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"She used the Whatever Staff to shoot"
Remember that "Whatever Staff" uses Shamikos Mana. https: //s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/a/image/1570/94/1570940588194.jpg, https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/a/image/1570/94/1570941146047.jpg, https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/a/image/1568/13/1568131084648.jpg
That attack was carried out using only the power of shamiko herself. Also, even if that were not the case, that would not change the fact that Shamiko eliminated the familiar.
"a familiar that is weak enough to be defeated by normal humans without any powers"
And? That the enemy is weak does not change the fact that it was defeated in combat.
"Not sure I can even count it because she used a game breaking weapon"
Really?... Ok, I don't want to be offensive, but that's stupid. To that logic, Thanos never defeated the avengers in this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP5b3qHG6Hw just because he used the infinity stones. "The guy beat them up, but since he use super broken space magic stones instead of his own strength, I can't say he defeated them" citing yourself "Sounds pretty stupid, right?" It would be different if we were discussing whether it was a fair victory or not, but that is not the case.
"Might as well consider her holding down the dog to retrieve Lilith as a victory then"
(sigh) ... The example I gave was a fight. Tell me how the hell are both scenarios comparable? your comparison makes no sense.
"Magnificent feats"
Okay. Now you are simply imagining things. When I said that defeating sakuras familiar was a great feat? The only thing I said was that defeating it counted as a victory (victory =/= great feat). Never, in any part of my last comment did I mention it was a great feat.
I remind you of all this discussion start because I affirm that Shamiko has had some victories. That is all that I am defending right now. And wherever you look at it, the defeat of the familiar is an undeniable victory of Shamiko. Hell, not only does it meet all the requirements you mentioned before (No luck. No help. Done on her own, and that last fact doesn't change just because she used the "Whatever Staff"), even Momo and Shamiko themselves considered that a victory (Shamiko called it her first victory). And nothing you said in your previous comment refutes that it is.
"Can we stop now? This is just not worth it."
If you want to stop, go ahead. I am not forcing you to answer me. I'm answering you because I want to, but if you don't think it's worth it, then just ignore me.
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