Considering his hesitance to try out things like bras, I don't really see how that's to be taken as "he wants to be a girl." There's clearly no active desire to be one? He's probably some degree of genderfluid though. He seems more to me like Tanaka-kun from Listless than any other actual transfemme characters, since he just kinda "rolls with it".

That being said, it's of course fine to read into the story whatever you want, I just don't think this was ever the point of the manga and grasps too much at straws.

I did want to say that sharky boy looks like he has a big thing for Akizuki, he's kinda adorable. I don't think he needed to be affected by the genderbender as well tbh, but it'll probably go as Nya-chan said it would, smells like unnecessary drama to me but I'm hoping something fun will come out of it

Random little girl who is probably Shishizaki's little sister or cousin, no!!!

But yeah, this seems a bit much. I was already really interested in the relationship and story before adding a new guy geta turned into girl drama.

Did anyone else think of Akizuki being coded as neurodivergent when the bullies brought up how he doesn't look people in the eye and comes off as emotionless? I'm not saying that's true, but it felt like a possibility.

Also please don't reply that mangaka could never think in your "western" ways about non normal people. "The West" did not invent variations in people and it's pretty racist to imply all Japanese people can't have independent thoughts about being gay or autistic or anything b4 being shown it. But they also obviously have the internet, so.

Why majority of you are seeing male MC as trans woman?
This gender bender situation clearly shows that he is becoming trans man

I don't think any definitions are clear in this particular scenario. The way I understand it (I'm agender by the way), trans men are those who were assigned female at birth, but identify as male. So that wouldn't quite fit this particular character. At the same time, it would be strange to just call them a regular cis man during the body swap episodes, because their experiences aren't those of other cis men. You could call them a trans woman if it's revealed that they identify as female (meaning: assigned male, identify as female), but they wouldn't be a regular run off the mill trans woman either.

In essence, language falls short here, there are no words to describe this type of scenario.

I was going to address the "gender politics" thing but I guess other people already made very good arguments in that regard. Simply put, it's an internet forum topic about a gender bender story, you should expect discussions of gender. If you don't like this part of the debate you can simply ignore it. Talk about the stuff you're interested in, instead.

cecile posted:

I was going to address the "gender politics" thing but I guess other people already made very good arguments in that regard. Simply put, it's an internet forum topic about a gender bender story, you should expect discussions of gender. If you don't like this part of the debate you can simply ignore it. Talk about the stuff you're interested in, instead.

Tbh, I don't find this manga particularly interesting.

I didn't like that much their previous series (Koi to Uso) either. I dropped it at some point, because it was boring.

Their MCs are supposed made to be likable, but I just find them boringly "proper".

About the gender thing, the MC isn't a trans woman by any definition. It's not like he was uncomfortable being a guy before.

When you talk about a trans girl in manga, I would think about the MC of "Hourou Musuko". She was very obviously a girl from the start and I have no problems with that. It's a really good portrayal of a trans girl.

But here, it's not obvious at all. Take a "normal" person and change their gender by magic.Suddenly, they're supposed to have been wanting it all along?

It's the problem with "magic" genderbending. It's not a choice, it's imposed magically on the character. They just have to accept it.

Other manga have tackled the subject of "magic" gender change much more intelligently, like "Until I become me", or "Shishunki Bitter Change", where the change itself is not something natural for the characters and they struggle with it and their identity and it's the whole point.

Here, the MC is like "Oh, I become a girl when I kiss and it may become permanent. Okay. if I can be with my beloved I can accept that". Zero depth. I couldn't care less if they're a trans woman or just thoughtless.

When you talk about a trans girl in manga, I would think about the MC of "Hourou Musuko". She was very obviously a girl from the start and I have no problems with that. It's a really good portrayal of a trans girl.

Never read that one. It's about a kid, right? Is it any good?

I default to skipping stories where the entire focus is "a trans person's journey" because of all the stereotypes and violence. The very best portrayal of a trans kid I know is the movie "Tomboy", which wasn't even intended as a movie about a trans kid, but a lot of afab trans people relate to it. It's super cute. Is Hourou Musuko in that vibe, or does it veer too much into the stereotypes?

But here, it's not obvious at all. Take a "normal" person and change their gender by magic.Suddenly, they're supposed to have been wanting it all along?

It's ad hoc and silly, but it's not impossible. Not every trans person knows they're trans from the get go, some people only figure that out later in life. I was 22 when I figured out I was agender (actually, when I figured out agender was a thing at all), that's much later than our high school protagonist.

And when I read that line "getting to date you and becoming a girl, that's killing two birds with one stone" all I could think was "damn, that egg". But I'm not sure that's where this mangaka is going with this plot (probably not, right?)

Here, the MC is like "Oh, I become a girl when I kiss and it may become permanent. Okay. if I can be with my beloved I can accept that". Zero depth.

I wholeheartedly agree with you there. It's why I thought about dropping this series as well. Sticking around for now to see where this is going.

Mystery girl turned chainsaw man into chainsaw girl

cecile posted:

I was going to address the "gender politics" thing but I guess other people already made very good arguments in that regard. Simply put, it's an internet forum topic about a gender bender story, you should expect discussions of gender. If you don't like this part of the debate you can simply ignore it. Talk about the stuff you're interested in, instead.

Tbh, I don't find this manga particularly interesting.

I didn't like that much their previous series (Koi to Uso) either. I dropped it at some point, because it was boring.

Their MCs are supposed made to be likable, but I just find them boringly "proper".

About the gender thing, the MC isn't a trans woman by any definition. It's not like he was uncomfortable being a guy before.

When you talk about a trans girl in manga, I would think about the MC of "Hourou Musuko". She was very obviously a girl from the start and I have no problems with that. It's a really good portrayal of a trans girl.

But here, it's not obvious at all. Take a "normal" person and change their gender by magic.Suddenly, they're supposed to have been wanting it all along?

It's the problem with "magic" genderbending. It's not a choice, it's imposed magically on the character. They just have to accept it.

Other manga have tackled the subject of "magic" gender change much more intelligently, like "Until I become me", or "Shishunki Bitter Change", where the change itself is not something natural for the characters and they struggle with it and their identity and it's the whole point.

Here, the MC is like "Oh, I become a girl when I kiss and it may become permanent. Okay. if I can be with my beloved I can accept that". Zero depth. I couldn't care less if they're a trans woman or just thoughtless.

Your disinterest in the story is obviously coloring how you read it and how much you pay attention while doing so, because you're missing some pretty crucial details all throughout this latest chapter where the MC is constantly thinking about their gender and being nervous and experiencing new things. They even have a moment of gender euphoria after the bra scene.

While I can understand not being interested in a particular story for whatever reason, I don't understand continuing to read it and comment on it. For example, I find the zombie genre almost universally boring as dirt, it's all the same exact "man is the real monster" beats repeated forever. While I might occasionally give a zombie story a try when they're popular, I never bother actually commenting on them just to confirm to everyone "yeah this sucks and is boring I don't care if any of these people live or die". Because if somebody IS enjoying the zombie story, they probably want to have a discussion with people at the very least paying the same level of attention with the same level of investment to notice things so they can talk about them. If you don't care about something, why would you care enough to bother commenting?? Surely there's something else around that DOES spark your interest. Wouldn't it be better to go talk about that instead?

Gabinomicon posted:
If you don't care about something, why would you care enough to bother commenting?? Surely there's something else around that DOES spark your interest. Wouldn't it be better to go talk about that instead?

Sure, let's all circle jerk (or schlick, your choice) in peace and never interact in any meaningful way.

This is the internet man, you'll have to bear with opinions you don' agree with.

To comment on a manga and say it sucks (or rules) and why you think so, is what this forum is for.

Shutting down dissenters by telling them to go away is rude.

Gabinomicon posted:
If you don't care about something, why would you care enough to bother commenting?? Surely there's something else around that DOES spark your interest. Wouldn't it be better to go talk about that instead?

Sure, let's all circle jerk (or schlick, your choice) in peace and never interact in any meaningful way.

This is the internet man, you'll have to bear with opinions you don' agree with.

To comment on a manga and say it sucks (or rules) and why you think so, is what this forum is for.

Shutting down dissenters by telling them to go away is rude.

"Shutting down dissenters" LMAO, that's cute. It's a valid question to ask why you're even here and complaining about a work that seems to be going over your head.

E.g.: "Here, the MC is like "Oh, I become a girl when I kiss and it may become permanent. Okay. if I can be with my beloved I can accept that". Zero depth. I couldn't care less if they're a trans woman or just thoughtless."

That's not at all what happens. The MC is both visibly conflicted about it, and at the same time has an internal monologue about how they're telling a white lie. And add to that how they've spent three chapters now depicting the MC trying to process these rightfully confusing emotions and thoughts.

Are you paying attention? Is this a circle jerk, or are you just getting upset when people interact with you by asking you questions?

And I, as you, also figured out about myself later in life, simply not knowing for "possibility" until I saw first trans girl singing, changing voices from female to male, and it immediately clicked. All my pieces of puzzles fell into right places at once.

It's a funny feeling, right? Like "oh, dang". Gave me a week of anxiety and panic attacks (not fun), but it worked out in the end. I'm in a better place than I was before that.

(after mentioning "the frog" it gave me some idea. Do you (or anyone) find this story very similar to some modern version of Frog Prince, with a little different outcome of the kiss?)

Are you talking about a specific fairy tale or just the general concept of kissed frogs turning into princes?

While I can understand not being interested in a particular story for whatever reason, I don't understand continuing to read it and comment on it.

Oh god oh god okay... breathes. I'm not sure how long you've been on these forums, but this kind of is the rule more often than the exception. If it bothers you, then I beg you to never look at the forum threads for works by Momono Moto or the older ones by Kodama Naoko.

And I'm sorry that I don't know much about agender people, but I hope to learn more, and I will be interested in your future comments, especially about gender.

Hmmm... How can I explain this simply? Agender folks generally understand the concept of genders and say "no, thank you". I don't feel comfortable considering myself either gender. It doesn't suit me. So I can choose to dress however I want, and change my body to fit any image that makes me feel more comfortable (hormones and some surgeries are okay). I don't even tell people I'm agender most of the time (they can read me however they want, so long as they respect my preferred pronouns), but I'll never be comfortable saying "I'm a man" or "I'm a woman". I'm really neither.

Agender and bisexual. My motto is "if forced to choose, I don't."

uwuwu posted:

Gabinomicon posted:
If you don't care about something, why would you care enough to bother commenting?? Surely there's something else around that DOES spark your interest. Wouldn't it be better to go talk about that instead?

Sure, let's all circle jerk (or schlick, your choice) in peace and never interact in any meaningful way.

This is the internet man, you'll have to bear with opinions you don' agree with.

To comment on a manga and say it sucks (or rules) and why you think so, is what this forum is for.

Shutting down dissenters by telling them to go away is rude.

"Shutting down dissenters" LMAO, that's cute. It's a valid question to ask why you're even here and complaining about a work that seems to be going over your head.

E.g.: "Here, the MC is like "Oh, I become a girl when I kiss and it may become permanent. Okay. if I can be with my beloved I can accept that". Zero depth. I couldn't care less if they're a trans woman or just thoughtless."

That's not at all what happens. The MC is both visibly conflicted about it, and at the same time has an internal monologue about how they're telling a white lie. And add to that how they've spent three chapters now depicting the MC trying to process these rightfully confusing emotions and thoughts.

Are you paying attention? Is this a circle jerk, or are you just getting upset when people interact with you by asking you questions?

Why should I justify myself for being here and commenting? Do I ask you why you're here? Because you have opinions.

So do I and they're not the same as yours. I don't see what's complicated to infer here. Moving on to the manga now.

Sorry, but the MCs of this manga have as much personality as doorknobs, the magic gender change is just waved away as a "curse" and some people seem to think that "plot" is interesting because they somehow project on the MC's "conflict", when there isn't even much of one to begin with.

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Akizuki seems pretty obviously like a trans-esque character: if they really had a solid male identity, being turned fully into a girl temporarily would make them not want to do that again, and they'd especially flee when learning about the PERMANENT GENDER LOCK TO GIRL. No romance is worth lifelong gender dysphoria. Instead, Akizaki is anxious but also a fully willing participant and is growing to be comfortable with transition more and more. This is not a character tied to being a man lol. Actual men would not take this bargain. If you think you're a man and would take this bargain, you should discuss this with your therapist and start thinking deeply about your gender identity, because there might be some stuff about yourself you haven't realized before lol.

gotta disagree here. first off you have confused sex and gender its his sex changing not his gender. and second not everyone cares about gender. while it can be a strong one for some people gender is still just a made up social construct after all. just because someone has a dick or has a vagina doesnt mean they'll always like the same things/behave like each other after all.

i mean for most part the things people think are "manly"or "girly" are just interests/behaviours that are normally associated with that gender. doesnt mean a dude cant like pink or sewing or that a girl cant like football and working on cars.

anyway that kind of stuff may be important to you but that doesnt mean it is to everyone. and it doesnt mean someones trans because they dont care that much about whats between their legs.

im a big 6ft1 dude and would not really care at all if i turned into a girl. why? because it doesnt matter to me. im me no matter whats in my pants. if i wake up with a vagina im not going to be different as a person or in personality the only real change is i wouldnt be able to pee as easy and id need to buy bras. if i had a reason like in the story id 100% do it. that doesnt mean im trans or want to be a girl but ive just never attached any part of my identity to a stupid concept made up by soceity. i do still prefer being a man however the sole reason i prefer having a dick is because i dont want to deal with having periods.

Actual men would not take this bargain. If you think you're a man and would take this bargain, you should discuss this with your therapist and start thinking deeply about your gender identity, because there might be some stuff about yourself you haven't realized before lol.

wrong again buddy my dick is still attached with no desire to be a woman. oh wow its almost like gender is just a concept that not everyone cares about. also just really bad take dude. please learn that just because you think/place importance on something or think a certain way doesnt mean everyone else does.

Is this the TS Revolution prequel

Actual men would not take this bargain.
If you think you're a man and would take this bargain, you should discuss this with your therapist and start thinking deeply about your gender identity, because there might be some stuff about yourself you haven't realized before lol.

Please don't belittle struggles of people you don't know and question their identities, even as a joke.
Chances to hurt someone AND yourself are equal, just trust me I know what I'm speaking.

I don't think that it's reasonable to interpret the comment you've quoted the way you have. I don't think it's belittling. The thing to keep in mind is that there is actually a pretty large niche industry for writing transgender transformation stories like these. The vast, vast majority of the audience for these (or at least the only people I've ever seen open about engaging with that sort of content) are closeted and early or pre-transition trans people. That is, works like that were something they came upon earlier in their lives and it sparked a major realization leading to their interest in transition, though they may not read as much of it later on (some still do).

I've not engaged much with them personally because the majority of them seemed to have coercive components to the story that I found hard to enjoy. But I think for a lot of closeted people that's part of the appeal, in much the same way that a lot of cis women reading het romance stories find coersion part of the charm, as it gives them a way out of taking full responsibility for their horniness; just swap out a set of internalized misoogyny those cis women are working through while reading those books with internalized transphobia for the tg-tf audience.

But, at least for the purposes of this discussion, I'm a cis dude, so those stories never had much fulfillment for me in the first place. They're just kinda there, and leave a bit of an unpleasant aftertaste because of the way the fantasized coercion component play out. Not my bag.

The point is not that if you're finding the story compelling, you're obviously trans and should seek transition. It's that if the story speaks to you in certain ways it's worth figuring out what those reasons are, and working with people to help you on any journeys of discovery that might come along with it. The goal is not transition but a deeper understanding of what your own self-conception actually is, and that can't be done without exploring some ideas that might otherwise remain covered up in a bigoted society.

That said, it may not surprise you to hear that I'm in this one for other reasons. I find the narrative compelling because I think the idea of a romance where the leads have chemistry and one person is risking a lot, potentially making large sacrifices for the person he cares about, is interesting. What if he falls out of love -- how would his life change in regard to these sacrifices? What if that happens and he finds that the sacrifices aren't sacrifices at all, and for that matter isn't a "he" either? Will he only pursue the romance if there's a way to end the curse?

Like one potential reading of this story so far is that it's taking the sort of jokes made against those dumb chauvinist types -- the guys inspiring the rejoinders like "fellas, is it gay to have empathy toward and be romantically involved with a woman" on social media -- and taking it seriously, asking what love might be like if that's actually how it worked.

As the saying goes, to be loved is to be changed

there is actually a pretty large niche industry for writing transgender transformation stories like these. The vast, vast majority of the audience for these (or at least the only people I've ever seen open about engaging with that sort of content) are closeted and early or pre-transition trans people.

In my experience, the vast majority of the audience for transition movies is gay and pro-lgbt cis people. I mean, trans people are 0,3% of the population, we're rarely the target audience for anything. (even the drug industry doesn't manufacture drugs for trans people specifically, because we're rare and generally poor, so they ignore us).

That's part of the reason why most movies and stuff about trans people are so stereotyped and out of whack, because they're made by cis people for cis people, and these people don't really know what trans people are like outside of stereotypes (hence we get terrible stereotypes like the trans women in Transamerica and Danish Girl, to name a few).

The point is not that if you're finding the story compelling, you're obviously trans and should seek transition.

Oh no no no no. Bad advice. Never tell someone they should seek transition. That's the one decision people need to make on their own, without interference. Not everyone who transitions is happy. Not everyone who transitions can deal with all the shit life throws at us. It's a very individual process. Support them through the process, offer information if asked, but let them make the choice by themselves.

I honestly feel that my life is more worth living now than it was pre-transition, but do I miss the privilege of not having to hide my queerness in order to get a job? Damn right I do.

That said, it may not surprise you to hear that I'm in this one for other reasons. I find the narrative compelling because I think the idea of a romance where the leads have chemistry and one person is risking a lot, potentially making large sacrifices for the person he cares about, is interesting. What if he falls out of love -- how would his life change in regard to these sacrifices? What if that happens and he finds that the sacrifices aren't sacrifices at all, and for that matter isn't a "he" either? Will he only pursue the romance if there's a way to end the curse?

I agree. And sure, all of those questions are interesting. In my case I just like odd magical premises in stories about otherwise regular people. There's no projecting involved (that I can tell), and either way I think psychoanalysis is mostly bull.

As the saying goes, to be loved is to be changed

That's a cute saying. I like it.

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Well of this is what we are talking about then so be it

From my perspective the MC seems like a perfectly regular reserved boy. Who has neither shown any indication of not caring about genders nor being obsessed with them.

He lives with his grandpa and isn't very outgoing, desperately wants his romance to succeed, has a decent backbone, not used to being adventurous, bit of an overthinker.

Rather normal on most fronts

there is actually a pretty large niche industry for writing transgender transformation stories like these. The vast, vast majority of the audience for these (or at least the only people I've ever seen open about engaging with that sort of content) are closeted and early or pre-transition trans people.

In my experience, the vast majority of the audience for transition movies is gay and pro-lgbt cis people. I mean, trans people are 0,3% of the population, we're rarely the target audience for anything. (even the drug industry doesn't manufacture drugs for trans people specifically, because we're rare and generally poor, so they ignore us).

That's part of the reason why most movies and stuff about trans people are so stereotyped and out of whack, because they're made by cis people for cis people, and these people don't really know what trans people are like outside of stereotypes (hence we get terrible stereotypes like the trans women in Transamerica and Danish Girl, to name a few).

Movies, sure, but I'm thinking more in terms of short stories and interactive fiction (sorry for not being more clear about this) where there isn't much need for a large budget. It's much more feasible to be financially stable seeking an audience of mostly trans people. I agree that when we're talking about stuff that's working more mainstream you get the issues of stuff like misery/inspiration porn like that. (It's a certain kind of funny to consider that after The Danish Girl that Eddie Redmayne gets cast in the Harry Potter spinoff series and Rowling starts getting public about terfy opinions)

The point is not that if you're finding the story compelling, you're obviously trans and should seek transition. It's that if the story speaks to you in certain ways it's worth figuring out what those reasons are, and working with people to help you on any journeys of discovery that might come along with it. The goal is not transition but a deeper understanding of what your own self-conception actually is, and that can't be done without exploring some ideas that might otherwise remain covered up in a bigoted society.

Thank you, I'm glad someone understood what I meant :) I very specifically did not say "if you'd take this bargain you're trans," just that you've got some big questions to think about and to talk about, just like our MC in this manga. Our MC who probably is trans or genderqueer based on their surprisingly high degree of being comfortable being in a woman's body lol.
A very under-discussed aspect of sex and gender is hormones, they might be the single least publicly appreciated part of the whole thing. It's hormones that inform how your body develops in the first place, and there's various situations that can cause those hormones to be different than expected, resulting in cis women with XY sex chromosomes for example. A great indicator that someone might be cis is if that person is comfortable with their body's default hormonal environment that it internally produces and only that environment: When you give a cis person the "wrong" hormonal environment, they tend to have strong negative reactions to the feeling on a gut level. It's a relatively common experience that there's lots of testimony for, like cis men getting treated for prostate problems with T blockers, and they report feeling discomfort with it and tend to be weepy. This is also why those international sports decisions demanding certain women take hormones to change their body's natural hormonal environment is so unbelievably cruel, and many people realize that on an emotional level without even needing specific knowledge.
So when our MC is suddenly thrown from 100% male body to 100% female body type, and adapts really well to it and is pretty much stable? That tells us they've got at least a far more flexible relationship with gender on a gut level than a typical cis person. And sure, you can handwave that stable reaction as part of the "magic," but that's a boring and lazy idea. We can't just assume there aren't plenty of men in this setting for whom this kiss would be a nightmare just because it isn't a nightmare for the MC. If everyone who gets turned into a girl by this "curse" likes it, then it wouldn't be a "curse" at all.

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Movies, sure, but I'm thinking more in terms of short stories and interactive fiction (sorry for not being more clear about this) where there isn't much need for a large budget. It's much more feasible to be financially stable seeking an audience of mostly trans people. I agree that when we're talking about stuff that's working more mainstream you get the issues of stuff like misery/inspiration porn like that. (It's a certain kind of funny to consider that after The Danish Girl that Eddie Redmayne gets cast in the Harry Potter spinoff series and Rowling starts getting public about terfy opinions).

I think Eddie isn't too problematic in that sense? I remember hearing that he admitted, some time later, that he shouldn't have auditioned for the part in Danish Girl and that it should have gone to a trans person instead. He was also one of the people from the HP franchise who spoke out in support of trans folks when JKR started her public crusade against us.

I also remember hearing that the director for the Danish Girl auditioned a bunch of trans people but didn't feel that they had what he wanted, and that he only found it when Eddie auditioned. I suppose what he wanted was the stereotypes.

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(Actually, I would keep following this story just because of her, not because of male MC. Just sayin' to be known)

I too find her more interesting as a character than MC.

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like cis men getting treated for prostate problems with T blockers, and they report feeling discomfort with it and tend to be weepy

Idk, I've spent some of my university time in the oncology clinic, and I've never actually heard a cis guy with prostate cancer complain that ciproterone or goserelin made them weepy (or more emotional in any way). The chief complaint (and quite often the only complaint) is lack of an erection. (I'm not saying that hormones don't mess with your emotions, because many people who menstruate will argue that it does, and they'd be right. I just don't see it in this particular scenario).

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This is also why those international sports decisions demanding certain women take hormones to change their body's natural hormonal environment is so unbelievably cruel, and many people realize that on an emotional level without even needing specific knowledge.

That's a complicated question, and it's for a different reason than what you said. Speaking as a healthcare professional, requiring anyone to use a specific drug in order to compete in an event should not be allowed. It's iatrogenic. Drugs can have benefits, but they also carry significant risks. If a trans woman uses ciproterone to lower her testosterone, then goes on to develop liver cancer, how much of that is the olympics comittee's fault?

In defense of the sports people, it's a complicated decision for them to make too. There's a reason we can't abolish the men's and women's divisions in sport, besides all the sexism: testosterone is anabolic, and it offers an advantage in terms of muscle mass. If we choose to allow anyone to compete in any category based on self-identification, regardless of testosterone levels, you'll have cis women arguing that trans women have an unfair advantage in their sport. Many cis women already do that, but right now they're wrong. If you remove the testosterone restriction, they won't be.

Ok, so how about we abolish those gender divisions? Have everyone compete in the same category. That's not a bad idea. Except... cis women are generally banned from using testosterone to compete in those sports, but you shouldn't forbid trans men from using it (actually, I think they do forbid it...? but they really shouldn't), so you're going to have to allow any athlete to use testosterone, and -- naturally, given how competitive those sports are -- a lot of them will. That translates into a public health problem in the sports division.

So they choose to allow self-identification (good), but require your testosterone to fall in a specific range to compete in the women's category (bad). That discriminates against intersex cis women who have testosterone levels above the usual range. It is iatrogenic with trans women who are required to use testosterone blockers. But can you really change that rule without causing a whole heap of other problems?

See the issue? It is not simple.

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I don't care about the specific arguments for and against the sports shit and especially I don't at all care about the sanctity of "fair competition" compared to the rights of individuals to live and work in public without strangers fucking with their bodies. The example is purely about the potential emotional impact of forcing someone to change their hormones and generally their gendered aspects: most people know that's wrong on a gut level, even if they'd force it on other people. Even the transphobes think trans people are somehow "forcing" people to join them. The MC of this comic is forced to change their body by the "curse" and seems basically fine with it, which is an abnormal response (reread chapter two, the parents are pretty explicit about this, most people react extremely negatively). That tells us something about their character.
I could get into more details that convince me the MC is likely being intentionally written as a trans character, like all the details about their life as a "guy" especially, but those aspects are more vague and if people can't see it, then they can't see it. I've tried pointing that stuff out in the past and only other trans people tend to get it, unfortunately.

Movies, sure, but I'm thinking more in terms of short stories and interactive fiction (sorry for not being more clear about this) where there isn't much need for a large budget. It's much more feasible to be financially stable seeking an audience of mostly trans people. I agree that when we're talking about stuff that's working more mainstream you get the issues of stuff like misery/inspiration porn like that. (It's a certain kind of funny to consider that after The Danish Girl that Eddie Redmayne gets cast in the Harry Potter spinoff series and Rowling starts getting public about terfy opinions).

I think Eddie isn't too problematic in that sense? I remember hearing that he admitted, some time later, that he shouldn't have auditioned for the part in Danish Girl and that it should have gone to a trans person instead. He was also one of the people from the HP franchise who spoke out in support of trans folks when JKR started her public crusade against us.

I also remember hearing that the director for the Danish Girl auditioned a bunch of trans people but didn't feel that they had what he wanted, and that he only found it when Eddie auditioned. I suppose what he wanted was the stereotypes.

Agreed -- What I mean is that the stereotypes seems to be what people like Rowling must have taken away from it. A real indication for the doubters in the room that these bad stories can lead to real, negative consequences.

LOOOOL THAT WAS A HELL OF AN ENDING

also tsubakida is so into akizuki and now that he's turned into a girl it's so obvious what's gonna happen lol

edit: the fuck's going on in the comment bro??? what's people fighting for lol I'm trans and I think this manga speaks levels on a lot of issues related and does not harm anyone, so what's happening exactly?

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OH NO WHAT A TWIST