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I don't have an issue with people feeling like some of the content in the manga feels like bait, that line from Koyuki is probably the most blatant example. It's just that I've seen some people on mangadex complaining about the series not being yuri because they were led to believe so by the tags, as even before this change, I think it had the shoujo ai tag. That's being misled and it in turn leads to not giving the manga a fair chance because you go into it expecting something else.

Yeah, now the comments are going to be filled with how they were baited instead of commentary on the plot after next weeks chapter... unless the taggers know something we don’t.

The “moon is beautiful” thing really hurt a bit, though since she was imitating Konatsu’s dad, maybe she said it in a way that made it obviously a joke? Kinda like she says “Suprise!” In English in 28.2, a callback to Konatsu’s dad in 27.1 (I only found this out by looking at the raws)

OK, so unprotected hand-to-hand contact means nothing?

Pfft, kids these days, what with their "Netflix and chill," and their "friends with benefits," and whatnot . . .

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nettaigyo_wa_yuki_ni_kogareru_ch28_5#16

Yeah... I can't really explain that one lol. Maybe they just don't realize that they're madly in love with one another yet? Still waiting for the inevitable conversations about potential boyfriends to come up.

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They're not gay until they intertwine those fingers, which they will in twenty more chapters as a callback.

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They're not gay until they intertwine those fingers, which they will in twenty more chapters as a callback.

This.

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All in all, this manga feels like it's written by someone in an emotional state similar to the protagonists- entirely unsure of what they want to do or achieve, contemplating potential routes without taking more than a step in any direction, dithering and introspecting over the smallest things and running off on random tangents. It reminds me of shows or movies I've seen that were made by people who were explicitly grappling with anxiety or depression whilst working on their projects, and poured those feelings into their work, creating stories that weren't coherent or neat in any sense, but felt raw and genuine regardless. Ultimately, you can't stick labels on Nettaigyo, because it's about a pair of girls who're terrified of labeling anything, written by an author who seemingly dislikes confining themselves to categorisations and genre tags like 'Yuri'. It'd be much more at home in a bookstore with nothing to speak for it but the title and cover art, as opposed to manga websites that compulsively tag everything to give readers some semblance of order amidst a sea of titles. Whether you think this a failing on Nettaigyo's part to compete with better titles, or whether you simply think it's a victim of an industry obsessed with demographics and classification is, like everything else about the series, a matter of deeply subjective opinion.

I really think your post here encapsulates what a lot of us- at least I - love so much about this manga. Before anything else, this is a story about two teenage girls, putting that priority above all else makes sure that nothing is ever forced.The fact that you mentioned that this is a story about a pair of girls who are terrified to label anything just serves as proof for that. I mean, even they don't know what the heck they're doing, the author just isn't going to simplify a story, where its entire premise is on how complicated emotions are.

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All in all, this manga feels like it's written by someone in an emotional state similar to the protagonists- entirely unsure of what they want to do or achieve, contemplating potential routes without taking more than a step in any direction, dithering and introspecting over the smallest things and running off on random tangents. It reminds me of shows or movies I've seen that were made by people who were explicitly grappling with anxiety or depression whilst working on their projects, and poured those feelings into their work, creating stories that weren't coherent or neat in any sense, but felt raw and genuine regardless. Ultimately, you can't stick labels on Nettaigyo, because it's about a pair of girls who're terrified of labeling anything, written by an author who seemingly dislikes confining themselves to categorisations and genre tags like 'Yuri'. It'd be much more at home in a bookstore with nothing to speak for it but the title and cover art, as opposed to manga websites that compulsively tag everything to give readers some semblance of order amidst a sea of titles. Whether you think this a failing on Nettaigyo's part to compete with better titles, or whether you simply think it's a victim of an industry obsessed with demographics and classification is, like everything else about the series, a matter of deeply subjective opinion.

I really think your post here encapsulates what a lot of us- at least I - love so much about this manga. Before anything else, this is a story about two teenage girls, putting that priority above all else makes sure that nothing is ever forced.The fact that you mentioned that this is a story about a pair of girls who are terrified to label anything just serves as proof for that. I mean, even they don't know what the heck they're doing, the author just isn't going to simplify a story, where its entire premise is on how complicated emotions are.

While the author's online comments do invite speculation about their ultimate authorial intention, I myself don't particularly feel the need to read this in terms of inferences about the author's state of mind. And I certainly do perceive why this story could be frustrating to readers who are focusing on plot development, on romantic progress, or on clear yuri-genre signaling.

I personally value this series as a change of pace from standard yuri stories, where any number of self-insights that these characters gain could be the entire point of the endgame--Koyuki realizing how lonely she is and finding a friend who helps her to open up, for instance. But here the story really explores how such insights will lead to new situations (if not precisely "problems") that require the characters to figure out new ways of being in the world. And I do think one can infer the author's commitment to developing the story in their own particular way (as opposed to those stories that seem to wander around without a real sense of purpose).

I wouldn't want every genre series to take this approach, but this one has been interesting and (so far) satisfying.

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We have this conversation every month, and every month it basically all reduces to a question of how much you like a slow burn (I do, quite a lot) and how much you trust the author to respect established character dynamics even without a bespoke genre label (I've yet to see a reason not to).

Personally I don't see any reason to think of Nettaigyo as being any slower or less gay than the likes of Adachi And Shimamura, tbh - and the fans seem perfectly happy with that series right now. Granted Nettaigyo doesn't have a character like Adachi whose inner monologue always makes her intentions very clear, but I don't think it's fair to hold that against the series when it's very clear that Konatsu and Koyuki just aren't wired to think that way, and that aspect of their personalities is and always has been a big part of the point of the series.

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Raws are out and looks like we were right about everything :)

Edit: ALMOST everything

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While the author's online comments do invite speculation about their ultimate authorial intention, I myself don't particularly feel the need to read this in terms of inferences about the author's state of mind. And I certainly do perceive why this story could be frustrating to readers who are focusing on plot development, on romantic progress, or on clear yuri-genre signaling.

I personally value this series as a change of pace from standard yuri stories, where any number of self-insights that these characters gain could be the entire point of the endgame--Koyuki realizing how lonely she is and finding a friend who helps her to open up, for instance. But here the story really explores how such insights will lead to new situations (if not precisely "problems") that require the characters to figure out new ways of being in the world. And I do think one can infer the author's commitment to developing the story in their own particular way (as opposed to those stories that seem to wander around without a real sense of purpose).

I wouldn't want every genre series to take this approach, but this one has been interesting and (so far) satisfying.

I agree with you here. The authors state of mind probably doesn't play to much into a story like this, and often times we can completely ignore it (There are some cases, like with Evangelion for instance, that state of mind of the creator can reveal many new themes and aspects of a rather straightforward story, but I do not believe this is one of those cases). I really just think that this is a coming-of-age story at its finest; you can try to categorize specific chapter arcs or character motivations, but all of that lies within the bigger scope of taking a piece of these character's lives and presenting it to us. I'd like to reiterate that point that the previous poster made; you really can't label something that was never meant to or intended to have one.

We do seem to have this conversation every month, but every time someone brings up a new perspective that makes it never seem boring or redundant lol

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We have this conversation every month, and every month it basically all reduces to a question of how much you like a slow burn (I do, quite a lot) and how much you trust the author to respect established character dynamics even without a bespoke genre label (I've yet to see a reason not to).

That's probably a legitimate take, although I don't think the conversation here has been just repetitive--for me it's also interesting to watch readers (besides the "kiss already, or I'm outta here!" folks) thinking through the author's recognizable but slightly unconventional approach to this material. EDIT: Or, pretty much what Palmfire said.^

There is that issue of the thematic boundary between "girls who discover that they like another girl in a very, very special way" and "girls who discover that they want to kiss and get naked together."

Some stories are about breaching that barrier, while others are clearly determined never to do so, while others hold off on giving clear signals about the matter one way or the other. Some readers run out of patience with the latter category sooner rather than later--I tend to take them on a case-by-case basis, and I'm fine with this one.

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Raws are out and looks like we were right about everything :)

Edit: ALMOST everything

Can I ask for a link or at least a hint where to find them? I had no idea they were available. Not that it's usually a concern given how lightning fast Hachimitsu Scans are.

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Raws are out and looks like we were right about everything :)

Edit: ALMOST everything

Can I ask for a link or at least a hint where to find them? I had no idea they were available. Not that it's usually a concern given how lightning fast Hachimitsu Scans are.

I gotchu

https://www.facebook.com/LaDiosadelLirio3.0/photos/pcb.193356835633520/193355855633618/

I'm always contemplating reading the raws because the translation comes out so fast there really isn't a need to, but this time I REALLY couldn't help myself. In the process of google translating a few lines that caught my eye lol

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Yeah I actually bought this month's dengeki maoh off ebookjapan to take a peek, lol

Looks like good stuff, looking forward to the TL.

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There is that issue of the thematic boundary between "girls who discover that they like another girl in a very, very special way" and "girls who discover that they want to kiss and get naked together."

You can usually tell the latter is the case when one of the girls go "Wow her eyelashes are so long/pretty/any kind of obscure description of eyelashes lol. One thing thing that I find so interesting and novel about this manga is the lack of these rather tropey predictable physical descriptions. The most we get out of this manga is one calling the other "cute" and the other (Most of the time Koyuki) completely fizzing out. It's kind of a nod towards how "underdeveloped" or " innocent" their minds are in that aspect, where evaluation of physical characteristics are never in an sexual or creepily detailed way If you've read Urasekai Picnic you would know that about 30 percent of the text is spent on how beautiful Toriko's " " is

Looking at how these two characters started with zero earnest social skills or friendship knowledge, it'll probably be 20 more chapters before Koyuki realizes that Konatsu's ponytail hits different than Kaede's.

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I'm always contemplating reading the raws because the translation comes out so fast there really isn't a need to, but this time I REALLY couldn't help myself. In the process of google translating a few lines that caught my eye lol

Thank you. Back when translations had just started out and Hachimitsu was going off volume releases and was thus behind by a couple chapters around chapter 10, I was so thirsty for more that I first went to read Spanish magazine TLs (close enough to my native language), then raws on LHscan, so I know the feel.

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There is that issue of the thematic boundary between "girls who discover that they like another girl in a very, very special way" and "girls who discover that they want to kiss and get naked together."

You can usually tell the latter is the case when one of the girls go "Wow her eyelashes are so long/pretty/any kind of obscure description of eyelashes lol. One thing thing that I find so interesting and novel about this manga is the lack of these rather tropey predictable physical descriptions. The most we get out of this manga is one calling the other "cute" and the other (Most of the time Koyuki) completely fizzing out. It's kind of a nod towards how "underdeveloped" or " innocent" their minds are in that aspect, where evaluation of physical characteristics are never in an sexual or creepily detailed way If you've read Urasekai Picnic you would know that about 30 percent of the text is spent on how beautiful Toriko's " " is

Looking at how these two characters started with zero earnest social skills or friendship knowledge, it'll probably be 20 more chapters before Koyuki realizes that Konatsu's ponytail hits different than Kaede's.

I mean, it's not said in words as often, but especially earlier on there's plenty of cases of the girls being very aware of each other's physical presence - especially Koyuki. The first chapter ends on her freaking out over an indirect kiss - which is one of the oldest yuri subtext tropes there is -, there's the moment when she realizes how close their faces are like they're about to kiss when she's helping Konatsu catch a fish, etc.

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There is that issue of the thematic boundary between "girls who discover that they like another girl in a very, very special way" and "girls who discover that they want to kiss and get naked together."

You can usually tell the latter is the case when one of the girls go "Wow her eyelashes are so long/pretty/any kind of obscure description of eyelashes lol. One thing thing that I find so interesting and novel about this manga is the lack of these rather tropey predictable physical descriptions. The most we get out of this manga is one calling the other "cute" and the other (Most of the time Koyuki) completely fizzing out. It's kind of a nod towards how "underdeveloped" or " innocent" their minds are in that aspect, where evaluation of physical characteristics are never in an sexual or creepily detailed way If you've read Urasekai Picnic you would know that about 30 percent of the text is spent on how beautiful Toriko's " " is

Looking at how these two characters started with zero earnest social skills or friendship knowledge, it'll probably be 20 more chapters before Koyuki realizes that Konatsu's ponytail hits different than Kaede's.

I mean, it's not said in words as often, but especially earlier on there's plenty of cases of the girls being very aware of each other's physical presence - especially Koyuki. The first chapter ends on her freaking out over an indirect kiss - which is one of the oldest yuri subtext tropes there is -, there's the moment when she realizes how close their faces are like they're about to kiss when she's helping Konatsu catch a fish, etc.

Oh, yeah I completely forgot about that. I kind of just wrote that off as "Someone is this close to me" instead of "She is this close to me" With Koyuki, stuff like that is hard to gauge because she's so new to everything, like when Kaede offered to feed her like Konatsu did, she kinda had the same reaction.

I was looking more in Konatsu's case, where she has more of an understanding regarding relationship boundaries (before the whole "we're going down together" mindset during the Karaoke event). Mostly, we haven't had one of those "Wow, Koyuki's x is x" type description, that is totally explicit. A lot of character's actions can have an alterior meaning than what we really think (Like how Konatsu called Koyuki on the phone during her school trip- we now know that it isn't really something to be happy about because she must have done it due to unbearable loneliness and not gay angst.)

I really can't wait until we go back into Koyuki's mind, though, she's had a lot of growth, like going over to Surprise Konatsu, and really acting like a senpai, but our understanding of her has become less than our understanding of Konatsu at this point in the story.

cue chapter 31 starting with "Yesterday I had a dream where I kissed Konatsu on the lips"

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cue chapter 31 starting with "Yesterday I had a dream where I kissed Konatsu on the lips"

And she turned into a frog when I did.

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You can usually tell the latter is the case when one of the girls go "Wow her eyelashes are so long/pretty/any kind of obscure description of eyelashes lol. One thing thing that I find so interesting and novel about this manga is the lack of these rather tropey predictable physical descriptions. The most we get out of this manga is one calling the other "cute" and the other (Most of the time Koyuki) completely fizzing out. It's kind of a nod towards how "underdeveloped" or " innocent" their minds are in that aspect, where evaluation of physical characteristics are never in an sexual or creepily detailed way If you've read Urasekai Picnic you would know that about 30 percent of the text is spent on how beautiful Toriko's " " is

Looking at how these two characters started with zero earnest social skills or friendship knowledge, it'll probably be 20 more chapters before Koyuki realizes that Konatsu's ponytail hits different than Kaede's.

Now that I think about it, Nettaigyo works quite well as a demisexual romance. The girls think of each other as special, but don't experience overwhelming, clear-cut sexual urges (even the moments where they get flustered are sporadic and situational). They feel a sense of longing, but it isn't easy to classify- the more they think about it, the harder it gets to figure out, and the less they think about it, the more it builds up. To top it off, they're both rather cynical and don't believe in love at first sight, so it's doubly confusing when one out of one out of a hundred sights stirs something inside them, but the next ninety-nine don't. The closest terminology to describe this would be a squish- not quite a full-blown, giddy, fantasy-filled crush, but definitely not apathy either. Koyuki and Konatsu fundamentally just want to hug each other and go, "This is my person!", but it sounds so odd that they can't even say it out loud. Basically, it's like Bloom Into You if both parties were Yuu, gravitating towards each other precisely because they both feel excluded and different from society, and then getting even more confused when they start developing feelings for each other. Even the spoilers from 31 tie into this- the attraction that Koyuki feels is so ambiguous and unclear that a literal vision from her subconscious is required for her to understand it. At this point, I'm not sure if knowing that her angst is explicitly of the gay kind would give Koyuki a clearer idea of what to do, or if it'd just spark a new cycle of agonizing uncertainty, but I definitely can't wait to find out.

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You can usually tell the latter is the case when one of the girls go "Wow her eyelashes are so long/pretty/any kind of obscure description of eyelashes lol. One thing thing that I find so interesting and novel about this manga is the lack of these rather tropey predictable physical descriptions. The most we get out of this manga is one calling the other "cute" and the other (Most of the time Koyuki) completely fizzing out. It's kind of a nod towards how "underdeveloped" or " innocent" their minds are in that aspect, where evaluation of physical characteristics are never in an sexual or creepily detailed way If you've read Urasekai Picnic you would know that about 30 percent of the text is spent on how beautiful Toriko's " " is

Looking at how these two characters started with zero earnest social skills or friendship knowledge, it'll probably be 20 more chapters before Koyuki realizes that Konatsu's ponytail hits different than Kaede's.

Now that I think about it, Nettaigyo works quite well as a demisexual romance. The girls think of each other as special, but don't experience overwhelming, clear-cut sexual urges (even the moments where they get flustered are sporadic and situational). They feel a sense of longing, but it isn't easy to classify- the more they think about it, the harder it gets to figure out, and the less they think about it, the more it builds up. To top it off, they're both rather cynical and don't believe in love at first sight, so it's doubly confusing when one out of one out of a hundred sights stirs something inside them, but the next ninety-nine don't. The closest terminology to describe this would be a squish- not quite a full-blown, giddy, fantasy-filled crush, but definitely not apathy either. Koyuki and Konatsu fundamentally just want to hug each other and go, "This is my person!", but it sounds so odd that they can't even say it out loud. Basically, it's like Bloom Into You if both parties were Yuu, gravitating towards each other precisely because they both feel excluded and different from society, and then getting even more confused when they start developing feelings for each other. Even the spoilers from 31 tie into this- the attraction that Koyuki feels is so ambiguous and unclear that a literal vision from her subconscious is required for her to understand it. At this point, I'm not sure if knowing that her angst is explicitly of the gay kind would give Koyuki a clearer idea of what to do, or if it'd just spark a new cycle of agonizing uncertainty, but I definitely can't wait to find out.

"the more they think about it, the harder it gets to figure out, and the less they think about it, the more it builds up."

This really encapsulates conflicts in this manga completely. Everything is so internal.Looking at how Konatsu was being dubbed as a worrywart for trying to figure out how Koyuki felt during their first meeting, she then choses to for get about it but looking at ch 30, it all comes back. There is no escapism in this manga, all of the characters must confront their conflicts whether it is sooner or later.

I think I've said this before, but I think there needs to be a catalyst in the manga, not only to see the potential Yuri goodness, but just in general. in the past there always has been something that caused a big event to occur, whether its Kaede dragging Konatsu to karaoke to make Honami realize that there really is something wrong, Koyuki's hot and thoughtful dad telling Konatsu to invite her to festival, leading to the events of chapter 8 and 9, there are so many instances of this happening that I'm sure the author knows that there could be one in the "omg I'm gay" aspect.

Of course, this could not be what the story is about, and that would be perfectly fine, but if she were to go into that direction, I feel like there would be something that causes a character to fall into a Bloom into You-esque ponder about love looking at ch 30 spoilers, though I don't want to go into depth because it isn't translated yet, Konatsu hides the frog from Koyuki when she sees it, obviously implying that there are some things left to be resolved. I'm not sure if we are still a chapter behind regarding releases due to the author having to take a two month break, but we must be left with something to set up this next character arc, maybe that's it?

Edit: Random, baseless theory here but: What if we don't get introduced into the romance aspect until after Koyuki leaves? Maybe I'm still salty about MUL, but what if we get to see the two's independent development for a while, and then that serves as buildup for a confession? It makes about the same amount of sense as squeezing in a romance in these last few months of high school. However, this is only plausible if the story becomes a romance, there is obviously the chance that it never will.

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Personally by reading the last raw chapter I am more optimistic for an good evolution of their relationship. We feel that they are asking questions about their emotions towards each other and not just as simple friends.Precisely for the story of the frog it may be that koyuki by this symbol would like to become the frog again with respect to konatsu and still not what was hidden in the koyuki drawer .. more on the flashback of the fairground and the fireworks at the beginning of the story , where konatsu asked if she was special for koyuki, she finally answers her ...
While waiting for the translation I think that the anguish of konatsu and koyuki is due to the fact that the departure for tokyo of koyuki is approaching and that they do not have much time to spend time and definitely discover what they are. feel towards each other.

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We are predictably getting that break next month at last, so let's hope the translation for this chapter feels super satisfying, lol.

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Personally by reading the last raw chapter I am more optimistic for an good evolution of their relationship. We feel that they are asking questions about their emotions towards each other and not just as simple friends.Precisely for the story of the frog it may be that koyuki by this symbol would like to become the frog again with respect to konatsu and still not what was hidden in the koyuki drawer .. more on the flashback of the fairground and the fireworks at the beginning of the story , where konatsu asked if she was special for koyuki, she finally answers her ...
While waiting for the translation I think that the anguish of konatsu and koyuki is due to the fact that the departure for tokyo of koyuki is approaching and that they do not have much time to spend time and definitely discover what they are. feel towards each other.

The Mangaka really tried to tell us stuff with Konatsu's body language in this chapter, a lot of panels spent on her hand placement, and overall body expression through the chapter reveals a lot about how she's thinking... I might go back and do a re-read to see where else that happens, because it was as though she diliberatley wanted us to see her timidness and anger in some of those panels. Maybe she recently acquired an obsession with hand paneling lol

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I read Chapter 30 RAW more than thrice...and I should admit that this is a development I want to see. Also, there's an impact when Konatsu starts calling Koyuki with her given name. Unlike another serialization, Hanigare takes a different approach in this aspect. Sure, start calling someone with their given name means you're getting closer with them. But since Konatsu and Koyuki are also bounded in a senpai-kouhai relationship, Konatsu calling Koyuki without the proper suffix means much in their relationship.

Then, I don't think Konatsu tried to hide the frog had a hidden meaning, it's more like that she was surprised that Koyuki woke when she was touching Koyuki's private belonging. She also didn't bring the topic to Koyuki because... well we know what kind of person Konatsu is.

I'm seeing that Konatsu starts to realize that her feeling about yearning for Koyuki is mutual. Koyuki once wrote "It'll be nice if we can be together forever" when she read the "Salamander" and we know that Konatsu also feels the same way. We're seeing salamander and frog only in Konatsu's mind, but we also know that Koyuki put Konatsu's words seriously (and that she also cherished it), in a form of the paired plushies. Konatsu learned that the plushies is in fact a pair (not that kind of "same thing" or "couple", but metaphorically... one exist for another). I forgot whether Koyuki wanted to give the frog one to Konatsu at first, but the current ownership of the paired plushies also have a meaning. Both of them will be separated soon, the plushies they are holding symbolized that they will always be together. Koyuki with the frog (Konatsu), and Konatsu with the salamander (Koyuki).

Trivia: Hanigare's main characters uses three different words for "I".
Konatsu: watashi (わたし)
Koyuki: watashi/watakushi (in kanji, 私)
Kaede: atashi (あたし)
The differences make it easier to distinguish the dialogue and somewhat their demeanor.

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Unlike another serialization, Hanigare takes a different approach in this aspect.

Shade? lol

Then, I don't think Konatsu tried to hide the frog had a hidden meaning, it's more like that she was surprised that Koyuki woke when she was touching Koyuki's private belonging. She also didn't bring the topic to Koyuki because... well we know what kind of person Konatsu is.

I'm bringing this point up primarily due to the sheer number of panels spent on this. I can't help but get the feeling that she doesn't want Koyuki to know she touched that specific item, not because it isn't her property, but because she knew that bringing it up would probably bring up more conflict she wanted to include herself in. (Basically what you said) If it was the dolphin or whatever, Konatsu wouldn't have too much of a problem, since she's spent literal hours in Koyuki's room before, she probably already knows what she has in there. It's the frog that's the only new thing, and it has a special meaning to Konatsu.

I forgot whether Koyuki wanted to give the frog one to Konatsu at first, but the current ownership of the paired plushies also have a meaning. Both of them will be separated soon, the plushies they are holding symbolized that they will always be together. Koyuki with the frog (Konatsu), and Konatsu with the salamander (Koyuki).

She wanted to give her the frog but she thought it would be too bold, since its essentially saying "I want to be with you forever", something they actually haven't discussed yet (They both know what the other is saying, but Konatsu doesn't know that Koyuki found out what it meant to be a frog.

Honestly, granted with what happened chapters 26-28, we can assume that Konatsu is actually the salamander, so their plushies actually match one another.

EDIT: removed the spoiler bars since the chapter is out.

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Personally by reading the last raw chapter I am more optimistic for an good evolution of their relationship. We feel that they are asking questions about their emotions towards each other and not just as simple friends.Precisely for the story of the frog it may be that koyuki by this symbol would like to become the frog again with respect to konatsu and still not what was hidden in the koyuki drawer .. more on the flashback of the fairground and the fireworks at the beginning of the story , where konatsu asked if she was special for koyuki, she finally answers her ...
While waiting for the translation I think that the anguish of konatsu and koyuki is due to the fact that the departure for tokyo of koyuki is approaching and that they do not have much time to spend time and definitely discover what they are. feel towards each other.

The Mangaka really tried to tell us stuff with Konatsu's body language in this chapter, a lot of panels spent on her hand placement, and overall body expression through the chapter reveals a lot about how she's thinking... I might go back and do a re-read to see where else that happens, because it was as though she diliberatley wanted us to see her timidness and anger in some of those panels. Maybe she recently acquired an obsession with hand paneling lol

Yes it seems that there are a lot of "bodily" signs from koyuki unlike konatsu who remains .... konatsu.
But some looks towards konatsu, show a certain feverishness but also an evolution of koyuki which no longer hesitates to look konatsu in the eyes while smiling, which confuses konatsu ...
Then it will take a good translation because there are certain passages where they speak to each other with poetic and abstract sentences, like riddles, konatsu moreover on the end seeks to understand the meaning as well as the surprise to see the frog soft toy. . hard to tell who the salamander is and who the frog is at the moment ... konatsu seems to have accepted the situation and koyuki's departure, but koyuki seems to conflict with that, she is frustrated .. .
In any case, the author is very good at getting certain messages across in this scan, to make us ask questions, to leave the possibilities completely open, which is sure, is that she will take her time, and for me the denouement and the translation of this story of salamander and the frog, of which is which by them even! and finally it looks like koyuki is bought and put away something that must be intended for konatsu or related.

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