How the fuck do you make it to your 30s without ever seemingly encountering the notion of empathy. This really is the thinnest pity party excuse, isn't it

I feel like this woman is going to baby her way out of every crime she committed... and honesty, if it feels funny as heck, then she succeeds, I will let that pass, if it feels lazy as heck, then this story is wrecked.

Personally I feel bad for Hana.
Not that I'd put up with her shit, but it must be terrible to be her.

Also sociopathy is a disorder where you can learn to manage it. Japanese society however is very wink wink nudge nudge closed off read the room, so without direct punishment for poor behavior, she's not going to really think about it, especially if she's just living her life like any old normie. People don't normally think that hard about what they're doing I think. She's not even doing weaponized incompetence here, she went up to Hikaru and asked directly. You guys are weird.

last edited at Mar 3, 2026 9:00PM

I found that intensely sad. (I also buy it, she does seem like the type of person people would just ghost. They probably think she doesn’t care, and she probably didn’t until everyone was gone)

I would feel like this too IF NOT FOR all the crimes she committed to Hikaru, played a super confusing game at Hikaru face, booked a trip yet never came without any notice, without any apology, kissed a married woman?

There is something more in this woman's head.

you know the reason "playing games" is so infuriating is because you don't know wtf is happening or why, right?

It's not even effective for manipulation. Don't assume malice where incompetence will do.

Basically, what we have here is the typical "Perfect Girl feels empty because everyone loves her -superficially- but no one really knows and/or likes her true self and everyone who said they loved her felt disappointed because she wasn't perfect as they expected and left" with Hikaru being the first to accept her.

I'm such a sucker for this trope so I'm still highly enjoying what this series is putting out and I still love this loser of a woman (like Hikaru ^_^)

I mean I'm not the type to see this type of behavior in fiction as autism, sociopathy, etc. I'm not opposed to that reading, but it's not my thing.

I get that her behavior irl would be sociopathy, but within the story it's not, it's mainly tropes to show that someone is lonely, she is superficially liked, have a "stoic" personality so she inadvertently hurts people but she suffers the most, etc. It's not a bad cliche or anything, but it's obviously being used to easily resolve the conflict without having to do too much, Hana didn't realize her behaviour was bad and Hikaru will now be the understanding party.

This is only my opinion, I still like the manga, I just feel disappointed with the character.

Basically, what we have here is the typical "Perfect Girl feels empty because everyone loves her -superficially- but no one really knows and/or likes her true self and everyone who said they loved her felt disappointed because she wasn't perfect as they expected and left" with Hikaru being the first to accept her.

I'm such a sucker for this trope so I'm still highly enjoying what this series is putting out and I still love this loser of a woman (like Hikaru ^_^)

Me too, same with “Beautiful girl gets bullied for being beautiful” lol
The specific reason why Hana's reaction is anticlimactic to me is not because of the kiss, the ring, etc. but because she left Hikaru on read and didn't go to their date, that one it's too intentional to play it with “I didn’t know I was hurting you”. If Hana hadn't done that, her reaction would make perfect sense to me and I would be eating this up too!

last edited at Mar 4, 2026 8:48AM

Basically, what we have here is the typical "Perfect Girl feels empty because everyone loves her -superficially- but no one really knows and/or likes her true self and everyone who said they loved her felt disappointed because she wasn't perfect as they expected and left" with Hikaru being the first to accept her.

I'm such a sucker for this trope so I'm still highly enjoying what this series is putting out and I still love this loser of a woman (like Hikaru ^_^)

Me too, same with “Beautiful girl gets bullied for being beautiful” lol
The specific reason why Hana's reaction is anticlimactic to me is not because of the kiss, the ring, etc. but because she left Hikaru on read and didn't go to their date. If Hana hadn't done that, her reaction would make perfect sense to me and I would be eating this up too!

How can Hikaru accepts the true Hana, while she does not know that girl AT ALL? She has fantasized about her for years, almost never interacted with her when they were younger, and now that she is back, they barely had a real conversation and Hana has been nothing but trouble for her.

I like that trope as well. I do understand that being really beautiful comes with its downside as well, one of them being that most people are interested in you only superficially. But that's also the case for Hikaru. She has made nothing to get to know her, or understand her. She is just there because of a crush she had 15 years ago. This is also superficial...

last edited at Mar 4, 2026 5:29AM

I can't find myself to understand that woman at all ..like AT ALL

Next two chapters have got to have some CRAZY plot twist in it, especially after hearing about the ending spoiler. Doesn't seem like there's much time left for character development. If I had to guess how this is going to turn out, I'd guess they're both a lot more psycho than we thought

True there better be a crazy plot twist LIKE GROUND BREAKING EARTH SHATTERING TWIST

last edited at Mar 3, 2026 10:03PM

I can't find myself to understand that woman at all ..like AT ALL

I feel like she doesn't understand herself (or others) at all either.

I'm not really sure what's happening anymore, but I'll suspend my judgement for now because I have the feeling this will be story you have to read twice: once to be confused, and a second time to see how your interpretation of the events change with knowledge of the end.

So at the current state it's like reading the sentence "The complex houses married soldiers and their families." but the final part is missing so you're still stuck on the initial parse that failed but lack the info to correct it.

Anyway, Saoshika best boy. I think we need an entire series told from the series of a pet in perpetual state of confusion at its owner's gayness.

Basically, what we have here is the typical "Perfect Girl feels empty because everyone loves her -superficially- but no one really knows and/or likes her true self and everyone who said they loved her felt disappointed because she wasn't perfect as they expected and left" with Hikaru being the first to accept her.

I'm such a sucker for this trope so I'm still highly enjoying what this series is putting out and I still love this loser of a woman (like Hikaru ^_^)

Me too, same with “Beautiful girl gets bullied for being beautiful” lol
The specific reason why Hana's reaction is anticlimactic to me is not because of the kiss, the ring, etc. but because she left Hikaru on read and didn't go to their date. If Hana hadn't done that, her reaction would make perfect sense to me and I would be eating this up too!

How can Hikaru accepts the true Hana, while she does not know that girl AT ALL? She has fantasized about her for years, almost never interacted with her when they were younger, and now that she is back, they barely had a real conversation and Hana has been nothing but trouble for her.

I like that trope as well. I do understand that being really beautiful comes with its downside as well, one of them being that most people are interested in you only superficially. But that's also the case for Hikaru. She has made nothing to get to know her, or understand her. She is just there because of a crush she had 15 years ago. This is also superficial...

I think you are misunderstanding my comments (and/or didn’t read my previous ones)

Basically, what we have here is the typical "Perfect Girl feels empty because everyone loves her -superficially- but no one really knows and/or likes her true self and everyone who said they loved her felt disappointed because she wasn't perfect as they expected and left" with Hikaru being the first to accept her.

I'm such a sucker for this trope so I'm still highly enjoying what this series is putting out and I still love this loser of a woman (like Hikaru ^_^)

Me too, same with “Beautiful girl gets bullied for being beautiful” lol
The specific reason why Hana's reaction is anticlimactic to me is not because of the kiss, the ring, etc. but because she left Hikaru on read and didn't go to their date. If Hana hadn't done that, her reaction would make perfect sense to me and I would be eating this up too!

How can Hikaru accepts the true Hana, while she does not know that girl AT ALL? She has fantasized about her for years, almost never interacted with her when they were younger, and now that she is back, they barely had a real conversation and Hana has been nothing but trouble for her.

I like that trope as well. I do understand that being really beautiful comes with its downside as well, one of them being that most people are interested in you only superficially. But that's also the case for Hikaru. She has made nothing to get to know her, or understand her. She is just there because of a crush she had 15 years ago. This is also superficial...

I think you are misunderstanding my comments (and/or didn’t read my previous ones)

This was more targeted towards the first comment and second comment in the chain of respond than yours. I could have removed yours from the chain actually.

Basically, what we have here is the typical "Perfect Girl feels empty because everyone loves her -superficially- but no one really knows and/or likes her true self and everyone who said they loved her felt disappointed because she wasn't perfect as they expected and left" with Hikaru being the first to accept her.

I'm such a sucker for this trope so I'm still highly enjoying what this series is putting out and I still love this loser of a woman (like Hikaru ^_^)

Me too, same with “Beautiful girl gets bullied for being beautiful” lol
The specific reason why Hana's reaction is anticlimactic to me is not because of the kiss, the ring, etc. but because she left Hikaru on read and didn't go to their date. If Hana hadn't done that, her reaction would make perfect sense to me and I would be eating this up too!

How can Hikaru accepts the true Hana, while she does not know that girl AT ALL? She has fantasized about her for years, almost never interacted with her when they were younger, and now that she is back, they barely had a real conversation and Hana has been nothing but trouble for her.

I like that trope as well. I do understand that being really beautiful comes with its downside as well, one of them being that most people are interested in you only superficially. But that's also the case for Hikaru. She has made nothing to get to know her, or understand her. She is just there because of a crush she had 15 years ago. This is also superficial...

I think you are misunderstanding my comments (and/or didn’t read my previous ones)

This was more targeted towards the first comment and second comment in the chain of respond than yours. I could have removed yours from the chain actually.

Oh ok! but the first comment is also mine(and is part of a more long one). I was describing a common trope not denying or affirming if Hikaru was being superficial or not (although the story is telling us that she is not, because instead of leaving her like the others, she is confronting her)

Most of her behaviour might scan for oblivious and vaguely self-absorbed, with or without specific mental disorder explanations. But I remember that one scene with her and the husband. He was unhappy, and I believe worried she would hurt Hikaru, and the response was something like "What are you gonna do about it?"

That isn't ignorance. That's "I know I'm gonna fuck shit up and I don't care". So no, I don't buy an ignorance excuse. She's either being written as lying or self-contradictory, or the manga itself is inconsistent.

It's such a trip to watch someone on this forum get upset on behalf of a husband character because his wife will supposedly leave him or cheat on him in a later chapter. I wonder if it's a first. Ohsawa Yayoi might be breaking new ground in ways she doesn't even know.

kind of brings me back to good old Netsuzou Trap again. though I'm not sure anyone was ever rooting for Yuma and Takeda to be endgame, I think the consensus was largely just that Takeda deserved better than to be caught up in that mess

I honestly think this is pretty interesting writing. The first six chapters never show Hana's perspective, which builds her up as a mysterious, confident antagonist. The first time we do actually get to see her inner thoughts, she's confused and clearly misread the situation, which just makes her pathetic and immature instead. It feels very true to how real people seem like they're in control at first but are really just messed up inside

this is about how I feel as well. I really enjoy when I feel like a series successfully bait and switches me. we very much view Hana from Hikaru's lens of her to start with - which is to say, we build up a very strong idea of her while really knowing nothing about her at all.

about Hikaru's obsession with Hana despite not knowing her, I feel like what Hikaru is attached to is the feeling of adrenaline she gets from her attraction to her. I don't think that this is necessarily a wrong feeling of 'love,' but it's certainly one that's easier when it's about something other than a person. being in love with the rush of performing, or rock climbing, or something like that. I can sort of understand it intellectually, but I can't totally relate. for me, I think that feeling afraid of someone and feeling unsafe with them, the way Hikaru currently does with Hana after getting jerked around by her, really quickly leads to any feelings of love dying off. but characters don't have to feel exactly like I do, and it's more interesting sometimes when they don't.

this isn't uncommon on this site, but it really struck me reading through the comments on this manga how many of the discussion points that come up are about tropes and trends, and not about the content of the manga itself. stuff like "the pressures of comphet and small town culture clearly forced her to marry him," "Hikaru will be the only one to understand Hana and love her for the real her," not to say that I think there's no validity to these things as speculation, but we really haven't seen them on the page at all?

Basically, what we have here is the typical "Perfect Girl feels empty because everyone loves her -superficially- but no one really knows and/or likes her true self and everyone who said they loved her felt disappointed because she wasn't perfect as they expected and left" with Hikaru being the first to accept her.

I'm such a sucker for this trope so I'm still highly enjoying what this series is putting out and I still love this loser of a woman (like Hikaru ^_^)

Me too, same with “Beautiful girl gets bullied for being beautiful” lol
The specific reason why Hana's reaction is anticlimactic to me is not because of the kiss, the ring, etc. but because she left Hikaru on read and didn't go to their date. If Hana hadn't done that, her reaction would make perfect sense to me and I would be eating this up too!

How can Hikaru accepts the true Hana, while she does not know that girl AT ALL? She has fantasized about her for years, almost never interacted with her when they were younger, and now that she is back, they barely had a real conversation and Hana has been nothing but trouble for her.

I like that trope as well. I do understand that being really beautiful comes with its downside as well, one of them being that most people are interested in you only superficially. But that's also the case for Hikaru. She has made nothing to get to know her, or understand her. She is just there because of a crush she had 15 years ago. This is also superficial...

I think you are misunderstanding my comments (and/or didn’t read my previous ones)

This was more targeted towards the first comment and second comment in the chain of respond than yours. I could have removed yours from the chain actually.

Oh ok! but the first comment is also mine(and is part of a more long one). I was describing a common trope not denying or affirming if Hikaru was being superficial or not (although the story is telling us that she is not, because instead of leaving her like the others, she is confronting her)

To each their own opinion, but I really don't get how you are reading that is not superficial. She is not going because she wants to confront her. "I can't resist the urge to see her" by her own words. If Hikaru had make the effort to confront her herself, that would be different (and even then, that would be quite light imo), but she has been passive all long, not confronting her when she stood her up, nor when she kissed/bite her. She is just attached to an old mental image of Hana, that she can't get over it.

Most of her behaviour might scan for oblivious and vaguely self-absorbed, with or without specific mental disorder explanations. But I remember that one scene with her and the husband. He was unhappy, and I believe worried she would hurt Hikaru, and the response was something like "What are you gonna do about it?"

That isn't ignorance. That's "I know I'm gonna fuck shit up and I don't care". So no, I don't buy an ignorance excuse. She's either being written as lying or self-contradictory, or the manga itself is inconsistent.

Indeed, the way the character has been written so far, doesn't match her reaction in this chapter and the previous one. She was written as overly confident and knowing what she was doing. You don't get to play the dumb card when you are acting this way.

The way I can read her reactions though, is that she was playing the 'hard to get' game, as if she thought it was what Hikaru wanted her to do. I imagine, other people have been expecting that of her so far. And then, when Hikaru didn't react according to that play, she was confused. But girl, you are 35, not 15. That's cute for teenagers, not for adults.

Or maybe, she is just schizophrenic lol that'd be a good explanation as well, as it looks like two different persons.

last edited at Mar 4, 2026 9:38PM

well that was an underwhelming conversation

Most of her behaviour might scan for oblivious and vaguely self-absorbed, with or without specific mental disorder explanations. But I remember that one scene with her and the husband. He was unhappy, and I believe worried she would hurt Hikaru, and the response was something like "What are you gonna do about it?"

That isn't ignorance. That's "I know I'm gonna fuck shit up and I don't care". So no, I don't buy an ignorance excuse. She's either being written as lying or self-contradictory, or the manga itself is inconsistent.

god i hope she's lying. if the manga suddenly comes up with "oh she's just oblivious!" i'll... well i won't do anything but it will be extremely disappointing. please don't drop the ball!

What a fucking waste of time. This chapter made me angry. Like, that's it? It was inevitable?

I've read stories with awful, toxic people in it, and there is something interesting when the story focuses on how those awful people tick, what gets them off, what drives them. This is just nothing. Nothing was learned, both women are awful, and that's it. I can't imagine what the next chapter will be, but it certainly won't change my mind on what a waste this whole manga was.

I guess it's over, then? I expected another chapter, I guess, but like... I guess that's that.

I guess it's over, then? I expected another chapter, I guess, but like... I guess that's that.

There's one more final chapter.

last edited at Mar 10, 2026 4:30PM

You fucking... Whatever. I was expecting something like that.
Vol.1 the author made us hate Hana and vol.2 "it wasn't her fault to be so mean UwU"

Well that was a let down.. That's it? I mean I expected her to leave with her anyway but how uneventful and disappointing lol.

Just, wow.

Literally threw everything away. I’m having trouble emotionally processing this.

We’ll likely see more chapters, as it doesn’t end on a “the end”. Yet, whatever comes after this will not be pretty.