I really don't understand. I mean, I do understand the premise but there's nothing there. It's all telling not showing and it's so bizarre that I feel like something is missing

@Nezchan if you wanna keep from having an open minded, critical conversation, I will gladly show myself out.

And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.

If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.

Sooooo, nope. Nope nope nope. I get that you don't mean anything bad by this, I understand why it sounds reasonable to you, but it's very problematic. As has been mentioned, Gin didn't do anything wrong here. Leave aside the fact that Gin is being blackmailed to even be there in drag, Gin is also -not seeking any sexual activity- here. Gin just agreed to dance lessons, had an unintentional physical response to an attractive girl, and was then seductively approached by said girl.

No person is obligated to share what's in their pants with a stranger, even if that stranger is making sexual advances. She took Gin's hand and put it on her breast without permission, and she has no right to complain if and when she finds out the truth.

Trans people face threats to their -lives- if the wrong person finds out that they're trans. They don't have to tell anybody anything unless they have decided they trust that person. If they want to have a serious, committed, sexual relationship built on trust, they are eventually going to have to trust their partner with that information, but that's -their choice-, and they don't have an obligation to anyone. Gin may or may not turn out to be trans in the end, but I will absolutely not let comments like this slide by without commentary regardless.

So, for the most part, I'm gunna respectfully agree to disagree. Not speaking in general, all I've ever given are my own opinions, but yuri's, depending on sfw or nsfw, are how I fill the need of my own lacking romance life. But past bad experiences have given the addition of penises in a yuri tag a sort of "ugh" feeling. And that's not to say that trans women with their born plumbing are "bad," just that under the yuri tag, I expect to see vaginas and vaginas I can work with.

But seriously, you, KawaiiSuika, and everybody else so high on your "defend trans rights" high horse need to actually listen the first time around. Never once did I ever imply "show your junk to strangers." If you were actually listening, I was talking about healthy romantic relationships because not everyone's past experiences (the way they grew up and how they were raised) or the way they were born (what the brain defines as attractive and not attractive) makes them okay with having a trans romantic partner and that is a reality of the world.

And, yes, there would be backlash because women can be that cruel. They can be the one to hit on a person, touch them inappropriately, and when it doesn't work out for them, they'll spin it so the victim look like the bad guy.

Let me get one last thing straight here: I'm NOT reading this manga. I tried it, saw that the yuri being tagged was not my kind of yuri (well, there was one instance in the earlier tagged yuri chapter but that was so brief and fleeting it felt unsatisfying), came to the forums, saw people shared my opinion that it wasn't classifiable as yuri (period, not making it any more specific) and wanted to put my theory why I agreed that I didn't see is as yuri because it a forum discussion board and that's what you do. But then I got people skipping over what I was actually saying to have an excuse to defend trans rights to me and that pisses me off.

Before you start going on a tangent feeling like the trans community's honor has been sullied, read the comments carefully. Make sure you're reading what's been wrote and not what you want to read and think "Did this person mean it this way or did this person mean it that way?" If there's any questions about it, ask, or hope, for clarification, but don't go assuming the worse because that's what you want.

WOOOAH!! Okay then! That happened

And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.

If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.

LilLegalLoli94
Nobody is obligated to reveal their genitals to random ppl they barely know. Gin merely agreed to dancing lessons with her, with no sexual intentions. If anything SHE harassed Gin. Gin never consented to her putting their hand on her breast like that.

Um, I never said random people, I said romantic partners. You know, the people you have to communicate with to make a relationship, any relationship, work? And that first quoted paragraph is talking about the yuri tag and the debate that it's yuri because the girl thinks Gin is a girl.

Is everything clear now or is there still some confusion?

In that case i'm not sure why you bought it up, because Gin isn't dating anyone.

It's based on IF Gin gets in a relationship. And, again, I was originally talking about if yuri is an appropriate tag.

And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.

If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.

LilLegalLoli94
Nobody is obligated to reveal their genitals to random ppl they barely know. Gin merely agreed to dancing lessons with her, with no sexual intentions. If anything SHE harassed Gin. Gin never consented to her putting their hand on her breast like that.

Um, I never said random people, I said romantic partners. You know, the people you have to communicate with to make a relationship, any relationship, work? And that first quoted paragraph is talking about the yuri tag and the debate that it's yuri because the girl thinks Gin is a girl.

Is everything clear now or is there still some confusion?

Plus 2 pages of cheap fantasy of the male MC too shouldn't get a tag like that which is just poor baiting others.
I honestly can't understand why people don't want any standard when the tags get used.

The readers don't know that, and tags have two purposes, to alert people to the presence of content they want to avoid, and to alert people to the presence of content they want to see. This could fulfill either of those purposes for some people, even if it doesn't for you. Either way, there is a girl trying to seduce what she thinks is another girl, and there are images of girls making out and having sex. Pretty sure if it wasn't tagged, somebody'd be complaining about it.

People are complaining about it because it was tagged as such. Based on the reception of some of the commenters here, this was poor baiting. This is merely my assumption, so please take it with a grain of salt, but I would assume readers seeing a yuri tag/looking for yuri are looking for predominant or noticeably present romance/relations between two female characters.

Based on the percentage of what you've defined as yuri activity, the making out and, Imma say, groping, is too small to be seen as a justifiable reason for a yuri tag. Even the assumption on the girl trying to seduce Gin whom she thinks is a girl, is still a last page kind of deal. What is dominate is Gin's erection and Gin's ejecilation.

And, going off a bit on my opinion, whether Gin identifies as male or female, the girl (I can't be bothered to look up her name real quick) thinks that Gin is biologically female. Gin hiding the fact that there's a little Gin hiding in their shorts, making is deceptive if the other party is assuming she's hitting on a female partner. Also, imagine the backlash from that. It could be possible that Gin is seen as an even bigger pervert if its found out before Gin has a chance to say it themselves.

If you're seeking a same sex partner and you're cool if said partner is trans, that's all fine and dandy. All I'm saying is there's gotta be some open honesty so everybody is in the know and knows it's all good.

OH NO!!! They're Too Dazzling!!!!

And it's yuri, since at this point, she thinks Gin is a girl and is actually trying to turn "her" lesbian.

That's not yuri, that's misunderstandings and deception

Aww, it's a mature romance. I wonder how far back it goes

I've seen the raws of all the next chapters
https://nhentai.net/g/252751/134/

Thanks for the link, now I don't gotta bother with reading it here anymore. I can't understand Japanese but it's pretty easy to tell what happened. Maybe it's because most of the yuri I've read hardly shows any explicit sex scene but it's just gotten grating, formulaic and overtly pornographic after a while.

One day, there's just going to be one giant fuck pile so dense you can't tell where one body ends and another begins, and no one will bat an eye at where it came from

It's becoming an obsession.... I'm talking about me, I'm obsessed

omg yesssss, I love this ship so much, happy to see some art of it
@RealmOMFG: I like to imagine Saki and Sakura as the parents since Saki's the leader and Sakura's the level headed one

Chiaki's aroused face is too cute

I can't... stories that start off like that just reminds me of when I lost my cat that I had since I was a little girl.... Still a nice story though

Aren't smaller breast on average more sensitive than larger breasts?

Isn't that just one of those bullshit lines porn authors like to say? Like how would you even determine if that was true or not?

Not really, it's more based on where the nerves are in the breasts. Less surface area means they're spread wider in small breast so you're more likely to feel it. And there have been studies done too to confirm this. Just goes to show what we're willing to investigate for women's health

Aren't smaller breast on average more sensitive than larger breasts?

Thank you, Momose, for such wise words =w=

@Titanoktonon: now I feel like something just went over my head cuz I can't tell if you're joking or being serious

That last paged reminded me of my one cat that has a bad habit of spending WAY too much time in my room, goes to gorge herself on food and then throws it back up in my room because she ate too fast

When you think about something funny so you start laughing to yourself without any explanation

Do you know this artist? If so, why don't you tell him that there are people who want to be their fans and even buy his product but that language is a problem? I mean, he already knows his product has been translated! Post the scans in English and sell it as an e-book for the rest of the world!

Granted, maybe the author doesnt want to be famous or sell stuff out from Japan. He only wants to sell to Japanese people. That's fair. And there's nothing that can be done about tha

I, unfortunately, don't know the author personally. It's just, after my moment of being immensely frustrated and upset and cursing the author for taking away the doujin before I could finish reading it, I calmed down and thought I wanted to know what this author was saying since someone somewhere posted his twitter. I read through the very rough google translations of his tweets and saw how sad and hurt he was to have his work put out without his knowledge or permission and it got me thinking about what I'm doing by reading scanlations because I never thought about it before.
Through his tweets, I know he had been looking at the forums, not so much now though, he's moved on to other work. But there was this one tweet where I think he was trying to say that one day the yuri we love and want to support will reach this side of the world. Though I'm not even sure if that's what he truly meant as translating Japanese to English through online translators alone is always off but I like to believe that's what he meant.

The link where the author has listed the doujin for sell: https://ziyu-kandume.booth.pm/items/877013
Technically speaking, scanlation is theft of intellectual property which is indeed a crime. It was the solution foreign readers relied on to be able to enjoy eastern works that they otherwise could not read. But perhaps it is time to look into a new solution that doesn't rely on stealing. It might be more difficult to do with major manga titles that are licensed by a publishing company, but maybe independent mangakas and doujin artists could work with translators to produce digital copies of their work that could then be sold online.
I get that you have your own opinion on the matter of how the original artist has handled the situation, but isn't it short sighted to also be upset because you can't have your way? Someone on the forums has said it before, this is the mangaka's work and if he doesn't want it freely distributed, you can't force him to ignore it. Otherwise, you're on the level of r/forexposure

I heard they weren't properly credited, but it was a mistake and simple to fix. I didn't hear anything about author actually selling it though.

He explicitly said it on his twitter that he was selling the doujinshi so it wasn't free. If you look up his prixiv.me account, he was selling this doujin there.