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joined Dec 26, 2013

Saw there was 175 comments, then I realized it was basically one big argument. Anyway another good read Pito

The discussion and comic title is appropriate to the whole thing lol.

EDIT: I just woke up to find an argument starting to brew over again. Uh, guys I think it should really stop. It's just going to drag on forever since no side wants to back down.

last edited at Apr 15, 2017 12:52AM

Alcoholism
joined Apr 15, 2017

Pito is awesome as always. Thank you dynasty-scans<3

joined Apr 26, 2016

Isn't futa intersex and Yikuph hormones give boobs
im an a cup

More like a hermaphrodite, Yeah I know, but she is just teens highscooler, can't imagine she/he use hormones or surgery. But whatever if that's really what pito have in mind.

Intersex and she and teens get hrt look at Marika from Bokura no hentai

joined Mar 19, 2016

Saw there was 175 comments, then I realized it was basically one big argument. Anyway another good read Pito

The discussion and comic title is appropriate to the whole thing lol.

EDIT: I just woke up to find an argument starting to brew over again. Uh, guys I think it should really stop. It's just going to drag on forever since no side wants to back down.

I just think it's strange that dynasty would have such a transphobic approach to tagging a doujin with a transgendered character, so I'd be very happy if they changed it.

Happy%20face
joined Oct 12, 2016

YuriSensei, I've been wondering where your pic is from? I want to find out more about that kind girl.

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joined Dec 26, 2013

YuriSensei, I've been wondering where your pic is from? I want to find out more about that kind girl.

It's from one of the fanbooks on Hayate x Blade. Can't remember which one though but it's from there.

EDIT: Managed to find it. Here, https://dynasty-scans.com/series/hxb_fanbook

last edited at Apr 15, 2017 3:54AM

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joined Dec 26, 2013

Saw there was 175 comments, then I realized it was basically one big argument. Anyway another good read Pito

The discussion and comic title is appropriate to the whole thing lol.

EDIT: I just woke up to find an argument starting to brew over again. Uh, guys I think it should really stop. It's just going to drag on forever since no side wants to back down.

I just think it's strange that dynasty would have such a transphobic approach to tagging a doujin with a transgendered character, so I'd be very happy if they changed it.

Hmm, well it's being fixed as we speak. It mostly stems from the confusion of the translation of the tweet and the tagging on the original post on the tumblr. But as said, we just have to wait for further clarification or till the tagging is changed.

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joined Sep 25, 2015

Just a reminder transgender x female isn't yuri.

W
joined Jun 5, 2015

Entoma posted:

Just a reminder transgender x female isn't yuri.

You shouldn't use term transgender if you are not accepting them in the first place.

joined Mar 19, 2016

Just a reminder transgender x female isn't yuri.

This is exactly why this doujin should be tagged as "transgender" and "yuri", so that people will realize that transgender girls are also yuri.

W
joined Jun 5, 2015

meanmachinery posted:

Just a reminder transgender x female isn't yuri.

This is exactly why this doujin should be tagged as "transgender" and "yuri", so that people will realize that transgender girls are also yuri.

No, they said it exactly because they don't consider trans woman, a woman, and wanted to "correct" us. Different tags wouldn't change anything.

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joined Mar 19, 2016

meanmachinery posted:

Just a reminder transgender x female isn't yuri.

This is exactly why this doujin should be tagged as "transgender" and "yuri", so that people will realize that transgender girls are also yuri.

No, they said it exactly because they don't consider trans woman, a woman, and wanted to "correct" us. Different tags wouldn't change anything.

It wouldn't change anything immediately, but it'd have dynasty take a stance and show that they consider trans women to be women rather than "futanari". Progress is made by small steps like that.

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joined Aug 23, 2014

i thought the general rule is it's not yuri if there's a penis involved

did I miss something?

joined Mar 19, 2016

i thought the general rule is it's not yuri if there's a penis involved

did I miss something?

Yuri is lesbian fiction; as in fiction about two (or more) women, so the question is whether or not transgender women are women or not.
(They are.)

W
joined Jun 5, 2015

nightblade96 posted:

i thought the general rule is it's not yuri if there's a penis involved

did I miss something?

Yes, entire existence of people who are born with wrong gender.

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Happy%20face
joined Oct 12, 2016

It wouldn't change anything immediately, but it'd have dynasty take a stance and show that they consider trans women to be women rather than "futanari". Progress is made by small steps like that.

Fortunately, dynasty already consider trans women to be women and yuri. But they are also simultaneously committed to preserving the futa tag as the default (unless manga is explicitly trans) interpretation of women with penises, in order to prevent fetish porny stuff from being labeled transgender. The drawbacks of this policy have been noted.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

Well, is You identifying as a male or as a female in there??

What gender was he/she assigned at birth?

This is pretty confusing.

If this doujin is indeed transgender, and You has a dick, then it means that You is a trans male. Because You Watanabe is a girl in the original.

So it's het, not yuri. And you all are fighting the wrong fight.

Or I didn't get enough sleep and my mind is foggy. Either or.

joined Mar 19, 2016

It wouldn't change anything immediately, but it'd have dynasty take a stance and show that they consider trans women to be women rather than "futanari". Progress is made by small steps like that.

Fortunately, dynasty already consider trans women to be women and yuri. But they are also simultaneously committed to preserving the futa tag as the default (unless manga is explicitly trans) interpretation of women with penises, in order to prevent fetish porny stuff from being labeled transgender. The drawbacks of this policy have been noted.

The latter point is why this entire thread is somewhat ridiculous, because at no point in this manga is a penis even depicted. There isn't even a NSFW tag on the doujin, and no real reason to tag it with "futanari".

It's a yuri manga with a (possibly, it's honestly not even that obvious) trans woman You, and it'd be neat if the tags represented that, rather than used the "futanari" one.

W
joined Jun 5, 2015

Nya-chan posted:

Well, is You identifying as a male or as a female in there??

What gender was he/she assigned at birth?

This is pretty confusing.

If this doujin is indeed transgender, and You has a dick, then it means that You is a trans male. Because You Watanabe is a girl in the original.

So it's het, not yuri. And you all are fighting the wrong fight.

Or I didn't get enough sleep and my mind is foggy. Either or.

You are sleep.

If You is originally a woman and in this doujin has a dick but still present herself as woman than she is trans female. And usually when doujins make characters be transgender, they still identify as the gender from the show, so again, You has a dick because she was born male but identify as a female. And my prove she is identify as a female is because older women calls her a girl and she doesn't correct her. If she was male either trans or not, she would correct her, unless she didn't want to correct her, because she wanted to be seen as a girl.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT YOU IS A TRANS WOMAN? A pre-op one at that.

I was under the impression that the You here is a trans male.

This whole discussion is dumb. People are grasping at straws here.

The fact that he/she didn't correct the woman but they didn't even discuss the fact she has a penis once in the hotel makes this very illogical and doesn't prove anything.

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Ss%20(2013-06-03%20at%2007.40.38)
joined Aug 23, 2014

So you can say that every het doujin is yuri as long you argue that the guy identifies as a woman? what

If it's biologically a male it shouldn't be yuri.

If there's both penis and vagina then it's futanari

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joined Mar 19, 2016

So you can say that every het doujin is yuri as long you argue that the guy identifies as a woman? what

If it's biologically a male it shouldn't be yuri.

This is a dumb argument, because the men in those doujins clearly don't identify or get identified as women. It's completely seperate from a transgendered character.

WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT YOU IS A TRANS WOMAN? A pre-op one at that.

I was under the impression that the You here is a trans male.

This whole discussion is dumb. People are grasping at straws here.

The fact that he/she didn't correct the woman but they didn't even discuss the fact she has a penis once in the hotel makes this very illogical and doesn't prove anything.

Exactly, it is clear that You in this manga identifies as a woman, and is identified as one by the older woman. Therefore it's clearly yuri, right?

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joined Aug 23, 2014

How can it be yuri if it's heterosexual sexual intercourse between a biological male and a biological female

Sexual identification is fine and all but bending everyone else to your own viewpoint is just selfish

joined Mar 19, 2016

How can it be yuri if it's heterosexual sexual intercourse between a biological male and a biological female

Sexual identification is fine and all but bending everyone else to your own viewpoint is just selfish

I wonder if you are even aware of the irony here yourself...

It's not heterosexual sexual intercourse. It's two women, who identify as women, flirting and having sex, so it's a lesbian relationship. It's yuri.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

After thinking a bit, she can't be a transmale (a real life one), because the "penis" wouldn't work the way it's hinted it does here. Basic knowledge about post-op transmales.

But then, it's not clear what she identifies as.

She responds to being called a girl, but doesn't seem to have problems with using her male genitals to have sex. Which seem odd for a trans woman. Everyone is different, but when you identify as a woman, your male genitals become a reminder of your predicament.

So, maybe futanari isn't that much off the mark. I dunno.

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