf character. I get she was upset about her past and maybe slapped her half because she wanted to test her half because she was just angry, but it still doesn't justify it. And then with the sudden change of moods and uhg idk just too chaotic man.

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Yay people are overreacting about a simple joke again

Come here so I could slap you and then tell a simple joke afterwards. Lol sure it was a joke but the action prior to it was not. The problem was not the "slap joke" but rather the real slap that happened to the MC. Why joke about it when you can say sorry instead for slapping her without reason.

Because that's how some people deal with problems. I recognize myself in it tbh. Rather than apologizing I tend to joke around about the matter later on, or turn it into a joke the moment after it happened rather than apologizing straight away. I know it's not right and I should change my ways, but hey I'm working on it.
Just saying, humans are very diverse, they deal with issues and situations differently.

But I have to agree that the story is very chaotic. Liz atm just seems like some kind of polymorf character. I get she was upset about her past and maybe slapped her half because she wanted to test her half because she was just angry, but it still doesn't justify it. And then with the sudden change of moods and uhg idk just too chaotic man.

Exactly the point..the girl has clearly some issues she needs to deal with..as you have said, "humans are very diverse" and that goes both ways..we can't also expect the people to understand that behavior especially when the other party doesn't even have any idea what is going on..I grew up in an environment where violence in household is "normal".. so for me, violence in a relationship is a big no no(be it physically or verbally)..so Liz's action is not justifiable in my book and feel free to call it an overreaction..that's just my opinion..:))

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I really want to know what expression soft butch was translated from here.

As I explained on my blog, the original is 歩くカミングアウト which means "someone who is obviously gay from the way they act, look and so on". I needed a word that wasn't too obscure, campy or straigh up offensive, so I went with soft butch because I think it fits for Maki.

That asshole doesn't deserve to be happy

The next chapter we'll probably sees Liz's ex.

That last panel, I had a feeling the hottie was a kinky sadist ;)

Real talk though, this kinda makes me wanna cry. The hottie’s heartbreak resurfacing and the other one getting slapped around whilst being hella confused stirred up my feelz. Anyway, quite the fascinating read and I look forward to more

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yayyy drama was solved. NOW FUCK!
who am i kidding, GIVE ME ALL THE DRAMA MOMONO MOTO!!

btw, many ppl are making a fuss over a single slap, yup it's bad to slap your girlfriend without her doing any fault and joke about it afterwards, but you need to get this, THEY BOTH LOVE EACHOTHER! some relationships don't require a "sorry" to fix things up. only the feelings that matter. if you really decide to leave your lover because of something like that, then you're not in love for real.

yayyy drama was solved. NOW FUCK!
who am i kidding, GIVE ME ALL THE DRAMA MOMONO MOTO!!

btw, many ppl are making a fuss over a single slap, yup it's bad to slap your girlfriend without her doing any fault and joke about it afterwards, but you need to get this, THEY BOTH LOVE EACHOTHER! some relationships don't require a "sorry" to fix things up. only the feelings that matter. if you really decide to leave your lover because of something like that, then you're not in love for real.

Bullshit. In my opinion.

yayyy drama was solved. NOW FUCK!
who am i kidding, GIVE ME ALL THE DRAMA MOMONO MOTO!!

btw, many ppl are making a fuss over a single slap, yup it's bad to slap your girlfriend without her doing any fault and joke about it afterwards, but you need to get this, THEY BOTH LOVE EACHOTHER! some relationships don't require a "sorry" to fix things up. only the feelings that matter. if you really decide to leave your lover because of something like that, then you're not in love for real.

Bullshit. In my opinion.

Pretty much.

Also, at this stage I am almost unbothered by the unhinged grill, it is the doormat that irks me. In the last chapter, she got slapped for the terrible crime of apologising for doing something she had no idea whatsoever could set the crazy one off. And I mean really, that "trauma" is so beyond absurd, no one would ever suspect something like that. "Hmm, but what if she had her heart broken and the girl who did it also gave her these same earrings, no, best buy something else." But even when getting slapped, her first thought was whether or not Liz was alright after realising the latter was crying.

And now she is continuing the trend, almost every third sentence she utters is an apology. Not to mention the crazy one actually tells her it was her fault, lmao! At this point, I would probably not even blink at further abuse, Maki is obviously a moron, and I find any traces of my sympathy for her drained. But at least they match, I mean, Maki also blamed herself for the whole thing, and now Liz confirmed it was indeed her fault. Perfect couple, I wish them all the happiness.

yayyy drama was solved. NOW FUCK!
who am i kidding, GIVE ME ALL THE DRAMA MOMONO MOTO!!

btw, many ppl are making a fuss over a single slap, yup it's bad to slap your girlfriend without her doing any fault and joke about it afterwards, but you need to get this, THEY BOTH LOVE EACHOTHER! some relationships don't require a "sorry" to fix things up. only the feelings that matter. if you really decide to leave your lover because of something like that, then you're not in love for real.

Bullshit. In my opinion.

Pretty much.

Also, at this stage I am almost unbothered by the unhinged grill, it is the doormat that irks me. In the last chapter, she got slapped for the terrible crime of apologising for doing something she had no idea whatsoever could set the crazy one off. And I mean really, that "trauma" is so beyond absurd, no one would ever suspect something like that. "Hmm, but what if she had her heart broken and the girl who did it also gave her these same earrings, no, best buy something else." But even when getting slapped, her first thought was whether or not Liz was alright after realising the latter was crying.

And now she is continuing the trend, almost every third sentence she utters is an apology. Not to mention the crazy one actually tells her it was her fault, lmao! At this point, I would probably not even blink at further abuse, Maki is obviously a moron, and I find any traces of my sympathy for her drained. But at least they match, I mean, Maki also blamed herself for the whole thing, and now Liz confirmed it was indeed her fault. Perfect couple, I wish them all the happiness.

Yeah, I didn’t give the original poster enough credit—“If you really love your partner, getting slapped hard in the face for trying your best to be nice is no big deal” is the kind of everyday bullshit you can hear in any bar in the world.

But “The two characters in this story love each other”—now there’s some top-grade, professional-troll-level bullshit.

Maki is obviously somewhat attracted to Liz for some reason, and Liz has some kind of fucked-up emotional dependency/abuse thing going with Maki, so who knows?—maybe by the end of the series they will manifest something that ordinary human beings would recognize as “love.”

But to claim “THEY BOTH LOVE EACHOTHER!” about this story? You won’t find that quality bullshit every day.

Yeah, I didn’t give the original poster enough credit—“If you really love your partner, getting slapped hard in the face for trying your best to be nice is no big deal” is the kind of everyday bullshit you can hear in any bar in the world.

But “The two characters in this story love each other”—now there’s some top-grade, professional-troll-level bullshit.

Maki is obviously somewhat attracted to Liz for some reason, and Liz has some kind of fucked-up emotional dependency/abuse thing going with Maki, so who knows?—maybe by the end of the series they will manifest something that ordinary human beings would recognize as “love.”

But to claim “THEY BOTH LOVE EACHOTHER!” about this story? You won’t find that quality bullshit every day

yes, THEY DO LOVE EACHOTHER! to the point that maki didn't care about being slapped and instead was totally concerned with why liz was crying. if that's not called love, i don't what is it called then, perhaps you could enlighten me?

the fact that you guys, are calling a simple slap "VIOLENCE!" ironically reminds me of those messed up feminsts shouting "RAPE!" over a single touch, and the fact that you're calling Maki a masohist over a single slap doesn't help it either. it's not like she's being slapped every min while being called a dirty pig. you guys need to distinguish between abusive relationships and relationships that are having a bad time. i'm not saying that what Liz did is right or was justifed just because she loves maki, she's indeed a spoiled brat who will take out her anger on her innocent girlfriend for no reason, sure, as a viewer, you will get bothered by this act. but in reality, true lovers won't leave eachother because of one fight. instead, true lover WILL have fights, but however, they will patch things up in no time. now i don't know what kind of perfect and happy relationship you're having in real life where no bad things ever occur between you and your partner, that's also great, but in reality almost all relationships go through hardships, but in the end, only true lovers will accept eachother's faults and patch things up in no time.

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Yeah, I didn’t give the original poster enough credit—“If you really love your partner, getting slapped hard in the face for trying your best to be nice is no big deal” is the kind of everyday bullshit you can hear in any bar in the world.

But “The two characters in this story love each other”—now there’s some top-grade, professional-troll-level bullshit.

Maki is obviously somewhat attracted to Liz for some reason, and Liz has some kind of fucked-up emotional dependency/abuse thing going with Maki, so who knows?—maybe by the end of the series they will manifest something that ordinary human beings would recognize as “love.”

But to claim “THEY BOTH LOVE EACHOTHER!” about this story? You won’t find that quality bullshit every day

yes, THEY DO LOVE EACHOTHER! to the point that maki didn't care about being slapped and instead was totally concerned with why liz was crying. if that's not called love, i don't what is it called then, perhaps you could enlighten me?

the fact that you guys, are calling a simple slap "VIOLENCE!" ironically reminds me of those messed up feminsts shouting "RAPE!" over a single touch, and the fact that you're calling Maki a masohist over a single slap doesn't help it either. it's not like she's being slapped every min while being called a dirty pig. you guys need to distinguish between abusive relationships and relationships that are having a bad time. i'm not saying that what Liz did is right or was justifed just because she loves maki, she's indeed a spoiled brat who will take out her anger on her innocent girlfriend for no reason, sure, as a viewer, you will get bothered by this act. but in reality, true lovers won't leave eachother because of one fight. instead, true lover WILL have fights, but however, they will patch things up in no time. now i don't know what kind of perfect and happy relationship you're having in real life where no bad things ever occur between you and your partner, that's also great, but in reality almost all relationships go through hardships, but in the end, only true lovers will accept eachother's faults and patch things up in no time.

Bullshit. In my opinion.