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Palmfire

July 2, 2020 4:57PM

joined Jul 1, 2018

Ooo nice interpretation there! I think the biggest thing to look out for at this point is whether or not the characters are messing around or being truly serious about how they feel. Maybe it’s because Kaede is in here; where her character has her written into a box: she’s the energetic airhead, where in reality she’s afraid to be alone, and is very perspective of others. In her case, she’d probably just laugh at herself if she was put into a hard situation, or she would do whatever she could for the other person, neglecting her own feelings (as she did with pushing Koyuki and Konatsu closer together, even though it objectively raises the chances of Konatsu leaving her)

You’re right about the setup for leaving for university, but I still feel that it’s further down the road than we think, the first objective is Koyuki having cram school every day in matsuyama over the summer. I feel like it’s more like a trial period for the two, how will they make this coming summer work out? We’ve only seen them hangout on non school related business ONCE, what will they talk about? I think a very interesting point in this manga is that we don’t really hear what they talk to each other about besides the few lines Konatsu says regarding her dad. If I were to compare to Yagakimi, it’s like 1/3 of that manga is spent on talking on the way home. Even in citrus: we see Yuzu only talking about mei to Taniguchi (tho citrus had a slew of characterization issues regardless).

Just as a little side note: it’s really cute that Konatsu says that it’s rare for Koyuki to call, even though we all know she’d love to call konatsu all day

Looking at the ending interaction on ch 28 I can’t help but think that konatsu is trying to distance herself from Koyuki. You made a good point: the dad coming in was set up for us to see how konatsu had grown, and reassures is that she will be ok with Honami leaving, however this interaction makes me feel like she wants to distance herself from Koyuki. “I have to concentrate on myself right now””If I came to you for advice I feel like I would lose my nerve” This line especially seems contradictory to her development, as we know that she herself has confirmed to be fine apart from who she loves, yet in Honami’s case, she can’t be. Foreshadow for more development later?? The fact that she erases “frog” from the survey: I can’t help but think that she knows she wants to be with Koyuki but she is stopping herself from doing so. Maybe it’s an internal response to chapters 21 and 21: where she kept stating that she was being selfish. I don’t really think that Konatsu’s character arc is over yet, I mean if we were to put in a serious diagnosis of her having depression or something, it’s not something that just goes away. With her father, she got really sad about him leaving but then forced herself to be optimistic. With Koyuki, it appears that her being wants to be attached but she is forcing distance. Now this could be for one of two reasons: She's doing this for herself, so that she won't be as sad, and she is trying to gain some independence from her senpai, or (which I think is the real reason) She is trying to make it easier for Koyuki to leave. We get an interesting flashback at the beginning of the chapter; Konatsu obviously didn't have anyone she considered a friend (the girls she spoke to her referred to her as Amano), but her dad assumes she has some, and ask if she told them about the move. She lies and says yes. It appears that Konatsu was emulating a little bit of Kaede here, as she lied to her dad about having friends to reassure him that she wasn't feeling lonely, and she lied about telling them that she was leaving. I speculate that this would be so that the move would be easier for her dad. She reassures his choice by telling him that it was his dream, and he should go for it. I see massive parallels with Koyuki. Konatsu states that she doesn't have anything she wants to do, unlike her senpai, establishing the fact that Koyuki has dreams. Learning about her massive move, it would appear to be more in character for her try and make Koyuki feel less pain, rather than making her move harder. Personally, given how indebted she feels to Koyuki, I really wouldn't put it past Konatsu to say something that would put distance between them, so Koyuki wouldn't stop herself from leaving, or would feel less homesick. This is a stretch though, but I can't help but think about this occurring given Konatsu's actions having a pattern of not lining up with her emotions. I way say that sign of growth would be Konatsu not going along with this method, although it begs the question of why the author chose that specific flashback.

As for the analogy, I do agree that I'm sure this arc's literary allusion will have to do more with moons and less with amphibians, but I still think that it is an interesting speculation, granted that their roles have flipped multiple times in this series.

Back to ch 28. It's obvious that Koyuki even called Konatsu in the first place because she couldn't stand not seeing her for two days. She states that nothing is wrong, and then... "Well seventh period dragged longer today so I couldn't come to the club." Big hint that Koyuki is missing Konatsu, where Konatsu replies abruptly that there's nothing she can do about it. Once again, putting distance between them. If Konatsu really wanted to get closer, she would have said something along the lines of "Yeah I was missing you at club too. It was lonely without you." Which something like this would be plausible for her character. She then interrupts Koyuki to talk about how she also got the survey. I feel like she may even be discouraging or preparing herself for they inevitable breakup. rather than healthily confronting her feelings: "You're leaving, but it's oaky because this distance won't break us up." It appears that she is tying to mentally prepare herself for what is to come, Like prepare for a life where she can't have her senpai all to herself or be with her all the time. People do this often. When they feel like someone is leaving, they try to make distance to save both parties pain, or they learn to cope with the distance. Konatsu has done both within this series; but it becomes harder to understand why.

When Honami says her infamous line, she isn't blushing or being dorky as she would be expected to be, rather her face is a little indifferent, maybe this confession is her way of trying to close the distance that konatsu is attempting to create. I will say that it would be to jarring to go straight into an acceptance of a confession. I mean, I already find Konatsu's behavior odd, and Koyuki not being a dork, where she was clearly so when Konatsu picked up the phone. I truly don't think that they would spring into a romance immediately.

for what it's worth, I've seen the author stream a few times (her oldest streams might still be up) and the scene for the next chapter takes place at the beach. The most interesting picture that she spent most of the stream on was a full page of Koyuki and Konatsu standing on the beach, Konatsu turned away from Koyuki, with her hand up. I'm not sure whether this is negative or positive. This Ould be the stereotypical "I'm shy so I can't say what I want to say to your face" Move, or a heavy "I don't want to hear any more of this. Idk, it just made me look forward to the chapter more.

Lastly, I understand your point about the back story, the author really has been particular about what she reveals to the reader, as there isn't a lot of pandering with the characters: the delivery of information is very minimalistic , as if this is actually a much longer manga, and she's picking out the most important parts and condensing the rest into backgrounds and implications through character interactions. Sometimes I really just want to see everything. As a reader I'm really curious as to why Konatsu is the way she is, is it because of some tragic backstory as with all manga, or is she really just a depressed high schooler who can't seem to make true friends? Honestly I'd love to know anyones's thoughts on anything Iv'e said, I really want to see the story from different perspectives, mostly because there are many routes this way can go, with what we are given.

I'd also like to make a point that isn't related to previous posts much. Remember that girl who was about to drink in ch 24 ish ? She's the same girl from chapter 2, and from Kaede's chapter. Her character is very interesting, almost as though she is a reflection of who Koyuki wants to be. She's the one who invites Honami out to eat; she's the one who see's Honami out and is shocked to see that Honami can be normal too. It alway appeared to me that Honami was jealous of this girl, or that she was put to be how Honami would have been if EXPECTATIONS were stacked on her. Even so, when asked for a drink, Honami wants to order an Oolong... oolong what? granted her usual conservative nature, the reader can assume that in reality, she just likes to drink tea rather than soda, but this girl orders an oolong hardball. It was probably at this point where Honami really gained a truer sense of self, that she saw this girl that she may have been envious of or a societal role model to, and she realizes that that image she yearned for isn't truly who she wants to be.

Ah, sorry for going on a tangent again.

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