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The main character comes off as extremely in denial about their gender feelings rather than just being into crossdressing
I don't think it's denial so much as a lack of education. Once the concept of transgender and gender dysphoria was broached, It seemed like something clicked for Gin.
^Not sure if trolling or serious.
Ogura has always been advertised as the "Bi" character. See right page here: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/giniro_no_genders_ch01#1 She's supposed to have good chemistry with Sumon too. And it's yuri, since at this point, she thinks Gin is a girl and is actually trying to turn "her" lesbian. If she discovers his true gender, they are probably to have a huge drama. Nothing proves that she'll jump with him in bed.
At this point, as the title suggests, I think the MC is gender-fluid. Depending on who he interacts with, he feels more like a guy or a girl. That's consistent with him cross-dressing.
But is it that he feels more like a guy, or is it that she can't be honest about who she is with certain people?
I think there's a lot of ambiguity in this so far, by design. Gin doesn't really understand gender issues and is learning about a lot of concepts for the first time. I think this is about this character discovering who they are, gender-wise, and what they like in terms of preference. Gin definitely seems to be somewhat bi, but also seems like they might be a trans girl that just hasn't figured it out, or might be more genderfluid, or maybe the original assumption, of a boy that likes being feminine and dressing like a girl, is still correct.
As for whether this qualifies as Yuri, well, at the very least, the fantasy sequence definitely qualifies, and one of the characters -does- think she's seducing a girl, and depending on where Gin comes down on the trans spectrum, she may yet be. I think there's enough there to justify the tag.
^Not sure if trolling or serious.
Ogura has always been advertised as the "Bi" character. See right page here: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/giniro_no_genders_ch01#1 She's supposed to have good chemistry with Sumon too. And it's yuri, since at this point, she thinks Gin is a girl and is actually trying to turn "her" lesbian. If she discovers his true gender, they are probably to have a huge drama. Nothing proves that she'll jump with him in bed.
At this point, as the title suggests, I think the MC is gender-fluid. Depending on who he interacts with, he feels more like a guy or a girl. That's consistent with him cross-dressing.
As for Seiji, he's a closeted gay and is going to make mistakes.
I mean seeing how stupid and porny this work became, I bet the blonde lesbian will have sex with this guy or will make him cum or soemthing idiotic like that when she will confront him over other girl having interest in him and will discover he is a guy just for "drama" sake.
Or they will have a threesome.
Also this chapter pretty much confirmed to everyone that the MC is not a transgender person, just a guy who loves to crossdress but as his sexual attraction goes he is straight and into girls.
Plus no, a girl where readers know that one character is 100% a guy in mind and body being seduced by a female who is bi and might've even noticed his boner, is not yuri related at all, and should not be tagged like that.
Plus 2 pages of cheap fantasy of the male MC too shouldn't get a tag like that which is just poor baiting others.
I honestly can't understand why people don't want any standard when the tags get used.
Also this chapter pretty much confirmed to everyone that the MC is not a transgender person, just a guy who loves to crossdress but as his sexual attraction goes he is straight and into girls.
No it doesn't, liking girls doesn't keep them from being trans obviously. Plus, at this point it's also been hinted that they like guys as well.
There should be some sort of warning for the last part with his hard-on and all that, but there's no "erection" tag or just simply a "dicks" tag.
There's an NSFW tag, and MC is (as far as we know) a crossdressing man, yo. :p
^Not sure if trolling or serious.
Ogura has always been advertised as the "Bi" character. See right page here: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/giniro_no_genders_ch01#1 She's supposed to have good chemistry with Sumon too. And it's yuri, since at this point, she thinks Gin is a girl and is actually trying to turn "her" lesbian. If she discovers his true gender, they are probably to have a huge drama. Nothing proves that she'll jump with him in bed.
At this point, as the title suggests, I think the MC is gender-fluid. Depending on who he interacts with, he feels more like a guy or a girl. That's consistent with him cross-dressing.
As for Seiji, he's a closeted gay and is going to make mistakes.
Malibus, please put a few blank lines after the text you're quoting before you start typing your reply. It's difficult to tell where the quote ends and the reply begins.
I mean seeing how stupid and porny this work became, I bet the blonde lesbian will have sex with this guy or will make him cum or soemthing idiotic like that when she will confront him over other girl having interest in him and will discover he is a guy just for "drama" sake.
Or they will have a threesome.
Or Gin will continue getting into awkward situations about coming to understand his/her/their gender identity and sexuality, which has literally been the theme of the entire book since the very first chapter.
Also this chapter pretty much confirmed to everyone that the MC is not a transgender person, just a guy who loves to crossdress but as his sexual attraction goes he is straight and into girls.
It didn't. Being attracted to girls doesn't have anything to do with your gender HOW DOES SOMEBODY BITCHING ABOUT MISUSE OF THE YURI TAG NOT KNOW THAT
Plus no, a girl where readers know that one character is 100% a guy in mind and body being seduced by a female who is bi and might've even noticed his boner, is not yuri related at all, and should not be tagged like that.
We don't know that. The way Gin perked at the explanation of transgender was interesting. It may yet turn out that way, but we don't know.
Plus 2 pages of cheap fantasy of the male MC too shouldn't get a tag like that which is just poor baiting others.
I honestly can't understand why people don't want any standard when the tags get used.
The readers don't know that, and tags have two purposes, to alert people to the presence of content they want to avoid, and to alert people to the presence of content they want to see. This could fulfill either of those purposes for some people, even if it doesn't for you. Either way, there is a girl trying to seduce what she thinks is another girl, and there are images of girls making out and having sex. Pretty sure if it wasn't tagged, somebody'd be complaining about it.
Plus 2 pages of cheap fantasy of the male MC too shouldn't get a tag like that which is just poor baiting others.
I honestly can't understand why people don't want any standard when the tags get used.The readers don't know that, and tags have two purposes, to alert people to the presence of content they want to avoid, and to alert people to the presence of content they want to see. This could fulfill either of those purposes for some people, even if it doesn't for you. Either way, there is a girl trying to seduce what she thinks is another girl, and there are images of girls making out and having sex. Pretty sure if it wasn't tagged, somebody'd be complaining about it.
People are complaining about it because it was tagged as such. Based on the reception of some of the commenters here, this was poor baiting. This is merely my assumption, so please take it with a grain of salt, but I would assume readers seeing a yuri tag/looking for yuri are looking for predominant or noticeably present romance/relations between two female characters.
Based on the percentage of what you've defined as yuri activity, the making out and, Imma say, groping, is too small to be seen as a justifiable reason for a yuri tag. Even the assumption on the girl trying to seduce Gin whom she thinks is a girl, is still a last page kind of deal. What is dominate is Gin's erection and Gin's ejecilation.
And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.
If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.
@LilLegalLoli94
Considering Gin was the one getting low-key sexually harassed, I don't think he has to be open about anything tbh. :/
And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.
If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.
LilLegalLoli94
Nobody is obligated to reveal their genitals to random ppl they barely know. Gin merely agreed to dancing lessons with her, with no sexual intentions. If anything SHE harassed Gin. Gin never consented to her putting their hand on her breast like that.
And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.
If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.
LilLegalLoli94
Nobody is obligated to reveal their genitals to random ppl they barely know. Gin merely agreed to dancing lessons with her, with no sexual intentions. If anything SHE harassed Gin. Gin never consented to her putting their hand on her breast like that.
Um, I never said random people, I said romantic partners. You know, the people you have to communicate with to make a relationship, any relationship, work? And that first quoted paragraph is talking about the yuri tag and the debate that it's yuri because the girl thinks Gin is a girl.
Is everything clear now or is there still some confusion?
And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.
If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.
LilLegalLoli94
Nobody is obligated to reveal their genitals to random ppl they barely know. Gin merely agreed to dancing lessons with her, with no sexual intentions. If anything SHE harassed Gin. Gin never consented to her putting their hand on her breast like that.Um, I never said random people, I said romantic partners. You know, the people you have to communicate with to make a relationship, any relationship, work? And that first quoted paragraph is talking about the yuri tag and the debate that it's yuri because the girl thinks Gin is a girl.
Is everything clear now or is there still some confusion?
In that case i'm not sure why you bought it up, because Gin isn't dating anyone.
Lmao the erection scene is so bad, why is manga like this
Yeah, there's a part of me that wants to like this manga. But it ain't making it easy.
And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.
If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.
LilLegalLoli94
Nobody is obligated to reveal their genitals to random ppl they barely know. Gin merely agreed to dancing lessons with her, with no sexual intentions. If anything SHE harassed Gin. Gin never consented to her putting their hand on her breast like that.Um, I never said random people, I said romantic partners. You know, the people you have to communicate with to make a relationship, any relationship, work? And that first quoted paragraph is talking about the yuri tag and the debate that it's yuri because the girl thinks Gin is a girl.
Is everything clear now or is there still some confusion?
In that case i'm not sure why you bought it up, because Gin isn't dating anyone.
It's based on IF Gin gets in a relationship. And, again, I was originally talking about if yuri is an appropriate tag.
Really needs like, a cross-dressing male tag... With the yuri tag I thought it might be a cross-dressing girl, clicked on the latest chapter and now I've gone blind over THAT scene. Any tag warning about this dude would be appreciated, thank you.
Coming back to this cause Im still mad and some people are saying the MC might be trans, but no trans person trying to tell an honest story about their experiences would write a scene like that, only someone trying to fetishize the idea of a "femboi" would. But I guess it gives TERFs more fuel to call us perverts with so win/win. Also the the character map at the end of chapters thats like "what mystery queer are they?" Should be enough to show thet whoever wrote this views us all as circus attractions.
Coming back to this cause Im still mad and some people are saying the MC might be trans, but no trans person trying to tell an honest story about their experiences would write a scene like that, only someone trying to fetishize the idea of a "femboi" would. But I guess it gives TERFs more fuel to call us perverts with so win/win. Also the the character map at the end of chapters thats like "what mystery queer are they?" Should be enough to show thet whoever wrote this views us all as circus attractions.
Yeah, its pretty bad. Im probably gonna keep reading it though, simply because of how few manga about queer characters there is. I just have to remember to set my expectations REALLY REALLY low.
I don't understand how any of you can still take this story seriously after Asa pulled off that blackmail bs. There's trying to help someone finding their identity, when you think you might be able to give them a hand. Then there's saving someone from being raped, just to blackmail them over the same thing they almost got raped over instead and forced them to do something very unethical and fucked up, just because you think they didn't discover their true self yet and you're trying to "help" them realize it. I really dislike how she acts how she knows better what Gin wants and feel than Gin themselves.
It would really be hilarious if Gin really was just into crossdressing, but she assumed he was trans and forced him to do it "for his good". Even if he is trans, I don't think anyone would appreciate pretty much being forced into that identity.
People are complaining about it because it was tagged as such.
Yeah, and my point is that people are going to complain no matter what
Based on the reception of some of the commenters here, this was poor baiting. This is merely my assumption, so please take it with a grain of salt, but I would assume readers seeing a yuri tag/looking for yuri are looking for predominant or noticeably present romance/relations between two female characters.
You know what happens when you assume. ;p
I can't speak for other people, but one of the main things I'm looking for in a Yuri tag is queer representation. Gay people(girls, in this case) being gay. And that's here, so I'm satisfied. I get that you're not, and it's subjective, so all we can really do is agree to disagree.
Based on the percentage of what you've defined as yuri activity, the making out and, Imma say, groping, is too small to be seen as a justifiable reason for a yuri tag. Even the assumption on the girl trying to seduce Gin whom she thinks is a girl, is still a last page kind of deal. What is dominate is Gin's erection and Gin's ejecilation.
I disagree. First of all, girls can have penises, if you want to argue otherwise that's some TERF bullshit. And if Gin does end up identifying as Trans, this is absolutely yuri. But again,if they don't, if Gin decides he's a bi boy who likes dressing girly, This is still a girl hitting on a girl. It might not meet your standards for the tag, but it meets mine, and apparently it meets the standards for the mods.
And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.
If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.
Sooooo, nope. Nope nope nope. I get that you don't mean anything bad by this, I understand why it sounds reasonable to you, but it's very problematic. As has been mentioned, Gin didn't do anything wrong here. Leave aside the fact that Gin is being blackmailed to even be there in drag, Gin is also -not seeking any sexual activity- here. Gin just agreed to dance lessons, had an unintentional physical response to an attractive girl, and was then seductively approached by said girl.
No person is obligated to share what's in their pants with a stranger, even if that stranger is making sexual advances. She took Gin's hand and put it on her breast without permission, and she has no right to complain if and when she finds out the truth.
Trans people face threats to their -lives- if the wrong person finds out that they're trans. They don't have to tell anybody anything unless they have decided they trust that person. If they want to have a serious, committed, sexual relationship built on trust, they are eventually going to have to trust their partner with that information, but that's -their choice-, and they don't have an obligation to anyone. Gin may or may not turn out to be trans in the end, but I will absolutely not let comments like this slide by without commentary regardless.
Actually, this manga is in the same vein as Kanojo ni Naritai Kimi to Boku, Watashi no Kanojo wa Otokonoko, Shimanami Tasogare and others : a character totally new to the LGBT world gets involved with "people like that" (beside themselves) and the reader, through them, gets a large and trite info dump about the ins and outs of "alternative sexualities and genders", tolerance, hardships, etc...I guess this must be somewhat a trend at the moment, to make preachy manga about LGBT.
Not that it's a bad thing to educate Japanese readers, but I can't help thinking that it would be a lot better to just tell stories about LGBT people living their life normally and not define them by their sexuality/gender issues.
In a mystery manga, no author dumps info about the detective being heterosexual and how they discovered it at the age of 12.
I aspire to invisibility. But we are not there yet. Maybe in a future ala Always Human.
@Nya-chan
I agree that I wish LGBT was at the same level as say, haircolour, but unfortunately, in order to become normalised, something must first become visible. The black civil rights movements of the past being a good example, and even there, one can argue that skin colour/race is still far from normalised, except superficially/in the legal sense. I suspect that LGBT will likely face a similarly drawn out struggle, especially in very conservative parts of the world. :/
Shimanami Tasogore protrays it' characters as people who are part of a community but not defined by it because Simanami Tasogore is good actually. This just protrays characters as "exotic" queer mystery boxes to be fetishized
Like if you can't tell the difference between a manga where a trans-man tries to get through a realistically awkward reunion with people who new him pre-transition and on where a trans coded crossdresser randomly ejaculates to the idea of lesbian sex I don't know what to tell you
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so, chapter eleven is somehow more over-dramatic than chapter nine....
This chapter of fukakai na boku no subete o did the same concept of a childhood friend crying over an unrequited crush, but that chapter actually made me empathize with the girl.
Chapter 11 of this manga was so over-the-top with the rain and stalking and shirt-smelling that i could not care about Seiji nor take him seriously despite his monologue about his realistic and conflicted emotions.
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