We don't have a tag for aro yet? could be a good opportunity to take that into consideration

Also I think the ending was ok, I enjoyed the series as a whole so the end doesn't bother me

Re: tags. Rio is into Matoi that way. By Dynasty’s standards that alone makes it yuri, full stop.

I don't think that applies here, since Rio is only a side character. Of course it would add to the argument that this still stands as a yuri work (as would the appearance of the lesbian couple), even if there is no conventional romance between the main leads, but it wouldn't define it as such. (The same way having a female side character crushing on the main female lead of a het romance wouldn't make that work yuri).

I personally don’t give much of an . . . anything whether a work is “really yuri” or not—those discussions are basically meaningless to me.

But traditionally on Dynasty the presence of one female-identified person who likes another such person “that way” and who knows it, and especially if the other person is aware of it, qualifies a series for the yuri tag.

I’m sure there may well be exceptions, but that is the way it usually works around here (and I think that is a very sensible attitude). [...]

This isn't really an answer to what I said though. My point was that Rio is a side character. She doesn't define the genre of the work, because her role in it is quite limited —heck, the author didn't even give her a proper conclusion.

My point is that in terms of Dynasty tags your point is completely irrelevant. Side character or not is meaningless. You, of course, are free to restrict your personal definition of yuri to only MCs or whatever else suits your fancy. I repeat, that’s not how it’s usually done around here.

I cited Rio because she in herself meets the standards for minimum active yuri ingredient for a Dynasty tag, so the dithering upstream about whether the MCs count as yuri is entirely beside the point—Dynasty has a standard, Rio meets that standard, and all the rest (which I agree is more than considerable) is excess to that standard.

EDIT: The fact that the author calls the story “yuri” would itself earn a Dynasty tag with as much woman to woman attraction as is found in Chapter 1 alone.

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I don't know if I want to punch a wall really hard right now or thank the world for giving us this story

Those two panels when they get home and you see they have different houses are quite the punch in the feelings...

My point is that in terms of Dynasty tags your point is completely irrelevant. Side character or not is meaningless. You, of course, are free to restrict your personal definition of yuri to only MCs or whatever else suits your fancy. I repeat, that’s not how it’s usually done around here.

I cited Rio because she in herself meets the standards for minimum active yuri ingredient for a Dynasty tag, so the dithering upstream about whether the MCs count as yuri is entirely beside the point—Dynasty has a standard, Rio meets that standard, and all the rest (which I agree is more than considerable) is excess to that standard.

EDIT: The fact that the author calls the story “yuri” would itself earn a Dynasty tag with as much woman to woman attraction as is found in Chapter 1 alone.

I realise I was mistaken about the tagging system, seeing how 14-sai no Koi, for example, is actually tagged as yuri, so that was my misconception. Thank you for your time and have a good day.

And, poor Rio. Does the author hates her or something?

Pretty much

My point is that in terms of Dynasty tags your point is completely irrelevant. Side character or not is meaningless. You, of course, are free to restrict your personal definition of yuri to only MCs or whatever else suits your fancy. I repeat, that’s not how it’s usually done around here.

I cited Rio because she in herself meets the standards for minimum active yuri ingredient for a Dynasty tag, so the dithering upstream about whether the MCs count as yuri is entirely beside the point—Dynasty has a standard, Rio meets that standard, and all the rest (which I agree is more than considerable) is excess to that standard.

EDIT: The fact that the author calls the story “yuri” would itself earn a Dynasty tag with as much woman to woman attraction as is found in Chapter 1 alone.

I realise I was mistaken about the tagging system, seeing how 14-sai no Koi, for example, is actually tagged as yuri, so that was my misconception. Thank you for your time and have a good day.

We're good. It's probably best to think of a Dynasty tag as simply meaning "trope is present" rather than as identifying the genre of a series--as you say, there's no doubt that yuri is present in 14-sai, although no one could ever coherently argue that the series itself "is yuri."

The more interesting categorical question remains, and will no doubt be raised much more often in the future--if yuri is defined as a romance genre, how do stories centered on aro-ace characters relate to that genre, and what kinds of stories will be possible going forward? And if romance is not inherent in the overall concept of yuri, what exactly is?

So even if this series is not entirely successful as a story, it definitely has advanced a conversation that's been waiting to happen.

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Dont know what you guys talk about, the ending was great both heart warming and fufilling
Feels like Qualia Purple again, gosh that's why I like introspective tag

That was pretty abrupt. The last chapter felt like half the length of the usual ones and didn’t really reveal much apart from the sister being married now. We already knew where things stood from the last chapter and nothing really changed, so it was more like a bonus “where are they now?” chapter except they left out Rio lmao. Shame, the slow pace and the atmosphere were the best things for me. I would totally be okay with like 10 chapters of virtually no plot progression just for the vibes this series gave. This would not be the first series on this site to end like this and it’s nowhere near the worst example.

I do wonder if this is a relationship that would last in reality, Matoi is holding on to quite literally an impossible love. Yuri has her emotional needs fulfilled but Matoi’s are not, honestly if Matoi were to move on and fall in love with someone else no one would really lose anything.

Reading the comments I'm getting a lot of allos mad Yuriko's aro/ace characterization was maintained and respected rather than being "cured" (I literally cannot think of a better word to use) of her aceness and realizing romantic feelings for Matoi.

I'm just glad they didn't really use it as a major source of drama or as something to be "fixed", which I'm only now really seeing is a... worryingly common trope... hmm...

Also ace QP relationship between two girls is still yuri cry about it

I'm not allo, I just thought the story was going somewhere different, which is my fault, but doesn't make me not aro/ace.

i thought Yuriko and annoying kuhai got together, i was scared for a sec

kyoani ahh relationship lmaooooooooooo

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Rio was completely forgotten and not even mentioned in this future, i feel bad for her.

Rio was completely forgotten and not even mentioned in this future, i feel bad for her.

agree

It's kind of funny. Some people are saying that the lack of romance as a driving factor in the story was a problem that made it boring or bad. That it didn't work because the author was trying to tell a non-romantic story within the framework of a romantic one.

The way I see it, it's not the lack of romance that's the problem. It's the lack of people's ability to comprehend a story without it. This is what normativity is about. Heteronormativity takes away society's ability to see gay as normal. Allonormativity takes away the ability to see ace and aro as normal. Obviously the people on this site would mostly see gay relationships as normal, but that's not what this story is about.

The author isn't "using the wrong kind of storytelling". The reader is, to put it plainly, expecting the wrong story. This has, from the very beginning, been a story about ace-spec people. The text is quite clear on that. At no point has it been anything else. The idea that there wasn't any payoff is built upon a pre-conceived notion of what the payoff would have looked like.

I was happy with the ending. It could have been better, but it wasn't bad. The only complaint I have is something many others have touched on: Rio was completely unmentioned despite being a pretty significant character. She was at least as important as Matoi's sister, that's for sure.

Regardless, I enjoyed myself. The afterword was fascinating. I had no idea that the meaning of "asexual" in Japan was more equivalent to aro ace in the west. I was a bit surprised the author knew there was a difference, but they seem to have put a lot of work into getting things right, so it makes sense that they'd know. I wonder if the author is ace-spec? I assume so, but I'd have to look into it to be sure.

Oh, also, it's definitely yuri. I don't know for sure if it should be tagged romance or not, but I'd say yes.

We need asexual and aromantic tags on dynasty. demisexual too, probably. That said, finding any media with ace-spectrum characters is nigh impossible, so there'd probably only be like...one or two things with those tags.

well, that's.... disappointing.

Beautiful and completely new side to romance for me. I'm sad but the ending as well as whole plot aren't disappointing one bit. I waited for every chapter and read it with joy. Thanks to author and the team. It was a great time. I'd read more from them)

I rly like this serie, tho I would like a bit better ending, without a big time skip... Feels kinda weird for me ( alone ending is nice tho)

Dang, as an AroAce, I appreciate the sentiment. But at the same time, I kinda wanted to at least see some more definite resolution at least for other characters like Rio. It was hard not to support her, but she wasn't mentioned once. Instead, we got a bitter end with her when she was left behind with no mention. I have a feeling this might've been axed?

well, that's.... disappointing.

I disagree. This is actually the "perfect" ending as it doesn't compromise the characters for cheap fanservice

I really enjoyed this one! It's very rare to meet topics like asexuality in yuri manga which made this one very refreshing.

Made an account to say this was trash. Change the tag.

Was the series axed? As much as I appreciate the ending where they don't really go against their set values I feel like it was just a tad bit rushed. And I'm really curious about Rio.... She was a great character and it's sad to see her go unmentioned at the end ESPECIALLY since she just got left in the dust :/

puts on forensics outfit ah yes, axe wounds, truly unfortunate, to see a series ended before it's time.

Ending rushed so fast they dropped Rio and didn't go back to pick her up.

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Reading the comments I'm getting a lot of allos mad Yuriko's aro/ace characterization was maintained and respected rather than being "cured" (I literally cannot think of a better word to use) of her aceness and realizing romantic feelings for Matoi.

Your mean Aro-ness dont you? Asexuality just relates to sexual attraction not romantic feelings.

I should really stop letting this bread sandwich of a series take up as much rent in my head as it's doing, but the drama in the discussion is much better than anything I was given in the story itself.