I had actually forgotten about that whole armored wedding dress scene, so thanks for reminding me... The Class-S parody episode and the episode with all those different versions of Papika (I'm sure glad that those apparently male versions were actually female too, that was cool) which ended in succubus Papika lying on the bed in a locked room with Cocona... I would say they should at least say "I love you," but Papika must've said that like 10 times per episode. I don't think Cocona ever said it though, so THERE, I'M RIGHT.

It's when Cocona yells out that she loves Papika is when they break away from Mimi's influence completely and don the armored wedding dresses.

I don't think PriPri and Izetta had any combat scenes in matching wedding dresses, so there's that much... I guess I'm right about those two, at least? (we'll have to see what's in store for PriPri though).

For Izetta they have a very romantic magic broom ride scene which resembles a certain magic carpet ride(without the singing). Ends with a fade out kiss.

For PriPri the princess and the lizard's whole motivation for all this spy shit is simply so that they can be together. Lizard wants to run away together to a white house in the country while Princess wants to take control of the monarchy and change the country so it doesn't matter who knows that they are together. Also a nice little scene during a mission when Princess tells Lizard that she should wear her hair down like she used to, Lizard says she hates her old self, Princess then says that it's her old self that she loves so much.

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Aw i like the new girls
Momo seems like someone a bit more anxious than the carefree Naru
I like her dynamic with Aoba
It's like, similar to Aoba's desire to catch up to Kou, but because they're the same age, there's a different feeling to it
Ah yeah, even if Aoba has seniority, they have this rivalry feel. That's nice, Aoba getting a rival that's more or less on the same footing as her
I feel really proud of Aoba, how far she came, and how Momo was acknowledging her

Aw i like the new girls

Same here. Does this enough to make you change your best girl? (They almost got me though) XD

Momo seems like someone a bit more anxious than the carefree Naru

I positive that Naru have some side of personality that not show to us yet. Some serious side that completely override her carefree and cheerful side. I hope.

I am interested about relationships of new characters and the rest of the office will turn out. Especially Nene and Naru. Two playful personality stay with each other's is always interesting.

@moguTL (don't feel like quoting, this is easier, heh)

If I remember correctly, all the yuri stuff in Chuunibyou happened in S2 and the OVA. Of course, I haven't actually watched it so I dunno but yeah. Also, I looked it up and it's apparently Dekomori and Nibutani, cool names.

Tamako, Lucky Star, and Haruhi, I can definitely concede I'm wrong here. I know that just having a TV Tropes Ho Yay page doesn't count for much... but K-On has a TV Tropes Ho Yay page. That's pretty much why I watched it. I do remember being disappointed 'cause there was not nearly as much yuri as I would have liked from something which I had been led to believe was yuri (but which is not), but I still watched it to the end 'cause it was still a pretty solid anime.

@Cannibal

Ah, so Izetta and PriPri actually are that blatant about the yuri, huh... well, I guess that's two more anime to add to the huge backlog then. Thanks for telling me more about them!

"You don't need to force yourself to drink it STRAIGHT."
What did she mean by this?

"You don't need to force yourself to drink it STRAIGHT."
What did she mean by this?

Drinking it black, I'm pretty sure.

Aw i like the new girls

Same here. Does this enough to make you change your best girl? (They almost got me though) XD

Never. My best girl will always be Hifumi u_u
I can still like the other girls a lot tho lmao, i find everyone really likable

Wow the discourse sure is fresh on this fine summer day D=
I actually don't have any problem with New Game!!'s subtext-so-close-to-canon (wrt KouRin).. it does get frustrating that they're going nowhere at least not Rin, but Kou is packing her bags for France apparently lolol but we're all used to subtext at this point. I have faith in Tokunou too that he'll never put in any important male character/random het since he made that Sakura Trick doujin. Overall New Game!! is just like Lucky Star for me, a moe comedy, and you get exactly what it advertises on the tin. Though maybe when NG ends we'll finally get some resolution?

Yamato might top Ahagon as my favorite character omg.. intense tsun vibes lol. Also what's up with the reintroduction of Mozuku the cat to Aoba and co.? There were plenty of chapters before this with him in the panels weren't there? I might be mixing that up with the anime hmm, idk

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It really speaks to how faithful the season 1 anime adaptation was that the author can introduce an anime-exclusive character for the first time and everyone is confused, seriously remembering that character appearing in the manga.

I know that just having a TV Tropes Ho Yay page doesn't count for much... but K-On has a TV Tropes Ho Yay page. That's pretty much why I watched it. I do remember being disappointed 'cause there was not nearly as much yuri as I would have liked from something which I had been led to believe was yuri (but which is not), but I still watched it to the end 'cause it was still a pretty solid anime.

So you're less mad about it being yuri-bait and more mad that someone lied to you about it being yuri at all.

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I had actually forgotten about that whole armored wedding dress scene, so thanks for reminding me... The Class-S parody episode and the episode with all those different versions of Papika (I'm sure glad that those apparently male versions were actually female too, that was cool) which ended in succubus Papika lying on the bed in a locked room with Cocona were pretty blatant too, huh... I would say they should at least say "I love you," but Papika must've said that like 10 times per episode. I don't think Cocona ever said it though, so THERE, I'M RIGHT.

She did actually, at least twice. One before they gear up in wedding dress in ep 12, and another right at the climax in ep 13.

How could you forget that blatant confession in last episode? Cocona not only said "I love you". But that was also after admitting to Papika's "I Love love love you". And followed with "I am the same.... I love you. It absolutely has to be you"

Not to mention, don't tell me this closing shot is not romantic...
http://imgur.com/1NNjFoY

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Well, I have bad memory, I somehow forgot Cocona's declarations of love but remembered all of Papika's... though Papika said it much more often, so I at least guess I have that excuse... and, yes, the closing shot was unambiguously romantic.

So you're less mad about it being yuri-bait and more mad that someone lied to you about it being yuri at all.

Well, I guess saying I thought it was yuri at all is a bit inaccurate since I knew from the beginning that it definitely isn't... what I did expect was more of it than that which ended up appearing in the anime proper thanks to how long the Ho Yay page is. I wouldn't really say I was mad about it. I was just disappointed and, frankly, kind of bored toward the end. I'm not a huge fan of CGDCT anime; it's only particularly blatant yuri that makes it worth watching for me. Or if they involve peeps working at a video game company... Of course, I don't mean to criticize anyone, it's just not a genre I particularly like... thanks to the subtext (and actual honest-to-God yuri, can't discount that either), I've already ended up watching like 6 and reading innumerable amounts of manga though. Perfect example of how they rope you in in with copious amounts of subtext... (I'm definitely not complaining though, Sakura Trick, KinMoza, YuruYuri, Non Non Biyori, K-On, Gakkou Garashi, and this thing are all excellent)

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Speaking as a TV Tropes editor, don't use the Ho Yay pages. They're a desolate mixture of validity and nonsense.

Also, this might get me lynched, but, considering the narrative arc and how the drama went, there's no real way the Hibake anime could've avoided what happened with Reina. Her character in the novels is so tied to her crush on Taki that excising it would've basically left her without a purpose in the plot. Oh, and Kumiko didn't end up with Shuichi in the anime (and I've heard that only happened in the novels due to editorial interference anyway).

Speaking as a TV Tropes editor, don't use the Ho Yay pages. They're a desolate mixture of validity and nonsense.

Also, this might get me lynched, but, considering the narrative arc and how the drama went, there's no real way the Hibake anime could've avoided what happened with Reina. Her character in the novels is so tied to her crush on Taki that excising it would've basically left her without a purpose in the plot. Oh, and Kumiko didn't end up with Shuichi in the anime (and I've heard that only happened in the novels due to editorial interference anyway).

Yeah I don't really blame KyoAni for how Eupho turned out given what I've read of the books. But the books are simply bad - not because Reina has a crush on Taki but because she never realizes what a shallow and unhealthy fixation she has on him, and because nobody else ever bothers to tell her, and because the books actively set up Kumiko and Reina's relationship using language any half-way decent writer would know most readers would take as romantic (for god's sake this is a book series that features Kumiko idly fantasizing about nibbling on Reina's ear, even aside from the multiple times they tell each other they love each other - Eupho goes way way way beyond the sort of subtext you'd see in a K-On or even a Love Live) and then have Kumiko abruptly drop any such interest in Reina without even acknowledging that she's done so. This isn't even entirely a shipping thing - any time a story spends a ton of time going "HEY LOOK AT THIS THING IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT INVEST YOUR EMOTIONAL ENERGY IN THIS" and then botches the ending, and then doesn't even acknowledge that it does so, it's going to get a lot of pushback. Imagine if, after spending the backend of one movie and the front end of another agonizing over how he doesn't want to fight Darth Vader, his father, Luke had simply iced the motherfucker in the middle of the third movie, shrugged, and gone on with his life as though the whole thing had never bothered him at all. That's ridiculous, right? And even if you could twist amd torture your understanding of the characters into a place where this halfway makes sense, it's still not a particularly resonant story, right? It's also the equivalent of how Euphonium's author handles a critical character relationship. Even if she had some asshole producer sitting over her shoulder demanding that Kumiko or Reina end up with a boy at the end of the day, there were a thousand better ways to handle it than what she came up with, including simply not constantly framing Kumiko and Reina romantically/sexually to begin with.

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Speaking as a TV Tropes editor, don't use the Ho Yay pages. They're a desolate mixture of validity and nonsense.

Also, this might get me lynched, but, considering the narrative arc and how the drama went, there's no real way the Hibake anime could've avoided what happened with Reina. Her character in the novels is so tied to her crush on Taki that excising it would've basically left her without a purpose in the plot. Oh, and Kumiko didn't end up with Shuichi in the anime (and I've heard that only happened in the novels due to editorial interference anyway).

Oh yeah, the Ho Yay pages have definitely led me astray countless times. I mean, the anime these pages (and RWBY's) led me to watch were still quite solid, but... yeah, it definitely left me a bit aching for a bit more yuri involving the characters. At least K-On and RWBY have avid shipping communities (maybe not so much anymore in the case of K-On, but RWBY definitely does) and truckloads of decent doujins and fanfics and whatever else to enjoy, but I can't say the thing for KinMoza or YuruYuri... (frankly, those were both gay enough to satisfy me though).

As for Hibike, my impressions of the KumiRei ship from someone who never actually watched it was that Reina is the cool, collected type and Kumiko is the hyperactive bundle of joy or whatever. I'm not quite sure if Kumiko fits that archetype, but it seems like Reina does (of course, I'm probably mistaken). From what I've read of people who've actually watched the anime, they were pretty pissed that Reina's character was butchered in the second season in large part due to her crush on Taki although that may just be the reactions of pissed-off yuri fans (of which I would no doubt be a part if I watched Hibike myself). Anyway, that's a bit more disappointing to me than it is that the KumiRei ship ain't ever gonna sail... not really but you get my point. It is nice to hear that the Kumiko and Shuichi thing was the result of editorial interference though; KyoAni did make Kobayashi-san, after all, so they may perhaps be willing to canonize a yuri couple in Hibike after Kobayashi-san's success... it was successful, right? I'm sure they're powerful enough to just say "fuck you" to editors, but I'm sure they care about sales so... I dunno. They did apparently excise all the prominent Kumiko/Shuichi scenes in the anime, so, maybe, just maybe... I dunno what happens with Reina and Taki, but I hope that they don't actually hook up... well, maybe they do and his ass gets sent to jail, that'd be nice.

Edit: I just saw Spiritus' thing, so I'd like to comment on it a bit... well, it seems that Reina and Taki actually do end up together? For fuck's sake. Good thing I chose to avoid this shitstain. I guess that partly explains why peeps said her character was completely butchered, at least if she was set up to be the rational and restrained type like I think she is. Surely, the books/anime can't be that bad though, can it? The only criticism I really hear about it is its over-the-top queerbaiting and completely fucking horrendous relationships in general, but it seems like the general opinion is that the story aside from that is pretty decent. I was one of those people who wished that K-On would focus on the actual music once in a while, so it's nice that there's something that apparently does... even if I never will watch it 'cause of the aforementioned queerbaiting.

Also, dear God, this thread sure went off the rails. That's probably my fault, so I'll own up to it...

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Reina doesn't end up with Taki, but the part of the story where you'd expect her to come to her senses and realize she's crushing on a widower she barely knows and who's 20 years her senior and that she should move on turns out being the part where Reina just doubles down on chasing him like a child. Also Kumiko barely says ANYTHING to her through this point or afterwards, instead fixating very heavily on Asuka who conveniently leaves at the end of the season before we can start expecting anything to come of THAT either.

This was all in the books and KyoAni does it's damndest to make a lot of it work, so I don't really blame them for how it turned out, but goddamn is the original text just a disaster at this point. It's a real shame, it was really really good up to that point, but Reina's arc just ends hideously terribly and it poisons everything around it. There's an off-chance that the author is playing people and the new novels/movies will fix it, but the way she's talking in interviews does NOT inspire confidence.

Unlike New Game, which is good and fundamentally respects the audience's investment in the characters.

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Reina doesn't end up with Taki, but the part of the story where you'd expect her to come to her senses and realize she's crushing on a widower she barely knows and who's 20 years her senior and that she should move on turns out being the part where Reina just doubles down on chasing him like a child. Also Kumiko barely says ANYTHING to her through this point or afterwards, instead fixating very heavily on Asuka who conveniently leaves at the end of the season before we can start expecting anything to come of THAT either.

This was all in the books and KyoAni does it's damndest to make a lot of it work, so I don't really blame them for how it turned out, but goddamn is the original text just a disaster at this point.

Well, I'm glad that she at least didn't end up with him even if she does act like a complete idiot, that's a comforting thought. I think in that case that KumiRei still has a 99% chance of... not happening. Many peeps apparently support Kumika? Asiko? I dunno... too, so I was hoping that'd work out, but, nope, apparently she conveniently leaves at the end of the season.

I'm still holding on to the hope that something even remotely gay becomes canon in the movies. Probably not, but if it does... (I think I said this before but I'll say it again) I'm gonna binge watch the entire fucking series in a day. Did you hear that KyoAni? MAKE KUMIREI CANON AND YOU GET ONE DEVOTED FAN! PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE UP FOR THE HUNDREDS WHO'LL STOP SUPPORTING ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE 1. I'M NOT JAPANESE NOR DO I LIVE IN JAPAN AND 2. I'M CHEAP BUT, STILL, PLEASE, KYOANI.

Ah... All this delicious freshmen rivalries, not to mention remembering all the different artists names. Soon you'll grow up and only care about your own work and 80% of the art u used to love suddenly doesn't feel special anymore as you become more aware of the flaws...

Yeah, I won't defend Reina's character arc. All it did was make her selfish and clingy, and in the end I don't think anyone really wanted her to end up with Kumiko after what she turned into. Kumiko's arc was fine though, and that's, you know the point of Hibake.

I know it's a bit hyperbolic to say on the Yuri based site, but maybe people shouldn't expect their desired ships to come true. Any hate I see on Hibake is left entirely on the lack of romantic resolution rather than the actual narrative of the story.

I know it's a bit hyperbolic to say on the Yuri based site, but maybe people shouldn't expect their desired ships to come true. Any hate I see on Hibake is left entirely on the lack of romantic resolution rather than the actual narrative of the story.

I loved Reina's rounded yet always dignified character from the first season, that and her relationship with Kumiko were what made me like the show. The way her "crush" was handled in the second season was silly and disrespectful. Even if someone like her did get a crush on their teacher, I couldn't accept them acting in such a childish manner for no good reason.

That's the fault of pacing IMO. Only the first novel (which the first season covered) really focused on Reina as a character. Thus, people got into their head that she was the secondary main character.

For a moment I thought this was the wrong thread lol, I just came to say that the anime just covered the promotional art issue. I really prefer Aoba's choice because of the background and mostly because Kou's remind me of a zombie poster
But I guess it was hard to convey a real difference in skill with a drawing inside an anime

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Enk posted:

But I guess it was hard to convey a real difference in skill with a drawing inside an anime

If you go by the meeting, it was less about how good the drawings were and more the fact that Kou worked for Eagle jump longer. It was even said if Aoba's art ended up being better than Kou's it would still be rejected.

Yeah but if the result was good and obviously superior, enough to make Aoba cry I would've loved to feel that too

As far as composition goes, Aoba's is more simplistic and doesn't quite convey the theme of the game as well. It's not as easily understandable what is going on to people who don't already know the game.

It would be better for an artbook than for an advertisement.

Does it really show her hiding? Her face is out, and she's waving, drawing attention to herself.

Someone without prior knowledge of the game would likely not associate that image with "infiltration".

Aaaaa the latest ep was really good. Dogakobo really expanded nicely on the original material. Second season's just been a delight so far.

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