I like the part where the two boys are hot for each other.

Come to think of it, yuri falls into the "rebellious youth" category but yaoi get a pass...

When two girls look at each other, chat and hold hands it is interpreted first as friendship.
When two boys do the same, it is yaoi.

This is the kind of bias there is in the media. It's a shame, but at least things are getting better for Yuri.

Back to this series, where should I start.
The author clearly did not have the skills write a coherent plot, but worse enough, couldn't bring a clear resolve that at least wraps up into a satisfying ending. It was stupid to advertise this series as a girls love when the writing was so poor, that they couldn't even write what the plot was about. It was a constant circle jerk into nothing.

The side yaoi is clearly obvious and convenient that it should've been about them. Still, even the side yaoi was all just circle jerking, cheap slapstick humor. It just consists of one of them dressing girly and flirting while the other just blushes and "cut end, repeat". Not once is it stated that they go on a date or love or kiss or have sex. This is just incompetent writing and I'm actually glad it "ended".

Should've just made the story about the yaoi, with the sister and her friends as a side story. Easier on the writer.

I sit here acting like I cannot believe this unsatisfactory ending but deep down... :'>

This was a really cute little update. Lol, when I saw this was updated my initial reaction was fear this chapter would be about the girls.

koyot3 posted:

Back to this series, where should I start.
The author clearly did not have the skills write a coherent plot, but worse enough, couldn't bring a clear resolve that at least wraps up into a satisfying ending. It was stupid to advertise this series as a girls love when the writing was so poor, that they couldn't even write what the plot was about. It was a constant circle jerk into nothing.

Hmmm? it was about a very hard love triangle, and giving the chance, it would've been better but it was axed and no doubt thanks to pushing so much yaoi in the middle of a very complex yuri plot in development imo... I think the yaoi part it's okay AS SPIN OFF.

But it wasn't bad writing, it was just rushed ending, for me this series still has one of the best character I've seen, which is Kotooka... Her burdens, her suffering, her decisions and all made sense to the point that when she was hurt, I was hurt too, so I couldn't really like Nadeshiko at the end because after all, Kotooka knows more than anyone else there what is like to love another girl and seeing Nadeshiko trying to get so close so easily must be painful and in the other hand Tsukasa was just going through a phase after all, and Kotooka knew all that and still had to deal with ways to keep everyone together while the others would selfishly try to push their own desires even if it means changing or ruining their friendship forever.

ANYWAY, I don't want to discuss this anymore, IT'S A SHAME it was axed, but it wasn't bad writing, just bad choices in direction.

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It was bad writing, author had plenty of time to go somewhere and didn't.

When an author needs 50+ pages to say something trivial. It is a bad writing.

PolizPolice posted:

It was bad writing, author had plenty of time to go somewhere and didn't.

because it went to yaoi

But it wasn't bad writing, it was just rushed ending, for me this series still has one of the best character I've seen, which is Kotooka... Her burdens, her suffering, her decisions and all made sense to the point that when she was hurt, I was hurt too, so I couldn't really like Nadeshiko at the end because after all, Kotooka knows more than anyone else there what is like to love another girl and seeing Nadeshiko trying to get so close so easily must be painful and in the other hand Tsukasa was just going through a phase after all, and Kotooka knew all that and still had to deal with ways to keep everyone together while the others would selfishly try to push their own desires even if it means changing or ruining their friendship forever.

YES, SOMEONE WHO STANDS KOTOOKA TOO. I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE BUT THANK YOU! You say what I think *_*

I want Nadeshiko to end up with Tsukasa -crys in japanese-

I want Nadeshiko to end up with Tsukasa -crys in japanese-

nods

Serenata posted:

and in the other hand Tsukasa was just going through a phase after all

That is the single thing that made this series crap for me.

Serenata posted:

and in the other hand Tsukasa was just going through a phase after all

That is the single thing that made this series crap for me.

She wasn't going through a phase, she just had a love that didn't work out, and at the end, she takes the first step towards getting over it.

Just because it's implied that she has a boyfriend down the road doesn't mean her feelings towards Nadeshiko weren't real. Bisexuality is a thing.

People are way too hard on this series. I found it to be an exceptionally cute series about five young people in a pretty brutal romantic circumstance. I get why some people feel the ending was rushed, but calling it crap doesn't seem fair to me.. Kotooka had to overcome her past trauma and get over her fear of losing her friendships, Nadeshiko had to decide what she needed to do to be satisfied with herself, Tsukasa had to come to grips with the fact that her feelings are unrequited so she could properly move on, Subaru needed to realize that he can care about and have relationships with people other than Tsukasa, and Asakura needed to recognize that he's attracted to Subaru as well. They all overcame their basic stumbling blocks to moving forward, so the manga ends with the potential of their futures in front of them.

Heavensrun posted:

Serenata posted:

and in the other hand Tsukasa was just going through a phase after all

That is the single thing that made this series crap for me.

She wasn't going through a phase, she just had a love that didn't work out, and at the end, she takes the first step towards getting over it.

Except even in the series it is said it was just a phase.

People are way too hard on this series. I found it to be an exceptionally cute series about five young people in a pretty brutal romantic circumstance. I get why some people feel the ending was rushed, but calling it crap doesn't seem fair to me.. Kotooka had to overcome her past trauma and get over her fear of losing her friendships, Nadeshiko had to decide what she needed to do to be satisfied with herself, Tsukasa had to come to grips with the fact that her feelings are unrequited so she could properly move on, Subaru needed to realize that he can care about and have relationships with people other than Tsukasa, and Asakura needed to recognize that he's attracted to Subaru as well. They all overcame their basic stumbling blocks to moving forward, so the manga ends with the potential of their futures in front of them.

Agreed, but it doesn't have enough of an obvious yuri end for most people on this site. So long as there is a shared focus on het/yaoi couples on here, people are a lot more prone to nitpicking and overreacting to things that otherwise would be ignored.

That being said, it is a rushed ending, but there are plenty other manga with rushed/axed ends on this site that don't get treated half as bad as this.

It's like one of those stories that could have been resolved in one page if one character just speaks their mind already.

You mean 90% of yuri?

I will never understand people. Why the hell hiding something like that? Seriously, they are too immature and shouldn't even be thinking about romance yet. They are too naive and the like. I wish people wouldn't go to hastily in the path of romance and take a long thought about life.

That aside, this story was very disappointing. I dropped it midway, getting enough of the character's stupidity. The Subaru at the beginning was my favorite character but he slowly grew into a despicable dude. sigh Well... I'm used to see yuri with bad ending. Though, I think the tag Het should still be added to this manga.

A phase they said... In fear of breaking their friendship. Now, I'm good as to get cancer after reading this. It was a total waste of time... but then I remember it was translated by Hachimitsu scans (focused on crossdressing, het romance and yaoi). I like the series they translate (like Himegoto, Lily, Bokura no Hentai, Hatsu Kokuhaku and the Jouso shounen anthology comic) but then remember the only other possible yuri they translated (heroine voice) which was a little boring and Yuri na Watashi to Akuma na kanojo with a good-bad yuriish het ending (still a good series but bittersweet one could say).

I will end this comment with a phrase that a wise man has once said. "Everyone has their tastes! My son, there are two type of human in this planet: the masochists who enjoy reading tragedy and the sadists who create dramas."

oh Also, since I'm at it, Noriko (Girls und Panzer, Type 89's loader/commander): "What your mind can't comprehend, let your guts do the rest!" :D

I wish people wouldn't go to hastily in the path of romance and take a long thought about life.

If it were as easy as all that, there probably wouldn’t be a romance genre in the first place.

I think the “hiding” part for fear of losing their existing mutual friendship was the most well-justified aspect of the whole story. (It’s not a very reasonable goal—change is change, after all—and it indicates their relative immaturity, but it does make sense in their terms.)

But although I generally liked the main characters and several individual scenes, the problem was that the overall structure, pacing, and development of the story generally ranged from mediocre to horrible (the ending in particular).

So, keeping secrets causes buried emotional stresses that threaten to tear these friends apart? Solution: just keep doing it, and all will be well! (Bonus: cute-ish males doing semi-cute-ish things!)

It's like one of those stories that could have been resolved in one page if one character just speaks their mind already.

You mean 90% of yuri?

I will never understand people. Why the hell hiding something like that?

I would genuinely argue that this stance would be the immature one. There are plenty reasons for people to hide that kind of thing, very legitimate reasons in fact.

Though, I think the tag Het should still be added to this manga.

It shouldn't. The opinion of someone that admits to not even reading it fully aren't really relevant, for one.
Read "Yuri na Watashi to Akuma na kanojo" instead, it seems to be more the kind of thing you're into.

Heavensrun posted:

Serenata posted:

and in the other hand Tsukasa was just going through a phase after all

That is the single thing that made this series crap for me.

She wasn't going through a phase, she just had a love that didn't work out, and at the end, she takes the first step towards getting over it.

Except even in the series it is said it was just a phase.

Give me chapter and page number if you're gonna claim that. I'm fairly sure it never says that Tsukasa's feelings were just a phase.

Nadeshiko talks about having read that such feelings are sometimes a phase that is grown out of, but her feelings clearly aren't like that, and while Tsukasa doesn't end up with a girl in the end, that doesn't mean, as I said, that her love was "a phase". Like I said, (which you conspicuously decided not to quote) Bisexuality is a thing.

Give me chapter and page number if you're gonna claim that. I'm fairly sure it never says that Tsukasa's feelings were just a phase.

I think Nevri meant these three pages.

h3x posted:

Give me chapter and page number if you're gonna claim that. I'm fairly sure it never says that Tsukasa's feelings were just a phase.

I think Nevri meant these three pages.

It has been said but is something the reader should understand after that ending... Because if we're looking for specific statement, Tsukasa never said she was bisexual either so ...

Give me chapter and page number if you're gonna claim that. I'm fairly sure it never says that Tsukasa's feelings were just a phase.

I think Nevri meant these three pages.

Those...Those are -entirely- speculation on the part of Kotooka, though. None of that is coming from Tsukasa, or is based on anything Tsukasa said. And it's coming from the character with the single most negative disposition in the entire comic.

Kotooka's sharp, but she also looks at everything through a thoroughly defeatist filter.

Hell, in fact, re-reading, RIGHT after that, Tsukasa takes her to task -specifically- for deciding on her own what other people's feelings are.

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h3x posted:

Give me chapter and page number if you're gonna claim that. I'm fairly sure it never says that Tsukasa's feelings were just a phase.

I think Nevri meant these three pages.

It has been said but is something the reader should understand after that ending... Because if we're looking for specific statement, Tsukasa never said she was bisexual either so ...

No, she didn't say anything except that she was in love with Nadeshiko. And we have no reason to disbelieve her when she says that. She certainly acts like her feelings are real. She acts in Nadeshiko's interests at the expense of her own, she longs for her to notice her feelings, she's heartbroken whenever she realizes her feelings just aren't reciprocated.

There's no reason to assume this is a phase. It could be she's bi, or pan, or she could be straight with an exception, (or gay with her later boyfriend being an exception) or maybe she eschew's labels her whole life. The point is we don't know, and there's no reason to assume that her feelings aren't genuine.

good story but... kinda let me down