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The position is chairperson, not headmaster. And even if the husband joins the Aihara's, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be Mei who took over the position.

Matsuri apparently qualified for the school with the highest marks (though CT mistranslated it). Posh schools will normal offer scholarships for such students.

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joined Feb 21, 2018

If he is a chairman then there is an entire board of people who can replace him if Mei didnt want to do it. No shutting down and no selling off. Again, the entire point of a Mukoyoshi is for the husband to take over the position due to the patriarch need for male leadership. If this is a mukoyoshi then Mei isnt getting the chair position.

I just want to make it clear that mukoyoshis can be done without the daughter marrying the adopted man in order to keep the company in the family. So if this is indeed a mukoyoshi the whole marriage fiasco is still just for dramas sake, nothing really to do with reality.

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joined Mar 15, 2017

If he is a chairman then there is an entire board of people who can replace him if Mei didnt want to do it.

She does want to do it and he wants her to do it. They want it kept with the Aihara's and their values.

If he lost trust in Mei he could choose someone else though.

Again, the entire point of a Mukoyoshi is for the husband to take over the position due to the patriarch need for male leadership. If this is a mukoyoshi then Mei isnt getting the chair position.

Not entirely true. He can marry Mei, become an Aihara instead of her joining his family, and she can still become the chairperson. The point of this is the position stays with the Aihara's but Mei gets the backing of his family because of the marriage. Her being young would make such connections valuable (for instance, without that she might look weak, lose the trust of the board and get replaced).

I just want to make it clear that mukoyoshis can be done without the daughter marrying the adopted man in order to keep the company in the family.

Unlike the marriage, that would only make sense if he were being chosen to take over the position. That's not what the grandfather chose him for.

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There’s very little sense in arguing the nuanced details of corporate boards and adult adoption practices in the real world—the story specifies that the family needs an Aihara to take over the school, and Shou having bailed, it’s up to Mei. There’s the further strong implication that Mei needs to marry to make an alliance with a wealthy family for economic/status purposes.

The story doesn’t say exactly why this is the case or what the various options for control of the school might be—Gramps says he needs Mei to step up for the good of the family, full stop. Things might work in this story precisely the way they do in the real world according to Japanese corporate and inheritance law, and they might not.

(As far as this fictional world corresponding to real-world protocols, do we even know for a fact that the Aihara academy actually has any teachers at all besides Fiancé-Rapist-sensei, who’s now gone?) That doesn’t mean that there are no rules or no parallels with the default assumptions of the real world, just that the story has yet to specify exactly what they are.

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joined Feb 18, 2018

You know, in the end Matsuri was right (what has she not been right about?). Being around Mei and these rich people in the Aihara school did make Yuzu empty inside just like them. Up to the end of the election arc she was super cool, but she has become so lame. She can't even get pissed off and Go Do Stuff. What high school girl pines over an ex-girlfriend for so many months? For that reason alone I think she is better off without Mei, it's like Mei is turning Yuzu into her lol

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What high school girl pines over an ex-girlfriend for so many months?

Taking into account all gender combinations, in my experience most of them? First love can be a powerful thing . . .

And part of Yuzu's "coolness" has always been her emotional openness and vulnerability--she was never cool in a "takes everything in stride" sense. I'm not saying this is a welcome character development--I'd much rather see Yuzu kicking ass than moping around--but it's not out of line with her previous depiction.

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joined Feb 18, 2018

Well I know she was cool in being open and vulnerable, but she would actually do stuff about it rather than moping around. She is literally someone who chased a girl around a park and then tackled her in order to declare her love lol It's not very believable that she wouldn't do anything for so many months, after her girlfriend wrote an entire love declaration and then left. She challenges authority since the beginning of the story, so how can we seriously believe she would not even try to question Mei about the need to marry a dude in order to inherit the academy? Or ask everyone around where she is, etc etc. Heck even going to talk to Gramps about it, in case Mei is totally MIA.

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@matsuri_wins At that time, Yuzu wasn't certain of Mei's feelings, she was chasing after her sister, so she had to make all those efforts to be with her. Now, it's a betrayal, she thought she had her, she thought they would be together as they sorta promised in the library and with the rings but it didn't happen.

In the past, nothing was certain, so she had to give it all but was prepared for failure. There, she was hit from nowhere if we consider things from her perspective. That's my take on it : a blow you weren't prepared to take hurt a whole lot more, probably enough to change your normal behaviour.

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joined Feb 5, 2018

Harumin x Yuzu yeah, what a wonderful idea! Fast, write this to Mr. Uta.

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Harumin x Yuzu yeah, what a wonderful idea! Fast, write this to Mr. Uta.

I think that would waste the whole dynamic/storyline between the two. Friendship is beautiful thing, and theirs shouldn't be tainted by a love triangle and romance!

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She does want to do it and he wants her to do it. They want it kept with the Aihara's and their values.

Except with a Mukoyoshi Mei wouldnt be the one doing it.

Not entirely true. He can marry Mei, become an Aihara instead of her joining his family, and she can still become the chairperson. The point of this is the position stays with the Aihara's but Mei gets the backing of his family because of the marriage. Her being young would make such connections valuable (for instance, without that she might look weak, lose the trust of the board and get replaced).

Okay, it seems you have completely misunderstood the point of a Mukoyoshi. The entire point is for male heirs to take over. If a family is going to marry off their son to be adopted by another family that needs a male heir then they will expect him to get the position. The same culture that thinks an unmarried woman looks weak is the one who will want her husband in charge instead. Its not to get the backing of his family, the Aiharas are by far the most influential and if we judge by her last fiance they are not picking candidates from families that rival their own.

Unlike the marriage, that would only make sense if he were being chosen to take over the position. That's not what the grandfather chose him for.

Except the fiance had to shut down his store to get married. Why would he do that? Because he has another job lined up at a certain school.

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joined Sep 6, 2015

TIL of mukoyoshi.

Mei's issues seems clearer with this in mind.

I actually brought this up before, we had some lengthy discussions on it a few dozens of thread pages ago.

@Yuri Queen: It is actually slightly more complicated than that, it is not unheard of for female heiresses to take on the head position, while their adopted husbands get a high ranking executive position within the company. Their son (strongly preferred) is the one who is expected to one day inherit everything. The purpose of a mukoyoshi is not just to have males in charge of companies, it is primarily to stop bloodlines becoming extinct. It is a country whose reigning dynasty spans over two and a half millennia, and its elite families usually measure their history in centuries. They often faced the lack of male heirs of the blood, and adoption of husbands or relatives was common in such cases, it remains so to this day. It is not just about the school, it is also about actually continuing the Aihara line and legacy, a legacy that was strongly impressed upon Mei since she was a small child (even by her father, if memory serves, before he became a hippie).

Why I personally think her husband will be adopted is because it was specifically brought up he is the second son in his family (the first son would obviously continue their lineage and business), which is a common scenario in arranged marriages of this sort within Japanese higher classes. These pages have me convinced the husband is not meant to take over, instead, his experience in corporate management and his gentle and calm personality are brought up by the grandfather as traits that will be of help to Mei in her heavy responsibilities.

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joined Apr 21, 2018

We rarely see Yuri mangas like those. Most of them have nearly no plot -they get together and have sex, that's how Yuri is.

Oh, I do disagree with this statement! There is more yuri that totally forgoes sex, than there are yuri stories that depicts/implies sex.

We have 5 bigger yuri-themed publications:

Dolce and Hirari both are almost completely void of sex. Tsubomi wasn't as shy of sex as the previously mentioned ones, but it still almost never had sex in any stories. Yuri Hime occationally has sex in their stories. I still feel that a majority of stories in Yuri Hime avoid the topic of sex. Aya Yuri, on the other hand, is porn, and there is sex everywhere. However it has about half the amount of pages as Hirari has, so for every pornographical story there are 1.5 stories without sex to make up for it, just in Hirari!

You should think again before you imply that my yuri is... impure...

joined Mar 15, 2017

Okay, it seems you have completely misunderstood the point of a Mukoyoshi.

Here's a relevant Japanese article: www.mukoyousi.info/index.php?家業を継ぐ娘の婚活

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joined Mar 22, 2016

Volume 9 Citrus Drama CD Track 3 has HaruYuzuMatsu.

What high school girl pines over an ex-girlfriend for so many months?

Man, I don't even get how it couldn't take several months - sometimes even 1-2 years - to fully get over someone you once loved.
Maybe I'm just weird in that matter. I:

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joined Feb 18, 2018

But she is in high school and thy dated for like what, 6 months tops and didn't even have sex. Maybe she is so down because indeed she feels betrayed, that would make more sense. In any case I know that the real reason is because this is supposed to be "true love" and stuff.

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joined Feb 18, 2018

Harumin x Yuzu yeah, what a wonderful idea! Fast, write this to Mr. Uta.

I think that would waste the whole dynamic/storyline between the two. Friendship is beautiful thing, and theirs shouldn't be tainted by a love triangle and romance!

Real life more closely resembles Scum's Wish than, I don't know, Marimite lol Also sells more manga. For all we know Harumin has been holding back all this time as suggested by Matsuri (who again never been wrong in her life apparently). I do prefer HaruMatsu though...

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joined Mar 22, 2016

What was Saburo Uta trying to say?

"Thank you for buying volume 9!

If you read all the volumes over again after reading this, you might discover something new. It might be tough right now, but I think everyone who has been reading the series till now probably realizes it...until then, To their happiness!"

Credit: Chaosteam


"read all the volumes over again... you might discover something new.."

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joined Feb 5, 2018

Yuzu and Mei will end up together.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

Yuzu and Mei will end up together.

The eternal verities can be so reassuring.

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joined Oct 12, 2010

Is it bad that I am willing to watch our yuzu suffer if it means I can get more citrus.

Citrus = Top 5 yuri of all times ?

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joined Sep 21, 2015

She never though Mei would hug her lmao

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joined Feb 28, 2015

Is it bad that I am willing to watch our yuzu suffer if it means I can get more citrus.

Citrus = Top 5 yuri of all times ?

No, citrus is not good just popular.

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joined Feb 5, 2018

And you have right oguz.

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