I'd love to continue this discussion, but this is really the wrong thread for it... @Mods: Is it possible to move my and UranusAndNeptuneAreJustCousins' latest posts over to one of the Nanoha-related threads? If not, maybe we can continue it on the Nanoha wiki talk pages or something...

Not really, no.

OK. @UANAJC: If you'd like to continue the discussion of Barrier Jackets and Nanoha magic over at the Nanoha wiki, just drop me a note at my talk page.

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Alternatively, we could go here. It is an off-topic thread for this Forum, so basically we can discuss anything there. The place is almost completely dead at this point, so all the reason more no one would object.

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So now that finally explains the title of this webtoon. I always thought it was supposed to be said from one girl to another, which didn't make too much sense. But it actually refers to black haired girl, being said by her grandma (?). She might have this phrase stuffed into her memory and personality.

Actually, after read all 64 chapters, I realize the title is for both of them, maybe more. It's could be in the past, or now, they thought about that.

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So now that finally explains the title of this webtoon. I always thought it was supposed to be said from one girl to another, which didn't make too much sense. But it actually refers to black haired girl, being said by her grandma (?). She might have this phrase stuffed into her memory and personality.

Actually, after read all 64 chapters, I realize the title is for both of them, maybe more. It's could be in the past, or now, they thought about that.

I'm pretty sure it was in the past. Remember when they hated each other at the beginning because they were fighting over some douchebag?

So now that finally explains the title of this webtoon. I always thought it was supposed to be said from one girl to another, which didn't make too much sense. But it actually refers to black haired girl, being said by her grandma (?). She might have this phrase stuffed into her memory and personality.

Actually, after read all 64 chapters, I realize the title is for both of them, maybe more. It's could be in the past, or now, they thought about that

I'm pretty sure it was in the past. Remember when they hated each other at the beginning because they were fighting over some douchebag?

I mean, sure in the past they thought like that but even now, especially Guk Hwa, when problem happen, she consider her existence.

So now that finally explains the title of this webtoon. I always thought it was supposed to be said from one girl to another, which didn't make too much sense. But it actually refers to black haired girl, being said by her grandma (?). She might have this phrase stuffed into her memory and personality.

Actually, after read all 64 chapters, I realize the title is for both of them, maybe more. It's could be in the past, or now, they thought about that

I'm pretty sure it was in the past. Remember when they hated each other at the beginning because they were fighting over some douchebag?

I mean, sure in the past they thought like that but even now, especially Guk Hwa, when problem happen, she consider her existence.

I'm also caught up to the latest chapter, and judging by what I've been reading, it seems like a pretty broad title. I think we're initially meant to think that the title only counts for how Guk-hwa and Jang Mi first meet and how they hate each other at the start, but as we dig deeper into the story, we learn that they both experienced some pretty tough hardships that seem to have conveyed that message: Guk-hwa with her grandmother wishing she didn't exist, Jang Mi's classmates were jealous of her and some bullied her, etc. Heck, even Esther seems to experience some of that, too, what with her family drama and life choices.

Overall, it's meant to show that the two main characters have been told their whole lives that they aren't wanted, and finding each other and making a point that they want each other, despite their past baggage and flaws. In a weird way, it's...kind of sweet?

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I'm really liking these fluffy moments lately after that whole ex-boyfriend fiasco.

I'm really liking these fluffy moments lately after that whole ex-boyfriend fiasco.

Why would you call it a fiasco? I think it was a rather well-executed arc and the protagonist succeeded in getting what she wants (for now), so I don't see how it is a fiasco from either in- or out-of-universe perspective.

And they keep being deliciously awkward <3

Is that latin "semper" for her arm tattoo?
It looks like it. Was she a Marine before ? ^^

I didn't expect this manga to become so adorable in the most recent chapters, it's a very appreciated turn of events.

I FREAKING LOVE THIS SHIT

Pumpkin~<3

this had probably the shitest development but i love it so much nonetheless

Why would you call it a fiasco? I think it was a rather well-executed arc and the protagonist succeeded in getting what she wants (for now), so I don't see how it is a fiasco from either in- or out-of-universe perspective.

Are we reading the same series? That was almost hilarious how bad it was. Why'd she give him back the ring instead of selling it to cancel out his debts? Why'd he repeatedly attack her and the other girl in public? Why'd she agree to have dinner with him after he attacked the other girl? Why didn't they call the police on him? Why'd the author suddenly introduce the the asshole boyfriend's asshole friends? Why did that whole pile of shit just drag on for 23 chapters, when the ex-boyfriend was the least interesting part of the plot?

Sure, trying to present an inner dilemma for the character might make sense, but it was executed so horribly. We never saw any facet of her relationship with the guy that wasn't complete garbage - he's a cheating, mooching, lying, desperate, pathetic, violent alcoholic. If the author had wanted us to have any sympathy with her lingering feelings for him, then maybe showing us something for her to have feelings about might have made sense. But no. That's not what this story is about, that's why it started with her catching him cheating and ending the relationship. The rest was a foregone conclusion - it was obvious how it was going to end from the beginning, and nothing of value would have been lost if he had straight up disappeared immediately upon them breaking up the first time. As it is, this did nothing but make the main characters seem like lunatics for ever having any attraction to him in the first place.

^ I can see your points from that point of view.

@schuyguy I agree. I feel like the author was in a rush to get the main story out and just wanted the reader to assume that Guk-hwa and her ex had a great relationship prior to the cheating, such as other characters commenting how they've been dating for almost four years (a sign of a serious, committed relationship) and sharing a credit card (also another sign). But that's sloppy because it doesn't give a solid foundation to the main conflict of this particular story arc. We're told as opposed to shown.

I think it would've helped to maybe show what happened before catching the ex-boyfriend in the act. Maybe establish what kind of relationship Guk-hwa and her ex had (i.e. were things getting rocky? Were they still close and in love? Was Guk-hwa maybe getting a weird feeling about his recent behavior?). They should've also recounted how the early and middle stages of their relationship was like (i.e. were they all lovey-dovey? Were they getting really serious? Serious enough to consider marriage?). We don't need a whole story arc; just a few flashbacks would be fine. And then have her catch him in the act.

And also, show how the ex-boyfriend acted around Jang Mi and show how Jang Mi met him. What were the circumstances like? Why did Jang Mi like him enough to flirt/go on a date with him? And then show Guk-hwa catching him in the act. And show Jang Mi's inner dialogue about it. Come to think of it, I don't think we're really shown her inner conflict about being--I hate using this term, but it's the best one I could come up with--a side chick. I think it would've made for interesting characterization and development if we were shown how she felt and thought about the whole situation.

I feel like doing something like that would make some of the main characters' actions make more sense and create some form of coherency and establish a solid foundation.

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That was cute cuuuuuuuute very cuute

I agree with the posters above but I still really like this comic. I love the fact that both women are bisexual and that they're getting really invested in their relationship. Everything points that both of them are taking it seriously and the story is highly unlikely to end in surprise het. The people who can't see the clear direction the story has taken seem to have a problem with bi people in general.

I can't wait for one of the girl to get in an accident, run over by a car/truck/bike/bus, or even stabbed/raped by an ex.

It's a Korean webcomic. It's bound to have contrived drama.

It's a Korean webcomic. It's bound to have contrived drama.

The drama so far is pretty fucking contrived.

Nya-chan posted:

I can't wait for one of the girl to get in an accident, run over by a car/truck/bike/bus, or even stabbed/raped by an ex.

It's a Korean webcomic. It's bound to have contrived drama.

I hope for legit drama and not dramatic misinterpretations without giving the chance to talk things over and instead going violent... I guess that's what separate good stories lately

Tbh, I dropped this around chap. 6 before because of the size. Then reread again from the start just now.The art is great but too small for my taste. I kept on zooming it.I don't know if it is a contrived plot. Since, I googled that more chaps had been translated already. But if we are only considering chapters here in Dynasty, there is no contrivances for me. It is well executed especially the flashbacks. I even saw a panel with a Monogatari style of metaphor.

Looks like baseball cap guy might be the next villain, based on his little speech and the 'You Win' screen shown at the end

Another adult life story ruined by bisexuality. No thank you, I'll take lesbians or nothing at all.

that's pretty biphobic

I don't care what your sexuality is, but I want pure lesbians in my lesbian romance stories. It's not yuri if a dude did something with a girl, period. Oh well.

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