Arguments about tagging aside, I definitely like this world where tipsy women are randomly flirting with cute girls on the street and the only objection raised is "she looks a bit young, doesn't she?" The fact that she apparently has a dick being less noteworthy than her killer abs is also A++

Perfect world.

The problem is people trying very hard to take offense where none was intended. This work was tagged futanari by the author. Tagging it futanari on this site (and not yuri) is perfectly sensible, because it describes the story most accurately.

intent doesnt decide whether something is shitty

Realize that 'yuri' is a genre, an established subset of story. It is not the Japanese word for 'lesbians'. Tagging this story futanari and not yuri is in no way a statement about real life trans women's ability to be lesbians, whether they still have their penises or not.

this site classifies literally anything with romantic / sexual interaction between women and doesn't involve a guy as yuri

so long as both women are cis

if your definition of yuri is broad enough to include rape but not so broad as to include trans women your definition of yuri is transphobic

like there's a comic on here where a gay girl rapes a straight girl and that gets the yuri tag

but if there's a trans girl then its automatically not yuri?

if you can't see why that's fucked you're transphobic

I really loved this story, even if it was melancholic (which usually isn't my thing).

It's a really interesting take on the character, and a well told little snippet.

if your definition of yuri is broad enough to include rape but not so broad as to include trans women your definition of yuri is transphobic

honestly there's basically no reason not to have a yuri tag in addition to a futa tag. Even with regard to the practicality of tags. She's a girl with a dick having sex with another girl.

yuri~

If you don't want to read something like that, the futa tag is right there to scare you off. nbd. You can even blacklist the futa tag and enjoy the dearth of penises.

If yuri isn't simply a porn category anymore (it isn't, though it very much used to be), then imo it should include all romantic and/or sexual girl x girl (x girl x girl x girl...) content. Including girls with dicks.

also go fuck yourself, dfghdfghqwedfg. had to make a throwaway for that, huh?

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VivianGames posted:

but if there's a trans girl then its automatically not yuri?

Just to clarify, Dynasty does tag Transgender and Yuri together. The issue is more that this story was originally tagged as Futanari which Dynasty never tags as yuri, because too many people hate futanari, don't want to read it, don't consider it yuri and apparently can't use tags to avoid stories they don't like. Futanari is treated differently here than Transgender and whatever staff here consider futa as yuri or not, they choose to always separate those 2 tags and doesn't seem to intended on changing it.

Wow nyanya. You said you will shut up and then create new account to keep complaining? Or you fucked up and logged in into wrong account by mistake? Or you don't care anymore at this point? Either way, I don't have to know if you are smart or not, you just proved to me yourself you are a moron.

EDIT/ And the moron's post were purged. How to not love this guy.

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This whole issue would be so easily solved if the 'futanari' tag on this doujin was changed to 'yuri'.

Wow nyanya. You said you will shut up and then create new account to keep complaining? Or you fucked up or logged in into wrong account by mistake? Or you don't care anymore at this point? Either way, I don't have to know if you are smart or not, you just proved to me yourself you are a moron.

EDIT/ And the moron's post were purged. How to not love this guy.

That had nothing to do with me, good job making yourself look like an idiot.
And what's up with the weird animosity towards me, are you like this with anyone that you disagree with?

Please stop with accusing nyanya of being someone else. Even if they are, it's irrelevant to anything being discussed here, and it's kind of rude as well.

This is @ the "I disagree what you say this is trans" part. Which I can't include as a quote for some reason or else it gets detected as spam.

I see where you're coming from because the plot could very well be leading up to a story about a transgender experience, but I resent the fact that ftnr is what you say it is.

Yuri artist who draw ftnr works or write those stories tend to not focus on disgusting fetish material the way H artists do. You have a doujin by Zawawa (satoukibi1108) uploaded on this site that doesn't fit that criteria. Zawawa draws ftnr frequently, and each of her stories focus on the intimacy and relationship dynamic of Nozomi and Eli, rather than being another meaningless r18 work.

Tagging it as something you personally interpret it as is not the end of the world, but it does come off as stubborn when two people have told you it is otherwise.

VivianGames posted:

but if there's a trans girl then its automatically not yuri?

Just to clarify, Dynasty does tag Transgender and Yuri together. The issue is more that this story was originally tagged as Futanari which Dynasty never tags as yuri, because too many people hate futanari, don't want to read it, don't consider it yuri and apparently can't use tags to avoid stories they don't like. Futanari is treated differently here than Transgender and whatever staff here consider futa as yuri or not, they choose to always separate those 2 tags and doesn't seem to intended on changing it.

Thing is, this isn't even a futanari doujin, is it? No penis is ever depicted, so I feel that tag could be removed and replaced with a yuri one, which would represent the doujin far better.

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VivianGames posted:

but if there's a trans girl then its automatically not yuri?

Just to clarify, Dynasty does tag Transgender and Yuri together. The issue is more that this story was originally tagged as Futanari which Dynasty never tags as yuri, because too many people hate futanari, don't want to read it, don't consider it yuri and apparently can't use tags to avoid stories they don't like. Futanari is treated differently here than Transgender and whatever staff here consider futa as yuri or not, they choose to always separate those 2 tags and doesn't seem to intended on changing it.

"Dynasty tags transgender and yuri together" well in this case they're calling it transgender but not yuri

and one of the staff members literally said it wouldnt be yuri regardless of if the character is trans or futa

so its pretty clear the Official Stance is that a trans girl having sex with another woman isn't yuri to them

which you know is a great message to send to a vulnerable community

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meanmachinery posted:

Thing is, this isn't even a futanari doujin, is it? No penis is ever depicted, so I feel that tag could be removed and replaced with a yuri one, which would represent the doujin far better.

Well to me it feels much more like trans story than futa, but because author is know for futa doujins and they supposedly tagged it this way, everyone jumped to conclusion it has to be futa.

meanmachinery posted:

Thing is, this isn't even a futanari doujin, is it? No penis is ever depicted, so I feel that tag could be removed and replaced with a yuri one, which would represent the doujin far better.

Well to me it feels much more like trans story than futa, but because author is know for futa doujins and they supposedly tagged it this way, everyone jumped to conclusion it has to be futa.

I personally think this doujin stands on its own as a transgender yuri doujin! In a perfect world, I think this doujin would have been tagged yuri, transgender, age_gap and drama, and we could have avoided this huge, ugly thread.

It would have been a better world...

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Holy Hell, this is still going on... .___.
Wonder what the author would think of their work getting people so riled up :0

I still don't see where the dick everyone is talking about is shown/mentioned.

I read this twice and I can't, for the life of me, see where this is transgender or even futa.

Except, maybe, the position? Or just the author mentioned in his twitter, "hey, You has a dick by the way! Just so you know."

Someone please enlighten me?

I still don't see where the dick everyone is talking about is shown/mentioned.

I read this twice and I can't, for the life of me, see where this is transgender or even futa.

Except, maybe, the position? Or just the author mentioned in his twitter, "hey, You has a dick by the way! Just so you know."

Someone please enlighten me?

From what I hear from the translator, Pito (the author) said that You was transgender on their twitter, but dynasty tagged it as futanari, and everything went from there.

position and dialogue and author history imply it

allegedly the author said it outright too

i think pito tagged it as futa because fuckin nobody writes about trans girls unless they're trans

but its a story wherein the character reads as trans and there's nothing that defines it as one way or the other

in fact an issue with a lot of stuff labeled futa is that other than word of god a lot of times there's nothing that actually distinguishes them from trans characters / trans interpretations of characters if its not the sort of futa where they have both sets of genitals

a lot of times artists just draw a girl with a dick and balls and either through complete ignorance that trans people exist or outright disgust at the idea of trans women they label that girl futa

or a variety of transphobic slurs

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This was a good read but also a downer. My feels, dude.

Though I do think the tagging should be Transgender and Yuri instead of Futanari and Transgender but that's just my opinion on it. I did double check the twitter as well and even PITO linked it to the tumblr on where their comic got translated, it even had the transgender tag.

P.S.: Sorry in advance if I ever offend anyone on this thing.

EDIT: Checked the twitter again, when translating PITO's tweet on the original tweet post the translation will show you "Futanari" but going to the tumblr link where their comic was translated, the tag was "Transgender".

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Nya-chan posted:

Except, maybe, the position?

Well "going somewhere where people will not know me" and general depressing feeling fits into it pretty well, but yea, the position just doesn't seem like one you would use to have lesbian sex. They don't really touch themselves, scissoring is hard to achieve in the first place and definitely not from this position and I doubt either of them carry strap-on or dildo with them at all times and even if they could get it in hotel I don't think you usually go for it when you have sex with someone for the first time, especially when it is literally your first time (and I don't even want to start discussion about sex doesn't count until there is penetration, so it is obvious they would use something). Again I'm open to it not being trans at all, that is why I said it just seems and feel to me this way, but if we are going to tag it with either of them, I think trans fits better.

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EDIT: Checked the twitter again, when translating PITO's tweet on the original tweet post the translation will show you "Futanari" but going to the tumblr link where their comic was translated, the tag was "Transgender".

If that's the case, then I definitely agree with the Transgender and Yuri combo.

EDIT: Checked the twitter again, when translating PITO's tweet on the original tweet post the translation will show you "Futanari" but going to the tumblr link where their comic was translated, the tag was "Transgender".

If that's the case, then I definitely agree with the Transgender and Yuri combo.

Yes please, I think that's more accurate.

I was confused when I saw both trans and futa tags in this. I agree with Nez and the others that this feels more like a trans story. But whichever one it is, it's a nice story. Why did it end so abruptly, though? Only 8 pages?

Oh, Vivian, I'm a trans girl too, nice to meet ya! <3
I get why you're angry, but in this particular case, I'd say it's really not worth the trouble. We need to fight for recognition but we also need to learn to protect ourselves. I'm a medicine student, I get transphobia in lessons every other day, if I'd let it all get to me I'd have quit graduation long ago.

scrhodinger futa

ROFL.

If that's the case, then I definitely agree with the Transgender and Yuri combo.

Yay! <3

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EDIT: Checked the twitter again, when translating PITO's tweet on the original tweet post the translation will show you "Futanari" but going to the tumblr link where their comic was translated, the tag was "Transgender".

If that's the case, then I definitely agree with the Transgender and Yuri combo.

Yes please, I think that's more accurate.

I don't set the tags though, although the idea has my support.

Let me start by saying I am personally not that fond of the word "futanari". I do not like using that word and, while I definitely do not hate it, I prefer it when the girls are depicted as trans girls instead of futa girls.

However, I do respect the people who like it because I do not see anything wrong with it. It is just one of the many things people are into. That is why, despite having sworn that I'd never partake in any discourse on this hell site, I am going to say this:

Before making any assumptions about this comic, please check the original tweets.

PITO explicitly stated that You is a futa girl in this comic.

Futanari, not trans. By using the "Transgender" tag on this comic, you are giving everyone the wrong idea about what the author intended for people to see AND disrespecting the author's intentions.

It does not matter what this feels like to you.
It feels You's a trans girl? Maybe it does, okay, but she isn't. She's a futa--that's what the author said, so that's the info you should provide us, the readers, with. You do not get to decide what this comic /is/ because you are not the author. You did not create this comic. Therefore, you have no right to change what the author wanted people to see this comic as, which is Futa!You losing her virginity to an older woman she doesn't know.

And I think it's pretty obvious that futa =/= trans. We all know what futa means: someone with both a penis and a vagina. A trans girl would be a someone who was assigned male at birth, but is a girl.

TL;DR - It would be much appreciated if you removed the "Transgender" tag because that is simply not what You is. Please respect the author by using the "Futanari" tag alone, as that is what he did in Twitter.

EDIT: Checked the twitter again, when translating PITO's tweet on the original tweet post the translation will show you "Futanari" but going to the tumblr link where their comic was translated, the tag was "Transgender".

If that's the case, then I definitely agree with the Transgender and Yuri combo.

Yes please, I think that's more accurate.

I don't set the tags though, although the idea has my support.

That's what I have gathered on the tumblr post and the tweet, specifically the person's tag on the translated comic was #trans yo tag which I assumed they tagged it as Transgender if ever I maybe wrong on this, I apologize.

EDIT: Note, one cannot simply rely on Google/Bing translate alone when I initially translated the whole tweet the word "Futanari" popped on the comic but when I removed the other words and simply took what I assumed to be the korean word or phrase for Futanari... Google gave me Afghanistan of all things. Then I removed the other words that was besides it, it gave me Futanari. Whole point is the translator had tagged in Transgender but PITO had mentioned Futanari on their tweet. I think it is right to assume that the tag should be Transgender and Yuri since they are the one who translated it. But as said apologies if I offended anyone this is just my understanding on the matter.

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