ZZZZZZzzzzzz. We waited since October for this??????? It's done. I don't care about the academy, Mei or Yuzu. What a waste of our time waiting for this garbage! No hugs, no kiss, no romance. NO MORE!

Yuzu trying to get any affection out of Mei is like squeezing blood from a stone. Even if Yuzu says she’s happy, her needs are clearly not being met by Mei.

It’s just so frustrating to watch

It would mean she has fully taken over as chairwoman of Aihara Academy, leaving free to pursue her relationship with Yuzu without having to worry about whatever the board of her grandpa wants.

This so so unrealistic. Like, how old is Mei? 18 or so? That's way too young to fill such a position. She first needs to finish college, preferably get a degree or two in education, then perhaps teach for about at least 10 years before even considering such a position. In the meantime she could work on her relationship the the person she considers to be her wife.

Yuzu trying to get any affection out of Mei is like squeezing blood from a stone.

I'm not sure the author quite realizes how Mei's statement "I would rather you not feel as though you need concern yourself with supporting my work" actually sounds in this context.

I'm guessing it's supposed to be something like, "I don't want you to worry about me," but it reads more like, "I don't need your help."

It would mean she has fully taken over as chairwoman of Aihara Academy, leaving free to pursue her relationship with Yuzu without having to worry about whatever the board of her grandpa wants.

This so so unrealistic. Like, how old is Mei? 18 or so? That's way too young to fill such a position. She first needs to finish college, preferably get a degree or two in education, then perhaps teach for about at least 10 years before even considering such a position.

We don't yet know how things will shake out on that front and how responsibilities will be delegated. I doubt we get anything in-depth because that's not the kind of manga this is and would be irrelevant to most of its audience but we might get a note, or passing quote here or there. The only real relevance is Mei's accomplishing her personal goal and her and Yuzu's figuring out a balance between them as they move into the realities of adulthood (work, college, etc). Hopefully, we squeeze some Matsuri stuff in there too. I do wonder if this is the arc of Citrus+ since it's been building in the background of other arcs for a bit.

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ZZZZZZzzzzzz. We waited since October for this??????? It's done. I don't care about the academy, Mei or Yuzu. What a waste of our time waiting for this garbage! No hugs, no kiss, no romance. NO MORE!

I wish I could read the same manga all of you do. Sounds like a wild ride.

ZZZZZZzzzzzz. We waited since October for this??????? It's done. I don't care about the academy, Mei or Yuzu. What a waste of our time waiting for this garbage! No hugs, no kiss, no romance. NO MORE!

I wish I could read the same manga all of you do. Sounds like a wild ride.

That would require being able to tell the difference between a "Thanks Mom for giving me permission to go to the amusement park!" glomp-hug on the one hand and a mutual physical-intimacy hug on the other.

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That seems weirdly arbitrary and completely ignores the context in which the hug happened, but sure.

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That seems weirdly arbitrary and completely ignores the context in which the hug happened, but sure.

It seems "weirdly arbitrary" to me to interpret a transactional encounter like a request for and granting of permission like that one as somehow being a sign of a thriving romance, so I guess we're even.

It's been 6 months of waiting until the new chapter of "Citrus+" is released, are we really alive? lol (⁠~⁠_⁠~⁠メ⁠)

It's been 6 months of waiting until the new chapter of "Citrus+" is released, are we really alive? lol (⁠~⁠_⁠~⁠メ⁠)

Depends on how much other stuff you have to do other than read Citrus+ I guess. I, for one, feel kinda alive rn, and have averaged at more-than-decently alive throughout this 6 month period.

The return of the world's greatest uselesbian gaybies...it's great to be alive!!

Yuzu trying to get any affection out of Mei is like squeezing blood from a stone.

I'm not sure the author quite realizes how Mei's statement "I would rather you not feel as though you need concern yourself with supporting my work" actually sounds in this context.

I'm guessing it's supposed to be something like, "I don't want you to worry about me," but it reads more like, "I don't need your help."

True, I skim this every now and then and I'm sick of Mei. I don't need to be reminded of real life in an unserious manga like this...

Yuzu trying to get any affection out of Mei is like squeezing blood from a stone.

I'm not sure the author quite realizes how Mei's statement "I would rather you not feel as though you need concern yourself with supporting my work" actually sounds in this context.

I'm guessing it's supposed to be something like, "I don't want you to worry about me," but it reads more like, "I don't need your help."

True, I skim this every now and then and I'm sick of Mei. I don't need to be reminded of real life in an unserious manga like this...

Maybe it’s just a quirk of the translation, but in English the formulation “you need not concern yourself with” has big “mind your own business” vibes.

Yuzu trying to get any affection out of Mei is like squeezing blood from a stone.

I'm not sure the author quite realizes how Mei's statement "I would rather you not feel as though you need concern yourself with supporting my work" actually sounds in this context.

I'm guessing it's supposed to be something like, "I don't want you to worry about me," but it reads more like, "I don't need your help."

True, I skim this every now and then and I'm sick of Mei. I don't need to be reminded of real life in an unserious manga like this...

Maybe it’s just a quirk of the translation, but in English the formulation “you need not concern yourself with” has big “mind your own business” vibes.

The vibe I was going for was more "I don't want you to worry about me," and I wanted to be careful to avoid making it sound like "leave me alone, I don't need your help." That's exactly why I made a point to include the "I would rather you not feel as though you need to concern yourself" rather than just "I would rather you not concern yourself with supporting my work," in hopes of putting more emphasis on Mei's concern for Yuzu's feelings. I considered going a step further and making it "I would rather you not feel pressured to concern yourself with supporting my work" in order to make the intention clearer, but I ultimately decided that that strayed a bit too far from what was actually on the page. Sorry for the confusion!

Mei is also learning to open herself to Yuzu so is perfectly in character for her to unintentionally sound rude when she is actually just being too polite.

Yuzu trying to get any affection out of Mei is like squeezing blood from a stone.

I'm not sure the author quite realizes how Mei's statement "I would rather you not feel as though you need concern yourself with supporting my work" actually sounds in this context.

I'm guessing it's supposed to be something like, "I don't want you to worry about me," but it reads more like, "I don't need your help."

True, I skim this every now and then and I'm sick of Mei. I don't need to be reminded of real life in an unserious manga like this...

Maybe it’s just a quirk of the translation, but in English the formulation “you need not concern yourself with” has big “mind your own business” vibes.

The vibe I was going for was more "I don't want you to worry about me," and I wanted to be careful to avoid making it sound like "leave me alone, I don't need your help." That's exactly why I made a point to include the "I would rather you not feel as though you need to concern yourself" rather than just "I would rather you not concern yourself with supporting my work," in hopes of putting more emphasis on Mei's concern for Yuzu's feelings. I considered going a step further and making it "I would rather you not feel pressured to concern yourself with supporting my work" in order to make the intention clearer, but I ultimately decided that that strayed a bit too far from what was actually on the page. Sorry for the confusion!

For what's it's worth, I thought the phrase was inoffensive. The addition of "I would rather," and "feel as though you need to" did soften it enough. It's much different and less direct then the common "you don't need to concern yourself with [insert issue]." And even that phrase is all about it's delivery and context.

Considering the context of this scene, it feels clear Mei is managing her words and worrying about Yuzu. I didn't get involved in that particular discussion because it's a bit too specific. You can't please everyone though, so I agree with not twisting it too much for that purpose.

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For what's it's worth, I thought the phrase was inoffensive. The addition of "I would rather," and "feel as though you need to" did soften it enough. It's much different and less direct then the common "you don't need to concern yourself with [insert issue]." And even that phrase is all about it's delivery and context.

If anyone has said that the phrase was "offensive," it's news to me. But in idiomatic English, the phrase "don't concern yourself with" (as opposed to "don't worry about," say) almost always implies "butt out." As I said, I don't think that's what the scene is going for, though.

The fact is that Yuzu has been very explicit that her newfound academic diligence is all about equipping herself to help Mei in her work. Mei doesn't preface her reply with anything like, "I appreciate you wanting to help me but . . ," and her "Would it be all right to consider this matter resolved, then?" is perfect managerial-speak when dismissing an employee with an insignificant problem.

But in idiomatic English, the phrase "don't concern yourself with" (as opposed to "don't worry about," say) almost always implies "butt out

Yeah, that's what I was referring to as "offensive," meaning the phrase can seem offensive. It can cause an offense. I said I thought the phrase was "inoffensive," because of her word choices that differentiate what she said from the common offensive phrase--also considering the context of the scene. So we're repeating ourselves. We just disagree on how that scene reads, which is fine. As I said, everyone won't read these scenes the same. But I wasn't surprised when the translator explained the intent because their intent is what I already got out of the scene.

The fact is that Yuzu has been very explicit that her newfound academic diligence is all about equipping herself to help Mei in her work.

In 2 earlier responses, I briefly touched on my issues with this line of thinking from her. I disagree with how she's interpreting what supporting Mei should look like and Mei seems to feel the same.

and her "Would it be all right to consider this matter resolved, then?" is perfect managerial-speak when dismissing an employee with an insignificant problem.

The rest of Mei's response is a predictable part of her personality. I'm not surprised by her personality after all this time. She has her quirks but it's noticeable when she's attempting to be "softer." For someone else that might be dry but for her it reads a bit different. She'll always be like that. I can understand not liking that character type though. It's fine for me.

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Speaking if Yuzu wanting to help Mei, did I hallucinate or Yuzu has said she's aiming to be a teacher now?

The rest of Mei's response is a predictable part of her personality. I'm not surprised by her personality after all this time. She has her quirks but it's noticeable when she's making an attempt to be "softer." For someone else that might be dry but for her it reads a bit different. She'll always be like that.

Your lack of surprise at Mei’s personality is neither here nor there. Mei now reads as even colder and more distant when interacting with Yuzu than she has in the past, and certainly more so than in the original series. I see this as less a function of the supposed psychology of Mei the imaginary human and more about Saburouta’s current perfunctory approach to characterization—Yuzu shall be warm and bubbly while Mei is reserved and emotionally distant in order to show the contrast between them, and thus it shall ever be.

For every instance of Mei acting proactively affectionate toward Yuzu in Citrus+ we have had exponentially more scenes of Mei scolding Yuzu, putting her in her place, telling her that she should be doing or feeling something other than what she is doing or feeling (as happens here), or generally behaving as an authority figure (employer or strict older relative) rather than as a partner in a romantic relationship.

Readers desperate for some slight sign of actual intimacy between the MCs are free to read “softness” into Mei’s minimal and ambiguous facial expressions, of course.

Your lack of surprise at Mei’s personality is neither here nor there. Mei now reads as even colder and more distant when interacting with Yuzu than she has in the past, and certainly more so than in the original series.

I don't agree that she's acting much differently. While working on this major personal project, Mei is stressed and constantly busy throughout much of Citrus+ and Yuzu can be quite a handful. That is enough to explain a lot of her behavior. Even then, she has not been much colder to me and has made attempts to reassure Yuzu on numerous occasions. This period is just hectic for her. I can't say much more than that. Again, I don't think we'll see eye-to-eye on this one. Some certainly don't like this stretch--it's more focused on Mei's personal goal, rather than "sweet moments," etc.--but others do appreciate it.

Speaking of Yuzu wanting to help Mei, did I hallucinate or Yuzu has said she's aiming to be a teacher now?

I feel like she mentioned that but I haven't reread it.

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The rest of Mei's response is a predictable part of her personality. I'm not surprised by her personality after all this time. She has her quirks but it's noticeable when she's making an attempt to be "softer." For someone else that might be dry but for her it reads a bit different. She'll always be like that.

Your lack of surprise at Mei’s personality is neither here nor there. Mei now reads as even colder and more distant when interacting with Yuzu than she has in the past, and certainly more so than in the original series. I see this as less a function of the supposed psychology of Mei the imaginary human and more about Saburouta’s current perfunctory approach to characterization—Yuzu shall be warm and bubbly while Mei is reserved and emotionally distant in order to show the contrast between them, and thus it shall ever be.

Yeah, no kidding. Early Mei in the original is an absolute firecracker, but even after she's toned down a bit you can see it in their interactions in something like the date notebook chapters or when Yuzu ran for student council president. That Mei was vibrant and alive by comparison, hell she pushed Yuzu into a trash pile and basically told her to bring it. (The official TL from that one was great!) (https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/citrus_ch18#31). This new Mei doesn't even return hugs. Sad times.

It could also be just how less dramatic Citrus+ has been that the characters feel phoned in as well. I dunno, maybe the series is just sort of finished for Saburouta. If we're not gonna get fluff, then where's that sour punch that gives it it's namesake?? And why isn't yuri driving the plot?

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Again, I'm legit baffled at how you guys keep seeing Mei as cold, uncaring, and pushing Yuzu away, leaving her to do everything for their relationship when just in this chapter we had Mei openly address Yuzu's concerns and telling her everything about the Akamine business. We also had her going out of her way to find Yuzu a present in previous chapters.

The old Mei would've never been this open with Yuzu and she would instead use those showings of physical affection to make up for her shortcomings.

with MEI there is no longer a solution after 6 volumes. some will defend him it tooth and nail and for others it will continue to be an ice cube. no es que saboruota este haciendo mucho para que empaticemos con mei . . already It's been a while since citrus+ He left aside the Yuri and romance to become a manual How to succeed in Japanese work and business life . Greetings

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