Being a woman is different from being a manga heroine.

The people arguing that the protagonist of this manga is not a (trans) girl have resorted to arguing that no manga character is a woman. Truly this thread has produced heretofore unseen wonders.

That's not my point. I'm saying that wanting to be recognized as a woman, biologically, psychologically and socially is different from wanting to be a idealized fictional figure.
A girl who wants to be Superman doesn't want to be a man, but the fictional superhero

Your comments remind me of the webtoon I Want To Be A Cute Anime Girl where the main character initially insists that she does not want to be a girl, just an anime girl.

Jokes aside, the closest I get to sympathizing with the plausibly-deniable haters on here is that I'm really not into forcefem stories in general. I suppose by the strictest definition, though, this is one -- and the MC being broadly deeply in favor of those changes right from the get-go helps a lot in making it palatable, rather than it coming off like slow torture the MC begrudgingly accepts over time (so, yeah, not a hard guess where I sit on the cis-trans scale here).

Well, there is a strain of forced feminization stories that are created by trans women. The protagonists in these are often trans girls/women (initially) in denial. (I like the one that's about how the feminizing torture basement provides better transition care than the UK's National Health Service, though that one is considered a "deconstruction".)

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I only know of Dorley through shitposts but they are p. funny shitposts

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So........where is the yuri???

It's incredible how nothing can ever be about trans women, not even when it's about a trans woman.

So basically "Please bully me, Miss villainess" but the main character is a boy?

So basically "Please bully me, Miss villainess" but the main character is a boy?

Person who has only read "Please bully me, Miss villainess", reading their second school life fantasy: Getting a lot of 'Please bully me, Miss villainess' vibes from this...

Being a woman is different from being a manga heroine.

The people arguing that the protagonist of this manga is not a (trans) girl have resorted to arguing that no manga character is a woman. Truly this thread has produced heretofore unseen wonders.

That's not my point. I'm saying that wanting to be recognized as a woman, biologically, psychologically and socially is different from wanting to be a idealized fictional figure.
A girl who wants to be Superman doesn't want to be a man, but the fictional superhero

Jhonathan, are you transfem? Because if not, I ask that you don't argue with transfems about what it means to be a trans woman. For the record, "wanting to be an idealized fictional figure" is extremely often the precursor to wanting to be a woman biologically and/or socially (I have no idea what you might mean by "psychologically a woman"). There's an entire webtoon about this even. Furthermore, your point is completely irrelevant because the protagonist explicitly wants to be a woman (not "recognized as") biologically -- see here and here -- as well as socially -- see here and here.

"There's an entire webtoon about this" truly the most reliable source, next someone is gonna send me a fanfic explaining the history of medical transition.
I'm not defining what it means to be trans and it wasn't my intention to deny the journey or experiences of anyone. However, it's important to remember that we as a society and the medical community have definitions for what it means to be trans, in the same way we have definitions for what it means to be cis, straight, gay, lesbian,bi an so on. I bet you also would take issue if a story where the characters undergoes medical transition said that this character is cis.
The character doesn't show a desire to be a woman in those panels, again it's idealization.
In future chapters this idealization can come to become dysphoria or a desire to be a female, but right now it didn't

Being a woman is different from being a manga heroine.

The people arguing that the protagonist of this manga is not a (trans) girl have resorted to arguing that no manga character is a woman. Truly this thread has produced heretofore unseen wonders.

That's not my point. I'm saying that wanting to be recognized as a woman, biologically, psychologically and socially is different from wanting to be a idealized fictional figure.
A girl who wants to be Superman doesn't want to be a man, but the fictional superhero

Your comments remind me of the webtoon I Want To Be A Cute Anime Girl where the main character initially insists that she does not want to be a girl, just an anime girl.

Jokes aside, the closest I get to sympathizing with the plausibly-deniable haters on here is that I'm really not into forcefem stories in general. I suppose by the strictest definition, though, this is one -- and the MC being broadly deeply in favor of those changes right from the get-go helps a lot in making it palatable, rather than it coming off like slow torture the MC begrudgingly accepts over time (so, yeah, not a hard guess where I sit on the cis-trans scale here).

Well, there is a strain of forced feminization stories that are created by trans women. The protagonists in these are often trans girls/women (initially) in denial. (I like the one that's about how the feminizing torture basement provides better transition care than the UK's National Health Service, though that one is considered a "deconstruction".)

While a nice webtoon, I don't think we can use it as a guide for what it means to be trans. We can end up reinforcing gender norms or limiting gender exploration. If being trans becomes something related not to the internal identity of an individual, but instead to their tastes and preferred forms of expression, then we would need to say that some ways of being are less and more feminine/masculine,and I don't think anyone here or anywhere else wants to do after we spent so much time arguing and showing that gender is a construct.

I'm not defining what it means to be trans and it wasn't my intention to deny the journey or experiences of anyone. However, it's important to remember that we as a society and the medical community have definitions for what it means to be trans,

"I'm not defining what it means to be trans. That said, here's a definition of what it means to be trans: whatever a bunch of cis doctors think."

The character doesn't show a desire to be a woman in those panels, again it's idealization.

The character's ideal self is a beautiful girl, which means the character wants their self to be a beautiful girl. As a comparison: "NBA players are so cool" is idealization; "My ideal self is an NBA player" is wanting to be an NBA player. The protagonist just doesn't think it's possible for them to be a girl due to internalized transphobia. But the desire is blatantly there.

However, it's important to remember that we as a society and the medical community have definitions for what it means to be trans,

If we are to take this forum thread as a representative sample, it appears society is in near-unanimous agreement that Hikaru is a trans woman.

I'm not defining what it means to be trans and it wasn't my intention to deny the journey or experiences of anyone. However, it's important to remember that we as a society and the medical community have definitions for what it means to be trans,

"I'm not defining what it means to be trans. That said, here's a definition of what it means to be trans: whatever a bunch of cis doctors think."

The character doesn't show a desire to be a woman in those panels, again it's idealization.

The character's ideal self is a beautiful girl, which means the character wants their self to be a beautiful girl. As a comparison: "NBA players are so cool" is idealization; "My ideal self is an NBA player" is wanting to be an NBA player. The protagonist just doesn't think it's possible for them to be a girl due to internalized transphobia. But the desire is blatantly there.

If you've seen my earlier spoiler comment, the character has an even more blunt discussion about this in chapter 9 (of at least the Coolmic long comic version) and this person denies that too. I don't think there's much point in discussing with them after that. It's not going to get anywhere.

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If you've seen my earlier spoiler comment, the character has an even more blunt discussion about this in chapter 5 (of at least the Coolmic long comic version) and this person denies that too. I don't think there's much point in discussing with them after that. It's not going to get anywhere.

You're right, sometimes I just can't help myself lol. Looking forward to chapter 5 :)

If you've seen my earlier spoiler comment, the character has an even more blunt discussion about this in chapter 5 (of at least the Coolmic long comic version) and this person denies that too. I don't think there's much point in discussing with them after that. It's not going to get anywhere.

You're right, sometimes I just can't help myself lol. Looking forward to chapter 5 :)

It's chapter 9. I made a mistake and updated my comment but you quoted so quick lol But yeah. That conversation there is not something that's typical in series like this, and if even that doesn't count for them, none of these discussions will. No matter how the series progresses or what the intent was, that's a pretty straightforward chapter that frames the character pretty clearly. Now we'll just see how the rest of the series handles things.

And again, anyone can read ahead and reach that chapter Here on Coolmic, because maybe I'm crazy.

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Personally I'm hesitant to give money to a website that breaks up chapters into multiple parts to get more money and then as an alternative allows you to sign up for a bunch of sketchy data harvesting websites. I wouldn't be surprised if following the affiliate instructions involves installing secret cryptocurrency miners claiming to be a game and similar. That seems like a company I should be giving as little of both money and information about me as possible.

Maybe someone will be willing to step up to challenge your sanity in the mean time. It seems like jhonathan is biased by the idea of assumed transgender characters being used to regulate acceptable gender expression (ie, if a boy likes feminine things it means they can't really be a boy). This isn't an entirely unreasonable fear, especially if they or someone they knew encountered attitudes like this, but it seems like a non-story bias coloring the interpretation at least as much as trans readers identifying with the MC.

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sounds interesting

I'm not defining what it means to be trans and it wasn't my intention to deny the journey or experiences of anyone. However, it's important to remember that we as a society and the medical community have definitions for what it means to be trans,

"I'm not defining what it means to be trans. That said, here's a definition of what it means to be trans: whatever a bunch of cis doctors think."

The character doesn't show a desire to be a woman in those panels, again it's idealization.

The character's ideal self is a beautiful girl, which means the character wants their self to be a beautiful girl. As a comparison: "NBA players are so cool" is idealization; "My ideal self is an NBA player" is wanting to be an NBA player. The protagonist just doesn't think it's possible for them to be a girl due to internalized transphobia. But the desire is blatantly there.

Without noticing you agreed with me . Wanting to be like an NBA player isn't the same as wanting to be another individual or change identity, it just means that you want to express yourself and look like an idealization.
His ideal is a beautiful fictional girl, not a girl. He doesn't want to be a girl, he wants to be a pure attractive female character who exists in a cute world and enjoy all the perks of being cute and maidenly. It's not a matter of identity, but expression

However, it's important to remember that we as a society and the medical community have definitions for what it means to be trans,

If we are to take this forum thread as a representative sample, it appears society is in near-unanimous agreement that Hikaru is a trans woman.

If there was a consensus this forum thread wouldn't be 7 pages long and filled to the brim with people disagreeing

However, it's important to remember that we as a society and the medical community have definitions for what it means to be trans

Lol, that "medical community" that's dominated by cis people that gatekeeps us from accessing crucial HRT drugs (and sometimes even puberty blockers) unless we repeat cis people's stereotype of "what transgender is like"? Yeah, sure, of course nobody knows "what trangender is like" and "what's the best for a trans person" better than cis people! /s

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His ideal is a beautiful fictional girl, not a girl. He doesn't want to be a girl, he wants to be a pure attractive female character who exists in a cute world and enjoy all the perks of being cute and maidenly.

You do not decide what is and is not representative of trans experience, because you are not trans. There is no debate to be had, because you do not have lived experience. It's time for you to stop talking here.

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Please for the love of God ban jhon he's just a bigoted troll

Please for the love of God ban jhon he's just a bigoted troll

That account was created in 2016 but all comments are made in the last 48 hours, and all 11 comments are in under this manga's comment section.

Gee, that seems so strange, I wonder why? (rhetorical)

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@ jhonathan

I really don't see why you're suddenly posting on such an old account to debate trans identity, but I see no value in letting you keep posting

Please for the love of God ban jhon he's just a bigoted troll

That account was created in 2016 but all comments are made in the last 48 hours, and all 11 comments are in under this manga's comment section.

Gee, that seems so strange, I wonder why? (rhetorical)

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Please keep this thread on subject.

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I don't get it, this isn't a trans manga. I think about wanting to be a woman and in a lesbian relationship all the time, but that doesn't make me trans.

I don't get it, this isn't a trans manga. I think about wanting to be a woman and in a lesbian relationship all the time, but that doesn't make me trans.

Yeah, I only fantasize about being a woman the normal amount.

I don't get it, this isn't a trans manga. I think about wanting to be a woman and in a lesbian relationship all the time, but that doesn't make me trans.

I wish to be born a woman and/or killing myself just the normal amount