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Chads no Teikoku
joined Dec 18, 2013

I think there might be hope that Kishi might give us some nice treats with fanart in the future, maybe something a bit more explicit on pixiv or something. But I agree with everyone with the dissatisfaction of not seeing closure for specific couples. It might not be a nicely-written ending, but I would appreciate to at least see Haruka and Kanae kissing

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joined Mar 20, 2016

Bummer, but we've still got so many precious memories. And this is a wonderful full circle moment. Virgins' Empire started with Miyoshi complaining about the heat, and she's back in the heat after 15 Lovely Years.

joined Oct 22, 2020

"I don't know if it will be one chapter or twenty" and it was one chapter and only this. It was pretty clear Kishi was running out of steam for some time on the series but I'm still disappointed that this was the end.

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joined Jan 16, 2021

Thank you for translating this series.

Most of the couples were slice of Life stories with no real story arc to close. If I remember correctly, only 2 couples had significant drama, and those stories had a conclusion.

So I can understand not including the other couples in the final chapter and instead going full circle. But that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed withthis ending.

Personally, I'd would of been happy if it had also just shown the other girls in the background, doing their usual stuff. At least include them.

But oh well, I still love this series, and I'll keep including it in every survey hoping someday it'll be licensed in English.

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joined Jun 17, 2018

How disappointing. It would have been better if, instead of the mini chapters, we have had endings. If feel when that started, it was the start of the ending. At least something. I don't know, not like, a lot of elaborated chapters, but at least one for couple. I have read this for so many years, and it feels like nothing. So sad. I understand that we have so many good chapters, but knowing they will have no end, I don't know...

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joined Oct 27, 2017

No AiChie? No YuuMari? Aw man…

The Elisha and Honoka finale was so good, I was at least hoping for something like that for the “big” pairings. Sounds like I’m not the only one disappointed. Still, it’s hard to complain when the series has been going for so long and has been so good for almost the entire time.

We wouldn’t be here talking about it without Chads, so here’s a shoutout to the absolute legends that translated each and every chapter. And here’s hoping that Kishi’s next series is just as good.

joined Aug 11, 2019

It is true that I really wasn't into reading this but It was still very fun and i'm very, very happy/grateful to have read it. This is a true end to an era. Thank you so, so much to Kishi Torajirou and to Chads no Teikoku for all the very hard work put into this. It's not gonna be the same without this one. Looking forward to what Kishi Torajirou does next.

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joined Sep 6, 2023

I've been reading VE for 3 years now, so knowing I'm not going to open dynasty and get excited cause a new chapter was uploaded makes me a bit sad ( •︠ˍ•︡ ) and I'm really happy my favorite couple got a nice conclusion, but I wish some of the other girlies did too... not sure how I feel about the sudden ending, but I'm just glad this manga exists and that I was able to read it ^^ ♡ thx for all the hard work, Chads!

Beatorokken
joined Feb 23, 2014

https://youtu.be/o0WdKqMGItE
No closure for any of the other couples???
No Mask x Kaoru even please you're killing me here

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joined Mar 20, 2014

So.. this is it? What about any of the other relationships? I demand time skip chapters so we get some more closure!

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joined Feb 21, 2016

i did see Kishi-sensei's tweet and i understand the "ordinary day" ending concept, but ngl it still feels like a bit of a copout to only show 2 characters for a series that's known for its many beloved pairings. like just in the background doing PE class normally....

also i need ononana to sustain me :') the honoeli finale arc was AMAZINGLY done though so i can't complain too much!

Clannadas20ushio3
joined Jun 22, 2016

Damn this is the lamest end ever, I'm glad Elisha and Honoka got their ending but what about everyone else? I can understand if the author is tired of the manga but I'd expect them to save some energy to give their characters some satisfying end.

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joined May 30, 2022

I really enjoyed the experience of reading the series over the years but the ending was sadly unsatisfying.

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

Honestly, if we're being realistic, almost none of these girls end up together, that's just not how high school relationships work out. Most series get around this by focusing on a single couple/pairing, because while MOST people don't pair up for life out of high school, SOME people do, and the story can just be about one of those without stretching plausibility.

By making a series set in a girls school with so many pairings, relationships, and prospective relationships, you're left with the dilemma of either making an ending where many of the couples end up with long term prospects but it feels contrived and false, an ambiguous ending where you do a graduation arc and maybe a couple of them get together but mostly it's just leaving everything up in the air, or a time-skip/class reunion ending where you find out most of them broke up or never got together, and a lot of them married guys, and then it feels pretty shitty.

So while this feels on the face like a wildly unsatisfying last chapter, I could also sympathize with Kishi-sensei's decision to just go "eh fuck it the end." And at first that's what this looks like, but then I think about Honoka and Elisha's story, and I think there's something a little deeper going on here.

I think the reason he gave Honoka and Eli an ending specifically was because out of everybody, they had THE MOST to overcome if they were going to end up together, with Eli being an exchange student and leaving the country after a semester. Many of these couples have a whole year or two together before they graduate, many of them might attend the same college, and even if they don't, they're still all in the same country, they could end up at the same company, or find themselves in the same town, etc etc. But Eli and Honoka are going to have a literal ocean between them, and until the very end there it's kinda ambiguous if they're actually that committed or if they're just playing around. The fakeout in the ending where you start off thinking they fell out of touch works because honestly it would feel very real if they did. So the message here is:

"Look, we all know not all these girls are gonna get together, and I'm not going to dash your dreams by telling you which of your faves didn't work out. So instead of giving everybody an ending and deciding it for you, look, look here: The couple with the most obstacles is happily living together in quasi-marital bliss happily writing manga together, probably about Thomas Jefferson taking it in the butt from Tokugawa Ieharu. If they made it work, who's to say your favorite couple didn't?"

And y'know, I think that's probably about the best compromise between realism and narrative that you could probably do for a series like this.

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Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

I really enjoyed the experience of reading the series over the years but the ending was sadly unsatisfying.

Pfft....It's funny to me that I spent like 10 minutes crafting a comment talking about how the ending feels, and in the middle of it, here comes a post from somebody who uses the exact phrasing I used to describe a hypothetical dissatisfied reader.

joined Oct 1, 2024

The author has been tired of the manga for years, as shown by chapters being replaced by minichapters and the few "chapters" becoming extremely short. So it feels more like euthanizing your old sick dog than anything.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

Honestly, if we're being realistic, almost none of these girls end up together, that's just not how high school relationships work out. Most series get around this by focusing on a single couple/pairing, because while MOST people don't pair up for life out of high school, SOME people do, and the story can just be about one of those without stretching plausibility.

By making a series set in a girls school with so many pairings, relationships, and prospective relationships, you're left with the dilemma of either making an ending where many of the couples end up with long term prospects but it feels contrived and false, an ambiguous ending where you do a graduation arc and maybe a couple of them get together but mostly it's just leaving everything up in the air, or a time-skip/class reunion ending where you find out most of them broke up or never got together, and a lot of them married guys, and then it feels pretty shitty.

So while this feels on the face like a wildly unsatisfying last chapter, I could also sympathize with Kishi-sensei's decision to just go "eh fuck it the end." And at first that's what this looks like, but then I think about Honoka and Elisha's story, and I think there's something a little deeper going on here.

I think the reason he gave Honoka and Eli an ending specifically was because out of everybody, they had THE MOST to overcome if they were going to end up together, with Eli being an exchange student and leaving the country after a semester. Many of these couples have a whole year or two together before they graduate, many of them might attend the same college, and even if they don't, they're still all in the same country, they could end up at the same company, or find themselves in the same town, etc etc. But Eli and Honoka are going to have a literal ocean between them, and until the very end there it's kinda ambiguous if they're actually that committed or if they're just playing around. The fakeout in the ending where you start off thinking they fell out of touch works because honestly it would feel very real if they did. So the message here is:

"Look, we all know not all these girls are gonna get together, and I'm not going to dash your dreams by telling you which of your faves didn't work out. So instead of giving everybody an ending and deciding it for you, look, look here: The couple with the most obstacles is happily living together in quasi-marital bliss happily writing manga together, probably about Thomas Jefferson taking it in the butt from Tokugawa Ieharu. If they made it work, whose to say your favorite couple didn't?"

And y'know, I think that's probably about the best compromise between realism and narrative that you could probably do for a series like this.

I agree with everything you say.

But, but . . . no more MahiMahi . . . sob

joined May 23, 2013

The author has been tired of the manga for years, as shown by chapters being replaced by minichapters and the few "chapters" becoming extremely short. So it feels more like euthanizing your old sick dog than anything.

He suffers from a serious kidney disease, which is probably why he's missed some deadlines and draws much less stuff for social media than he used to. I don't think the final HonoEli story arc is the work of someone sick with their creation.

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joined Sep 6, 2023

The couple with the most obstacles is happily living together in quasi-marital bliss happily writing manga together, probably about Thomas Jefferson taking it in the butt from Tokugawa Ieharu. If they made it work, whose to say your favorite couple didn't?"

this made me LOL, I can totally see them writing that hahaha. but honestly, great analysis! I definitely agree ^.^

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joined May 30, 2022

I really enjoyed the experience of reading the series over the years but the ending was sadly unsatisfying.

Pfft....It's funny to me that I spent like 10 minutes crafting a comment talking about how the ending feels, and in the middle of it, here comes a post from somebody who uses the exact phrasing I used to describe a hypothetical dissatisfied reader.

:P I've read your crafted paragraph and I think it a good take on the ending.

Enanano
joined Oct 16, 2020

i thought we'd get some grand ending after all these years but i guess this works as well, all things end well

Bald
joined Jul 26, 2019

Wow, has it really been that long? What a ride. Thanks to Kishi-sensei and Chads for bringing this incredible series to us.

joined Mar 8, 2016

Honestly, if we're being realistic, almost none of these girls end up together, that's just not how high school relationships work out.

I absolutely agree with your whole post, but personally I feel that, while it wasn’t necessary to show that all the pairings worked out long term, it would have been wonderful to give them all present-tense closure - a confession, a kiss, a sex scene, as befits wherever they are in their relationship and what Kishi-sensei felt like drawing.

Maybe they aren’t going to (or shouldn’t) grow old together, but at least they (and we) would always have that moment/memory of their school romance blooming.

For those of us who have spent 15 years caring about these characters it just… would have been nice.

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joined Sep 21, 2020

Seems fitting to end on these two however it also feels strange that we get no kind of closure on other couples or even these two, just a normal interaction these two would normally have… and that’s how it ends? Well at the very least I can take solace in knowing Elisha and Honoka live happily together in the future.

last edited at Sep 16, 2025 3:41PM

joined May 23, 2013

would have been wonderful to give them all present-tense closure - a confession, a kiss, a sex scene, as befits wherever they are in their relationship and what Kishi-sensei felt like drawing.

I'd argue most of them do have moments like that, they just happened earlier. If nothing else, the Electric Kisses chapter put everyone on kissing terms with their best girl. Well, aside from Onibi and Nao.

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