I mean, Anima Yell also has 2 members of the team with blatant lesbian crushes, like, just shy of explicit. At one point one of them gets teased by old friends as still being a "yuri girl" while the target of her affections confuses it with lilies, rather than f/f. And the other one gets really happy when someone compares her to her love interest's wife. Like, it's not just the side character that's a gay girl, those are pretty explicitly crushes, though I wouldn't expect them to go too far beyond.

The ending song was very cute

Someone know the VA of Suzuya ? I swear she remind me of Suisho.

Nevermind i found it. It's the VA of Mya-nee.

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Someone know the VA of Suzuya ? I swear she remind me of Suisho.

Nevermind i found it. It's the VA of Mya-nee.

Ueda Reina? Oh! I really like her, I loved her as Mao in the PKMN Sun and Moon anime and as Akane in Gridman, and of course as Mya-nee.
Nice to know she is also in here~
Also I just noticed she will do Nagafuji in AdaShima, go figures, guess she Kito Akari gonna work together again then~

Sometimes I wonder what the border here is for people to consider something yuri instead of subtext? Like, I've seen plenty of oneshots and even series from yuri magazines that are less explicit about the characters' feelings than some of the stuff people complain about just being subtext

So, my issue with KoiAs was that it's supposed to be a comedy, but isn't especially funny. It is kind of bad when it's not focusing on the leads being gay

Sometimes I wonder what the border here is for people to consider something yuri instead of subtext?

I think it has more to do with precedent than with the show's content. I had the thought that it's gay and cute, but since it's a Kirara series I should get rid of expectations that it will go anywhere. Even a Kirara anime that appears to sell itself as a yuri romance is still a Kirara anime. Maybe it will be an exception like Sakura Trick, I'd like to be proven wrong.

I do wonder where that border is for myself, though. Can't answer that.

Sakura Trick isn't yuri anime though. It's bait. They're not dating or in love. They're just very special friends.

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^ I dunno man, I have my suspicions.

Well, it's text of the anime. They both have no clue what dating and love means and series end with them wondering if they can ever figure it out. And for entire manga they never actually end up dating. Kissing is just means for them to feel special as friends. I never felt so betrayed and baited in my entire life.

Ikr. People tend to have forgotten that Yuu and Haruka don't start dating until the end of the manga, when Yuu realise that Haruka still her as a friend, well kissing friend. I'm prettysure if you tell people who only watch the anime they aren't dating, they won't believe you,i mean they make vows about marriage together but it's true, by the end of the anime they are not dating at all.

It's even worse. They don't even date by the end of the manga. Yuu gets fed up with Haruka and confronts her to progress their relationship, but while Haruka admits they're not normal friends, she still doesn't want to admit they're dating or in love, so Yuu swears she will seduce her in collage. It ends with promise of them dating. And then people wonder why some people are afraid of trusting anime/manga with yuri ending or even yuri in general, when shit like that happens all the time. It's annoying sometimes, but I can't blame anyone for feeling burnt out about yuribaits and approaching any new series with extreme caution.

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she still doesn't want to admit they're dating or in love

Dunno mate, they said they are lovers. I think that mean they're dating no ?

Guess I was misremembering that part.

Guess I was misremembering that part.

You weren't even remotely close to what actually happened.

Sakura Trick isn't yuri anime though. It’s bait.

We can agree to disagree about Haruka and Yuu, but Kotone and Shizuku do exist, you know.

Queenky posted:

Sakura Trick isn't yuri anime though. It’s bait.

We can agree to disagree about Haruka and Yuu, but Kotone and Shizuku do exist, you know.

And then there's Yuu's sister who confessed too in the anime but she got rejected because Haruka is dense as fuck... Is funny because the ending of the manga was clear since long ago, at least I knew that Haruka was gonna fuck things up one way or another while Yuu had already come in terms with her feelings...And that's what happened.

ANYWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY my people, I came to tell you that the BangDream movie was ripped! yup! Thanks to AbemaTV so we don't have to wait months to see the bluray before seeing the third season that starts in two weeks!
So far we have only a raw in nyaa but I hope we get subs before the s3

Magia Record starts promising.

So, Magia Record seems pretty good. Great visuals and direction, writing seems fine, interesting mysteries. No sign of yuri (subtext) yet, but Iroha and Yachiyo are both there, so I'm assuming it's a matter of time

Sometimes I wonder what the border here is for people to consider something yuri instead of subtext? Like, I've seen plenty of oneshots and even series from yuri magazines that are less explicit about the characters' feelings than some of the stuff people complain about just being subtext

So, my issue with KoiAs was that it's supposed to be a comedy, but isn't especially funny. It is kind of bad when it's not focusing on the leads being gay

It's really a big issue in the yuri genre. In het series you could easily assume that the couple are dating or not based on their interactions(confession, touching, glances, kissing..etc) since most people tend to be heteronormative. However, in Yuri series it's really hard to tell if the girls are lovers or just being really close friends, even for gay people. Take for an example Manaria Friends, as a yuri fan myself, I really knew there was more than friendship to their relationship, but even with that, I couldn't say it's an outright sexual love and they would get married in the future, so I couldn't prove that they love each other to my heteronormative friend(even with the love potion scene). I honestly don't blame her. I really believe a confession or a kiss was left out intentionally by the anime makers or author. I mostly blame the creators for causing this confusion, I mean, why can't you just decide? is it really gonna affect the sales or story that much if you include a canon lesbian couple in a non-yuri work? even in most supposed-to-be yuri works (like Yuru Yuri) they still shy away from confirming the yuri. even in shows that have perfect couples like (Amanchu, Akanesasu Shoujo, Mahou shoujo Site, Shuumatsu no Izetta, Akuma no Riddle, Flip Flappers, Symphogear..the list goes on.) they brush off the yuri in the end on purpose!! sometimes they even alter some scenes!! (like editing out the LOVE CONFESSION AND KISS in Mahou Shoujo Site that were in the manga). But what they don't shy away from is unrequited love like in (Kuzu no Honkai, Araburu, Comic Girls, To-Aru series, Aria the Scarlett Season 2, Baka To Test..etc), and that's why we see many crazy obsessed lesbians in anime, it's like they're telling us "look! we don't shy away from lesbians! but too bad their love is unrequited and they're so messed up for you to actually care about them." and then you get those yuri moments in anime that exist for the mere purpose of fanservice and the MANY MANY kiss scenes that "doesn't count because we're both girls." so in the end, I blame the creators for confusing the fans. even yuri authors themselves sometimes shy away from yuri. (like Hanigare, Stretch and Swap Swap). What if I'm the one who's in the wrong for assuming or hoping that the girls will get together? I'll just take the easy road for me and my mind and consider everything as friendship or bait until a blatant love confession was made between the characters.

It's important to consider that Japan, the source of most of this manga and anime we consume is actually less LGBTQ+ friendly than a considerable number of western countries. There's culturally acceptable phenonema like S-Class friendship and yaoi which can have very little to do with actual LGBTQ+ representation. Anime also subsists heavily on disc sales, they can't risk alienating part of their audience.

Manaria friends: Part of a larger franchise often featuring male protagonists. Declaring those two 'off-limits' to the PC could hamper people's interest in the series.
Yuru Yuri: Literally means something like soft Yuri. It's designed to tease. The author doesn't shy away from clear gay stuff, it's just not the focus of the series
Amanchu: The 'perfect couple' was supposed to be friendship all along and in her panic of writing a relationship that could be construed as more than friends the author had to create a love interest whose only purpose was to show those two were really friends and nothing more.
Izetta, Akuma, Flip Flappers. I'm.... pretty sure all of these are confirmed Yuri. Kisses were probably just avoided in Izetta and Akuma to draw a larger audience / avoid alienating or pidgeonholing the series.

I mean, Flip Flappers had an entire episode dedicated to Cocona trying to pin down her attraction to Papika. They openly declare their love to each other multiple times. No kiss was a disappointment but the girls had a wedding dress moment.

When consuming Yuri, it's important to keep in mind that the genre was born in a culture with different norms and quirks. It's a genre that's evolving to this day. Maybe one day we'll see more kiss scenes that are designed for tittilation of the audience but a confirmation of affection between two characters.

However, in Yuri series it's really hard to tell if the girls are lovers or just being really close friends, even for gay people. Take for an example Manaria Friends, as a yuri fan myself, I really knew there was more than friendship to their relationship, but even with that, I couldn't say it's an outright sexual love and they would get married in the future, so I couldn't prove that they love each other to my heteronormative friend(even with the love potion scene). I honestly don't blame her. I really believe a confession or a kiss was left out intentionally by the anime makers or author. I mostly blame the creators for causing this confusion, I mean, why can't you just decide? is it really gonna affect the sales or story that much if you include a canon lesbian couple in a non-yuri work?

Manaria Friends is somewhat of a special case though. It's a spin-off to a larger franchise that is mostly based on gacha bullshit. Gacha games are designed as waifu generators. What may seem like an obvious decision to us is a legitimately dangerous gamble to the people at Cygames. Making ANY pairings canon (gay, lesbian, straight) is extremely detrimental to keeping up interest for a large portion of pathetic waifu and husbando collectors.

Japan is just especially creepy about this. Their culture also enables "super friendships" and "playing lovers" between girls. These things are slowly shifting, but that's at a snail's pace. They know that the Japanese fans will be satisfied with implications and subtext as they always are.

I'm rather conflicted on Manaria Friends in particular, because you could tell the director/writer was only doing this freaking anime to endorse the ship and have fun with it. They gain almost nothing from making that anime and their decision to only focus on these two and not even go for the actual Rage of Bahamut Mysteria Academy event tells volumes of the purpose of this show. The way they got people to buy it was to bait players with special tickets in the BD release btw.
So overall Cygames has the longest lever here. The fans are gonna buy it either way for the rewards, the continuity is not connected to any of their franchises and the entire purpose of this anime was to ship AnneGrea. Then why did they still not have the guts to cross the line? I think... Cygames just doesn't want to set a precedent. They don't want to be the first ones to make a commitment like that. Because the second they do, all the shippers in the world will point at Manaria Friends and say "You did it for these two, why the hell can't you do it for my ship too??"

For all their money, influence and exploitative tactics, Cygames is still the most afraid of taking risks.

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I was really into Madoka Magica in 2015/16, but idk I don‘t feel like watching that side story at all. Maybe it‘s because of the growing hype around it.

It's important to consider that Japan, the source of most of this manga and anime we consume is actually less LGBTQ+ friendly than a considerable number of western countries. There's culturally acceptable phenonema like S-.

When consuming Yuri, it's important to keep in mind that the genre was born in a culture with different norms and quirks. It's a genre that's evolving to this day. Maybe one day we'll see more kiss scenes that are designed for tittilation of the audience but a confirmation of affection between two characters.

Considering Japan's highly homophobic society, sometimes it crosses to me that it's a miracle that we got the yuri genre(Imagine if Anime was chinese lol.), and that's why I love yuri and hate when people treat it like a sexual genre. All those yuri authors kept fighting and writing stories despite of the discrimination and hate they got, I really do respect them.

However, in Yuri series it's really hard to tell if the girls are lovers or just being r
Manaria Friends is somewhat of a special case though. It's a spin-off to a larger franchise that is mostly based on gacha bullshit. Gacha games are designed as waifu generators. What may seem like an obvious decision to us is a legitimately dangerous gamble to the people at Cygames. Making ANY pairings canon (gay, lesbian, straight) is extremely detrimental to keeping up interest for a large portion of pathetic waifu and husbando collectors.

Japan is just especially creepy about this. Their culture also enables "super friendships" and "playing lovers" between girls. These things are slowly shifting, but that's at a snail's pace. They know that the Japanese fans will be satisfied with implications and subtext as they always are.

I'm rather conflicted on Manaria Friends in particular, because you could tell the director/writer was only doing this freaking anime to endorse the ship and have fun with it. They gain almost nothing from making that anime and their decision to only focus on these two and not even go for the actual Rage of Bahamut Mysteria Academy event tells volumes of the purpose of this show. The way they got people to buy it was to bait players with special tickets in the BD release btw.
So overall Cygames has the longest lever here. The fans are gonna buy it either way for the rewards, the continuity is not connected to any of their franchises and the entire purpose of this anime was to ship AnneGrea. Then why did they still not have the guts to cross the line? I think... Cygames just doesn't want to set a precedent. They don't want to be the first ones to make a commitment like that. Because the second they do, all the shippers in the world will point at Manaria Friends and say "You did it for these two, why the hell can't you do it for my ship too??"

For all their money, influence and exploitative tactics, Cygames is still the most afraid of taking risks.

That makes sense to everything, When I was watching the anime I was like, come on? they're gay right? is it that hard to have them kiss each other? well, it turns out it might upset lots of fans who consume their products(even tho it might upset the minority who support yuri.), It's really a tough job to please a fandom, when you make a franchise or a work and not set it in stone that the main characters are gay in the beggining, it might piss off a great deal of fans because they might feel deluded(the case with RWBY, no one cared or complained about the yuri shippers in the first volumes because they thought their ship would never happen but the moment it did, you see lots of fans rage out against them and the creators like they deceived or betrayed them, and accuse yuri fans of being fanatics when it's clear that they are in the minority and blame the story writing to cover their homophobia), but it's also tough for gay people when you give them obvious hints that heteronormative people can't pick up and then mislead them in the end, but since they're in the minority, maybe it's not that important for the creators, they only need to bait them with what little they have for them to feel they are being represented.

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Kandagawa Jet Girls had the best finale of the shows that aired the previous season, go watch it.

There's also an OVA that comes out in 9 days.

I was really into Madoka Magica in 2015/16, but idk I don‘t feel like watching that side story at all. Maybe it‘s because of the growing hype around it.

If that helps you, the game itself is not good, like crappy gameplay, awful sprites, blah, blah, blah, but the story is one aspect that stands out the most, of course, we're talking about an adaptation, but if they somewhat follow the game, it will be fantastic.

Also, someone on internet said this was going to be a 26 episodes series, however, an more reliable source begs to differ.