Always kind of baffled by the people who hate this series so much, but are still so endlessly obsessed with it.

why would you be baffled still? This happen with every bad manga on this site.

Good way to passively and sneakily badmouth this manga while responding to a comment of someone "baffled by the haters".

Guess I'll spit my hatred too : I hate this manga. But for all I care I'm pretty pleased to see an anime adaptation of it; it's opening the perspective of more animated yuri in the future.

why would you be baffled still? This happen with every bad manga on this site.

Good way to passively and sneakily badmouth this manga while responding to a comment of someone "baffled by the haters".

If you have every read any of my comments (ever) you'd know that I don't need to be passive nor sneaky about it:
This manga is shit-tier soap opera garbage with bland one-dimensional characters.

But hey, I am not telling you not to like it.

Hating on NTR has become cliche at this point. At the end of the day people who like it are the ones who win in this situation, since we are getting an anime.

While some people may see the positive's in an anime adaption of NTR, I really can't. The reason why being that I feel that this anime will taint the image of Yuri in anime. Seeing how this is the first MAJOR Yuri anime, This anime will probably be exposed to many people who haven't seen a single Yuri anime that doesn't have queer-baiting or subtext. So I fear that when they see this, They'll assume that all Yuri anime should be like this. That would fucking suck.

People who will assume that Yuri sucks because of NTR are probably very few and don't have critical thinking at all.
Besides I really doubt a lot of non Yuri fans will watch this. It's not a story that can appeal to a broader audience, since there is nothing else besides romance/lewdness between girls.

It's really an exaggeration to blame a single anime for the falling of a specific genre.
And it's not as bad as some people are making it to be. It's not the antichrist or anything lol.

There aren't enough anime adaptations of yuri series. If I could choose a series to be turned into an anime, it wouldn't be this one. But that's not how it works. Netsuzou Trap clearly offers some kind of unique appeal that many people find fascinating, or at least that's what the publisher seems to think. Pinning the hopes of an entire genre on a single series is ridiculous, especially one like this that is a clear and obvious outlier. No one is going to watch this and then assume that every single work of yuri is a convoluted, melodramatic soap opera about girls secretly cheating on their boyfriends, especially when basically every other yuri anime has a complete absence of male characters.

That is the issue with yuri. It is such a niche that if it is not marketable to other people than just yuri fans, it won't ever work out. Trap has the advantage of having male characters otaku can self-insert into and thanks to this experience having those girls as waifus/girlfriends or in place of Fujiwara, being the third part to threesome with lesbians, so I think that is the reason. Also if shoujo mangas taught me anything, jps love their soap opera, melodrama trash.

That being said we also got Citrus adapted which is a totally pure yuri story without any cheating, ntr etc. While I consider quality of Citrus to be terrible, it is a hugely popular manga in jp (from what I remember I last heard about it) and since it also heavy relies on typical shoujo drama cliches, I can understand why. So even if Trap is getting adapted we do have some counter weight to it with something more pure. I could give tones of other examples what I'd prefer they had adapted instead of those 2 mangas, but it clearly seems they didn't because they considered they just wouldn't work. Whatever right or wrong, we will never know.

Remember that "lighter" Yuri is not that rare. For example, Shuumatsu No Izetta was not Yuri but is had undertones as subplot for the main protagonists.
There was also Ange Vierge and even that anime with Kokona and Papika that I'm forgetting the name right now, New Game etc etc only in one year. "Yuri" on a lighter tone is not that rare.
The thing is, those were not a serious confirmed Yuri series.

On the other hand, when things start getting real, people complain. Be it for the presence of males, or for the character of the girls not being the purest and perfect souls.

Whether we like it or not, Yuri is not meant to be a popular genre. It cant be as popular as the rest of shonen types of anime.
So NTR giving a bad name to Yuri is really not an issue imo.
And I seriously doubt how much of an appeal the male characters in this particular situation are able to have to attract a bigger audience. Their roles are not the type of male characters that appeal to the female otakus. It would make more sense that Fujiwara and Takeda would attract male audience with a "gay girl being with a guy" fetish instead.

MacySan posted:

The thing is, those were not a serious confirmed Yuri series.

That is the issue. They are never confirmed so they can still be straight and waifus material. Adapting actual yuri where girls are canonically lesbians and won't suck your off is the most dangerous move a publisher can make. That is the reason some animes that are clearly yuri are still not confirmed as one because they are afraid they will lose interest/sales once they will go that 1 more step. So w/e I think about quality of those works, they are still a big thing because they are at least marketed fully as a yuri show. Let's be honest, unless it is explicitly said/confirmed, nobody takes those subtext series seriously and as a canonically yuri show but just subtle. Hell some people here don't take them seriously and bash at them at every occasion (cough Maid Dragon cough).

On the other hand, when things start getting real, people complain. Be it for the presence of males, or for the character of the girls not being the purest and perfect souls.

I agree and I said it before. I sometimes feel like yuri fans don't actually want yuri unless it is exactly made the way they want it to be made and appeal to them in the manner they like the best.

And I seriously doubt how much of an appeal the male characters in this particular situation are able to have to attract a bigger audience. Their roles are not the type of male characters that appeal to the female otakus. It would make more sense that Fujiwara and Takeda would attract male audience with a "gay girl being with a guy" fetish instead.

That is exactly what I just said.

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I agree and I said it before. I sometimes feel like yuri fans don't actually want yuri unless it is exactly made the way they want it to be made and appeal to them in the manner they like the best.

I think that's the actual issue here. Feels like Yuri fans will complain to a much greater extend than, lets say yaoi.
And they are destroying their own community by not accepting or supporting anything that is not to their taste.

I'm not saying they have to like something they don't. Just not try to destroy it either.
I have series I dislike too, but won't go to their threads to constantly remind them why that story sucks.
We can't expect Yuri to grow with the help of non Yuri fans, while the people who are actually interested to the genre will always find something they don't like.
And I'm also not referring to series like Kuzu no Honkai or whatever its name is, that actually treats Yuri in a very negative way.

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The ones that say they hate NTR, secretly like it, they just don't openly admit it, I mean, I sometimes go around and say how much I dislike it, but I do like the series, even though there are a few things about the series that make me scratch my head in confusion.

The ones that say they hate NTR, secretly like it, they just don't openly admit it, I mean, I sometimes go around and say how much I dislike it, but I do like the series, even though there are a few things about the series that make me scratch my head in confusion.

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Okay, enough with the dumb gifs. Use your words.

A picture is worth a thousand words
I just heavily disagree with Mustang's comment though. I don't understand why you would think that disliking something would mean that you secretly like it, While there are a few cases where that's true I doubt it would be the case for expressing dislike for a manga.

A picture is worth a thousand words
I just heavily disagree with Mustang's comment though. I don't understand why you would think that disliking something would mean that you secretly like it, While there are a few cases where that's true I doubt it would be the case for expressing dislike for a manga.

I'm assuming the meaning was that vocally disliking something (as opposed to disliking it and simply ignoring it unless asked) was a sign of secretly liking it, which makes slightly more sense - why bother complaining about something you could easily ignore? Still, it doesn't seem like a generally applicable characterization. I love complaining about things I dislike and often go out of my way to do so, and I assume others are similar.

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/235741
Anime will premiere July 5th. It's a short anime, ~10 min per episode. OP song is "Blue Bud Blue" by 東城陽奏. There will be a DramaCD (voiced by the cast from the anime) attached to the Special Edition of the "Netsuzou Trap" Vol. 5 (release date, July 18th).

I think it was obvious this will end up as a short anime judging by the studio's portfolio. And not enough material to adapt. Well, too bad for those who were waiting for the NTR anime.

At least Citrus will most likely get a full-length episodes.

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https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/netsuzou_trap_ch05#6
I mean, Hotaru's forceful also...but I guess she's a girl, so she's a bit more gentle

Chapter 20 raws.
I'm not sure if this manga is getting better or worse.

It's just different from the normal way to cute for your own health yuri it's some heavy drama. It's fine I mean it's has a fan base and they like it so who are we to judge.

Well after this chapter I'm almost convinced Fujiwara has actually a crush on Takeda. Because he sent that picture to everyone after he saw Takeda hugging Yuma. Plus his face when he saw them seemed like jealousy.

Damn this is gonna be a real mess now. I really hope they don't become target of homophobic students now.

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I feel upset now. triggered

Okay. This is really funny.

Imagine being the voice actress of an echhi anime and having to play it cool and laugh it off when it comes to these scenes. Like oh, it's not embarrassing at all that i recorded all those weird noises

Imagine being the voice actress of an echhi anime and having to play it cool and laugh it off when it comes to these scenes. Like oh, it's not embarrassing at all that i recorded all those weird noises

They are professionals. Seiyuus for porn anime are well known, well paid and wouldn't get embarrassed at something like this. They are actors.

But they can *pretend* to be embarrassed if it titillates the otakus and make them buy the thing.

Imagine being the voice actress of an echhi anime and having to play it cool and laugh it off when it comes to these scenes. Like oh, it's not embarrassing at all that i recorded all those weird noises

They are professionals. Seiyuus for porn anime are well known, well paid and wouldn't get embarrassed at something like this. They are actors.

It's actually pretty funny parallel, because a lot of mangaka first publish doujins mostly about sex and get scouted by publisher. The same as a lot of seiyuus first starts from voicing characters in hentais and then as they get better and possibly learn about industry more, they swap to normal shows.

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Chapter 20 : Oh my...

shit hit the fan. And Fujiwara is an ass and Takeda is an idiot. He plays the good guy too much. As for Hotaru, I don't know. I'm sure she has her circumstances, but why is she so intent on hurting Yuma?

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