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saizon
joined Apr 7, 2016

I'm actually quite interested in this. A bit clumsy with the writing and some loose ends weren't tied up, but it's promising. I hope the author does more to expand on it and explore the other routes.

joined Apr 7, 2016

You know, I was on-board with Saori x Shizuku because of how they were taking their time with it, but now that it's clear Saori has the same habit as Iori with hitting their partner to show affection, I kinda lost interest. Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand how violently hitting your partner is supposed to show affection, especially when your partner comes from a background where violence was regularly inflicted on them in traumatic ways.

Guess I'll stick to Heke x Shinohara, then.

joined Apr 7, 2016

I feel like Aya's figured it out already, especially since Mitsuki had her mask down when Aya dropped by, but she's not broaching it just yet because she doesn't want to scare/shock Mitsuki.

Ugh, we JUST got the latest chapter, and I already want next week to come already!

joined Apr 7, 2016

Someone also mentioned that there's 144 chapters of the novel, so this is going to be just as long, if not longer.

Give me that delicious slow burn, baby...

joined Apr 7, 2016

Sure we could have gone somewhat beyond subtext, but subtext is probably better than representation that may be only good for titillation and undercutting the realistic trauma drama. For good angsty mistakes let alone a healthy relationship to be made, both women need to be becoming mature and mentally stable enough to slightly manage the situation. Consent is sexy. If outsiders figure it out they'll see that romance as deeply wrong, especially Nozomi's mom, but at least we the audience must be convinced it's worth cheering for. In retrospect if Kuzushiro brought in too much more romance before now it would have brought down the story quality to merely very good, and from around this point forward if the story goes romantic for a long stretch it will probably become a masterpiece. If it's nothing but subtext, I usually hate that, but this work will still be great Yes this is exhausting but it's so very good. \vent

^THIS. Tbh, the slowburn is amazing and I really like how it's so realistic in how grief works and how each person is uniquely affected by it. At this point, I'm here because I love seeing the development of the characters and how they're both growing. The romance is a bit of a secondary factor to me.

If Shino and Nozomi had started showing and/or expressing romantic attraction early, I don't think I would've liked this story as much and would've seen it more as two emotionally-compromised girls who needed a distraction from their grief. But them coming to terms with it, learning to live with it, and growing up into becoming more mentally and emotionally mature women? Yes, please. It'll make their romance all the more better.

last edited at Mar 1, 2022 3:54PM

saizon
joined Apr 7, 2016

Maybe all of her bullying as a kid was misguided affection?????

I think that's totally the point. It's extremely common for little boys to bully a girl they like to catch her attention, because they don't know better and don't realize it's likely to backfire. She was so much like a boy when she was a child, she even made that same mistake.
But it's not really a big problem, right? I mean it's okay for two future lovers to start off badly and then come to feel for each other despite the bad beginning and get together as the plot moves on. It's the storyline for like a zillion romance movies. Look at Chaeyeon's and Sengua's faces and body language, now they are adults, when the teasing game begins again: it's very evident they both realize the context and the meaning are different, their reactions tell that this time it's gay flirting and both understand it.

That's what I've been saying. I think Seungha is the type to tease people she likes, and to her, it's just a way to get their attention and express affection. But to Chaeyeon, she clearly doesn't like that and interprets it as bullying. It's interesting to see her struggle between her physical attraction to Seungha and her remembering her childhood of being teased by Seungha. I wonder how that tension point will build up later.

And I don’t think Chaeyeon was ever a lady killer under the facade. The persona seems entirely for show, at least so far.

Perhaps that's her stage persona. We'll probably see it in more detail in later chapters.

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saizon
True me discussion 20 Feb 10:14
joined Apr 7, 2016

I feel like this could've used more pages to develop a few parts, but it was a cute read! I like how the senpai looks without her glasses, too.

saizon
joined Apr 7, 2016

This may be an unpopular opinion but I'm tired of the main couple at this point. I want to see Saori and Shizuku develope into the couple we all know they will eventually become :p (wouldn't mind more of the mangakaxeditor couple either btw).

Nah, I feel the same way. I'm way more interested in Saori and Shizuku because of their development and how neither are jumping into it hastily. And while Heke and Shinohara kind of came from nowhere, I like their dynamic. But for the main couple, I lost interest at around Chapter 30 or so. I just find Iori annoying, tbh.

saizon
joined Apr 7, 2016

We're only four chapters in, so we're still getting to know the characters, but from what I can tell, Seungha seems to be the kind of person who teases people she likes. Perhaps, to her, it's completely harmless because she doesn't have bad intentions. However, to someone like Chaeyeon, who is introverted and easily nervous, it's not playful at all. It's just uncomfortable and embarrassing.

We haven't seen nearly enough textual evidence to be able to assert that Chaeyon is ordinarily "introverted and easily nervous." In fact, she's described as usually being "cool," and she starts out the session assuming that she'll be in control when she offers to guide Seungha through the lesbian-themed photoshoot.

Seungha's "teasing" amounts to telling Chaeyon that they were classmates when they were 10 years old, praising her grown-up looks, and suggesting a reversal in the top-bottom roles as they model. Certainly Chaeyon is taken aback by the revelation that the famous actress who she admires was her 4th-grade "bully," as her persistent sweat drop suggests.

But I just reread this series carefully (in both available translations) and I'm simply not seeing how Seungha did anything inappropriate during the (highly successful) photoshoot nor how the feelings that Chaeyon expresses must unquestionably be read as deep emotional distress rather than a mixture of any number of milder responses, including surprise at the role reversal, confusion about Seungha's identity, arousal at the physical situation, etc.

Yes, it's early days in regard to the full nature of the characters (and the story is likely going to pay a fair amount of attention to the numerous side characters), but except for the gorgeous painted art, this strikes me as a bog-standard "reversal" romance intro, where an initially confident MC gets rocked back on their heels by the appearance of an unexpected love interest from their past.

True, we haven't seen enough yet, hence why I said, "We're only four chapters in." But just going from what I'm seeing so far and my own interpretations, I get the impression that Chaeyeon's "coolness" is either a persona she puts up or a personality trait she leans into a lot to hide her nervousness. It's evident she dislikes not being in control of a situation (e.g. the role reversal at the photoshoot, the sudden request of her appearance at a variety show, etc.), which is common in people who get anxious easily (speaking as someone who gets nervous and paranoid easily).

And I agree with Seungha's "teasing" during the photoshoot. I think it's harmless and really isn't a big deal. But I disagree with Chaeyeon just being mildly surprised and thrown off. I do think she's genuinely uncomfortable. Perhaps not in "deep emotional distress," but definitely in a "I really don't like this situation right now" way. Because Seungha's "teasing" wasn't perceived as harmless for Chaeyeon when they were kids.

From what the flashbacks show, she clearly did not like how she was the target of Seungha's attention and their classmates looking on probably made her feel almost humiliated. When you're 10-years-old, it's a lot to handle. So, naturally, as a 10-year-old, I'd imagine Chaeyeon interpreted Seungha's harmless teasing as bullying. And now that they're reunited as adults, I'd also imagine that Chaeyeon's perspective of Seungha hasn't really changed since it's been over a decade since they last saw each other.

But what do I know? Like I said, we're very early into the story, and I'm overanalyzing things because I'm tired. Let's just enjoy this for what it is and see how it plays out.

saizon
joined Apr 7, 2016

We're only four chapters in, so we're still getting to know the characters, but from what I can tell, Seungha seems to be the kind of person who teases people she likes. Perhaps, to her, it's completely harmless because she doesn't have bad intentions. However, to someone like Chaeyeon, who is introverted and easily nervous, it's not playful at all. It's just uncomfortable and embarrassing.

I don't want to excuse Seungha's behavior nor invalidate Chaeyeon's feelings. Even if you genuinely did not mean harm, actions have consequences. And if the recipient of said actions--who will be most affected by them--deem you a bully for how you treat them, then you ARE a bully. Plain and simple. That said, I don't think Seungha is this malicious, manipulative person. I think she's just immature and needs to learn that not everyone will take to teasing lightly, as well as understand that she actually affected Chaeyeon in a negative way.

I think this would make a good point of conflict between the two (it's already shaping up to be), as well as make them get to know each other better. And in stories like this, that's always a good thing, imo.

saizon
joined Apr 7, 2016

Yes! It's finally here! Tima's one of my favorite artists, so I've been waiting for someone to translate this series for so long.

joined Apr 7, 2016

I reread the last few chapters, and I have to say that Kuzushiro is really good at leaving small seeds that will become plot points later on. Taishi's friend disliking change and implied to be developing (or possibly already having) a crush on Shino, Nozomi still struggling with depression, and Heidi...Well, Heidi seems to be getting set up as a potential suitor for Nozomi, imo.

This slow burn is painful, but it's the best kind of pain. I love how the priorities here are Shino and Nozomi moving on, working through their trauma and grief, and finding happiness as individuals. The love story can wait.

I don't remember which chapter it was, but Heidi has clearly stated before that she's only into men and doesn't like Nozomi ''that way'' .

I believe that was in a late-80s chapter, but don't quote me on that. Still, there are some hints throughout the story that I interpret as Heidi potentially being a suitor. But again, this is just my opinion and interpretation. I could be wrong and am just reading too much into it.

joined Apr 7, 2016

I reread the last few chapters, and I have to say that Kuzushiro is really good at leaving small seeds that will become plot points later on. Taishi's friend disliking change and implied to be developing (or possibly already having) a crush on Shino, Nozomi still struggling with depression, and Heidi...Well, Heidi seems to be getting set up as a potential suitor for Nozomi, imo.

This slow burn is painful, but it's the best kind of pain. I love how the priorities here are Shino and Nozomi moving on, working through their trauma and grief, and finding happiness as individuals. The love story can wait.

saizon
Image Comments 13 Dec 21:22
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I snorted when I saw Jinx in the back

saizon
Image Comments 07 Dec 07:31
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I just realized that's a Long-Tailed Tit...talk about a visual pun.

saizon
Inversion discussion 12 Oct 22:20
joined Apr 7, 2016

I know this was supposed to be a trilogy, but I hope the mangaka does continue with it. I really like the overall premise and the characters and wanted to know more about them. Like, Saika going from this outgoing genki girl to a quiet and reserved adult. And then Ukawa goes from wallflower to emitting quiet chad energy. What happened from high school to where they are now?

Also, the art is gorgeous. I'm a sucker for beautiful noodle people, it seems.

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joined Apr 7, 2016

At this point, this story can go a bunch of different ways. I just hope that we're not hit with a "Surprise! Yuuna's been in love with Sena this whole time, too!" or "Yuuna starts to develop feelings for Sena (and gets in between her and Kiku)." The story doesn't have a high-drama, high-intensity tone, so I'm hoping that it just ends with Sena telling Yuuna the truth and Yuuna either accepting Sena for whom she is but being firm that it can't happen or--if we want more angst--Yuuna rejecting Sena and blocking her out of her life.

Kiku really is such a kind and gentle person, huh? She's really what Sena needs, whether that's as a lover or a shoulder to lean on. This story better not screw her over.

joined Apr 7, 2016

The art in the latest chapters feels a little different somehow? Is it just me?

No, I thought the same thing, too. Something about the eyes and face seems different. Maybe the mangaka has an assistant who hasn't gotten the style completely down yet? Or maybe the mangaka just wanted to change things up a bit?

joined Apr 7, 2016

This was clearly a storytelling experiment, which I'm all for in a creative sense. I don't know if the double suicide metaphor really worked here, though. I had to read it a few times to get what was going on, and when I took the double suicide out of the picture, it gave me a clearer understanding.

Basically, to me, this seems like a "Character A feels unworthy of Character B's love, even though there is mutual attraction" situation. The author even says that Misaki's feelings towards Kokoro are an "incomprehensible existence." Misaki, at first, is confused about her feelings but is actually in denial about the fact that she's in love. When she finally realizes her feelings, she feels inadequate. Kokoro takes the initiative by writing a love song dedicated to Misaki. Misaki rebuffs it (probably as a defense mechanism), but Kokoro counters it by literally writing it down. Misaki reads what Kokoro wrote, and, touched and inspired, she reciprocates but tells Kokoro she doesn't feel worthy of her. Still, Kokoro insists that she genuinely loves her, and Misaki feels willing to try. The double suicide metaphor at the end then becomes a "Characters A and B both are in love and have found something they're both willing to nurture and work on together, which is their relationship."

That's what I got from it, anyway.

joined Apr 7, 2016

While it did seem a bit strange at first, I thought the Wakana-Sara thing actually reached a pretty nice conclusion after re-reading it. My take on it is that the two of them needed closure above anything else.

Sara had feelings for Wakana, but she moved on and found someone else, which is something that many people do. I would argue it's healthier because it shows that Sara isn't going to just wait around and dwell on the "what if's." You can't really grow as a person if you do that. As for Wakana, she needed to get her true feelings off her chest, even though she knows it won't automatically make her and Sara a couple. But to just say it out loud to the person you like is also the healthier thing to do than just bottle it up and--once again--dwell on the "what if's."

And I thought the hug was more of a way for them to put a nice little bow on top of this particular chapter in their lives. It's meant to show that they have no hard feelings, they said everything that needed to be said, and want to let each other know that they still care for one another as a friend.

As Sarah Paulson once said in the movie Carol, "And then it changed. No one's fault." "It" being "feelings," and it's true: it's no one's fault that feelings change because that's what they naturally do. Wakana and Sara don't feel anything romantic anymore; it's close friendship now. And I think this kind of experience would make them even closer as friends because they were completely honest with each other.

saizon
Citrus + discussion 20 Aug 13:33
joined Apr 7, 2016

I doubt that Matsuri actually has a lover, given how she's usually lying just to mess with people or to get something she wants. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if she was referring to Harumi. I mean, I GUESS you could say that they've been dating for a while, given how much the author teases us with them.

joined Apr 7, 2016

Blood and puking aren't really my thing, but this story was actually really wholesome??? There was honest and open communication, consent, and the relationship developed pretty organically.

Can we also mention how the male characters were actually decent and respectful people? Furuya genuinely wanting to help his gay friend find a suitable partner, and the employee who accepted that Touka was into women and didn't try to force a guy on her. I was half-expecting Furuya to be a manipulative dude and Chouko would have to save Touka, but nope!

saizon
Image Comments 31 Jul 20:31
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^NoeFure is pretty much confirmed, especially considering they bought custom pair rings that are meant for married couples. There's also the interview they did with Tamaki. That interview pretty much cemented it as "canon" for me. There's also the fact that they're considerably more lowkey about their relationship compared to other "couples" (especially last year, where Flare was hesitant to say much). I've often found that when people are trying to be subtle about something, it usually means they have something very real to hide.

saizon
Kill Switch discussion 25 Jul 11:44
joined Apr 7, 2016

Hwayeon annoyed me before, but now I genuinely dislike her. I've met people like her before, and all of them were the literal definition of emotional vampire. I really hope MC realizes this soon and gets away from her. Honestly, having Jisoo in her life seems to be good for her, whether that's romantic or friendship. While she may have started off pursuing Jeongwon because she reminded her of an old friend, she seems to genuinely like Jeongwon as her own person now.

saizon
Image Comments 25 Jul 00:57
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^Yup. It was during their Uno collab, if I recall correctly. Kiara lost a round and had to talk like a baby for the next round. What was supposed to be an embarrassing punishment turned into one of the most ear-grating 45 minutes of Uno (this is said with love, btw. Kiara's great).