ForumGoing Off Course discussion

Heres%20wakasa
joined Jul 28, 2016

"but, you know, since she's sleeping around with some random girls instead, it's all good."
Nice double standards. If you think faceless generic female is good, then by the same logic a faceless generic male is also good, unless of course you have some weird bias going on, like the "females are more pure" bullshit...

I agree that the "females are more pure" argument is pure bullshit, and I also agree that my weird bias is a pretty bad double standard. I'm still not really sure why I'm okay with certain things like these (and more innocent things such as kabedons) when it ain't a male that's involved/"taking the lead" or whatnot, but I'd say it's more because I hate male characters than because I view women as being all pure and innocent. Well, I could get into this more, but I don't want this thread to be any more clogged up than it already is...

I guess it's time to bring all the doujins with faceless males raping girls from yuri series to Dynasty then.
Because the concept of quality of derivative works doesn't actually exist right?

As much as I love this place, I must say that plenty of the doujins on here are completely horrible. By completely horrible, I mean they range from, well, just not good but, admittedly, with good intentions at heart to just ridiculously disturbing and awful. I haven't been brave enough to read any of SOFTCHARM's or John K Peta's "works of art" yet, but, well, the point is that I don't think the people in charge of uploading stuff to Dynasty ever really cared about this concept anyway. They just upload whatever they want, which is why we have some het stuff here too like 14-sai no Koi (that's probably not the best example, but there are definitely some others that I forgot about). Not saying that's bad, of course... it's their site, after all, so they can do what they will with it. That kind of stuff... I'd presume that the staff would not want that kind of stuff on this site, so they simply don't upload it onto this site. Of course, my assumptions might be and probably am completely wrong or at least really poorly worded, so I apologize in advance if they are wrong and offend anyone in the staff.

Addressing this piece in particular, I'd say that this at least has more "artistic merit" than any of those kinds of doujins. I mean, let's just take a look at the facts: 1 - none of the characters are sexualized at all. You barely even see anything during the sex scene and it's handled fairly tamely, at least in my opinion. 2 - Well, it actually has a story with a well-defined conflict and some fairly philosophical things (of course, that's subjective). Personally, I thought You's thoughts on the lack of afterglow after her first time, so to speak, were fairly well done. Yeah, whether something has artistic merit is all subjective in the end, but I can state with confidence that this work definitely has more artistic merit than any of those pieces of trash.

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joined Sep 30, 2016

the author needs to cut off the head and that who adds anything of shit on this website

Popcorn
joined Jun 5, 2015

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

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Tumblr_inline_nmpg2zqwcs1s53ljo_100
joined Apr 4, 2014

Slept in what did I miss?

Damn this was nice You is slowly becoming one of my favourites in LL. Thanks to the translators and Pito. Can't wait for more

Blyat
joined Sep 12, 2012

I guess it's time to bring all the doujins with faceless males raping girls from yuri series to Dynasty then.
Because the concept of quality of derivative works doesn't actually exist right?

What you describe isn't yuri, this one is. Dynasty is yuri centered so faceless men doujins won't be uploaded here. Not because they're bad or anything, but because they're not what this site is about. I don't think anyone should be in a position to mandate what porn or lewd stories or whatever people like reading.

If you find the quality not to your tastes you should just ignore it. Others might like it. As such, you not liking it is no grounds for having it deleted from the site.

How about we started minding our own business for a change. Would solve many problems.

Setsuko2
joined Jan 20, 2014

I think this site should use the tags to categorize content, and not political correctness.
you know... cuz tags are used for people who LOOK for things in uploads and searches.
Like, Some might look for yuri, but are not interested in stories with transgenderd characters.

Transgender and Yuri tags separate.... and Futanari too ofc (I am not sure about this case specifically, dont know what the artist actually said.).

Have a tag for transgender who identify as women and are attracted to women/in a relationship with.... something like... Transgender-Yuri ? idk, just spitballing here.

lol why would they need a tag with transgender and yuri combined when they can just...add them both to the story XD

either way, i kinda liked it. i don't read any of the original stuff so i have the freedom to have no clue on the accuracy on the character's portrayal lol, and therefore am free to enjoy it as it is lol.

Saki.-.the.player.full.1418900
joined Mar 21, 2015

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

You're wrong. Even IF you were right, that's ad hominem. Please stop.

@Minutoh
"1 - none of the characters are sexualized at all." and "2 - Well, it actually has a story with a well-defined conflict and some fairly philosophical things (of course, that's subjective)."
I agree, those points are the saving grace of this work.

But remember, you and everyone else, that all I'm saying is that "Character A is being depicted doing things that were never implied in the original and those things are of a morally questionable nature" and "The work in question also uses an original character that is in no way related to the source material". These are facts and don't change regardless of what you think.

Swap!-min-min
joined Jan 13, 2017

So that's why this thread has over 80 comments.

Happy%20face
joined Oct 12, 2016

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

You're wrong. Even IF you were right, that's ad hominem. Please stop.

But remember, you and everyone else, that all I'm saying is that "Character A is being depicted doing things that were never implied in the original and those things are of a morally questionable nature"

This has nothing to do with slut shaming, it's about portraying a character and a series as something that they aren't. It's also about quality standards (dynasty's).
Don't bring morality to this discussion please.

Yeah...def not trolling...

joined Jun 17, 2014

Didn't you see you boobs?! oh come on

Saki.-.the.player.full.1418900
joined Mar 21, 2015

I guess it's time to bring all the doujins with faceless males raping girls from yuri series to Dynasty then.
Because the concept of quality of derivative works doesn't actually exist right?

What you describe isn't yuri, this one is. Dynasty is yuri centered so faceless men doujins won't be uploaded here. Not because they're bad or anything, but because they're not what this site is about. I don't think anyone should be in a position to mandate what porn or lewd stories or whatever people like reading.

If you find the quality not to your tastes you should just ignore it. Others might like it. As such, you not liking it is no grounds for having it deleted from the site.

How about we started minding our own business for a change. Would solve many problems.

Here comes the delusional libertarian...

  • "I don't think anyone should be in a position to mandate what porn or lewd stories or whatever people like reading. " Except that is exactly what is going on in this site... the staff decides what it considers to be good/acceptable and what isn't on a daily basis. Did you also know that original non-character garbage is not well seen at official series events? Fans don't want to go to an event and see their series shitted on.

-"What you describe isn't yuri, this one is."
Funny, I don't see the yuri tag.

-"If you find the quality not to your tastes you should just ignore it. Others might like it. As such, you not liking it is no grounds for having it deleted from the site."
This isn't about what me or you like or don't like, nor is it about deleting anything. It's about how inconsistent the community (dynasty's and in general) are when it comes to quality. And by this, I obviously mean the recurring double standard of "hetero is bad on principle, everything that is yuri is good".

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

Don't understand the shitstorm about this doujin.

While it's a bit depressing, because You is down and lost her virginity to a random faceless (but nice) woman, overall it's quite good.

There's no indication of transgender or futanari, so I don't understand where it comes from. Only from the author's twitter? From previous works? The position in the sex scene? The sentence "you let it all out"?

The woman seem to expect a woman ("Girl in the cap"),though it could be a problem with translation, and if she has a dick, doesn't seem surprised. But then, there are boobs. So I suppose in that setting, girls with dicks are ordinary?

So, without the tags, I would never have guessed there was a dick somewhere. Only two girls having a one night stand in a love hotel.

On its own, without the politics and drama-llamas above involved, this doujin is quite nice. I love the way Pito draws girls (I'm a sucker for tomboys), just not a fan of his storytelling in My Joy or Her Pet.

At least, he's a yuri fan. He needs a co-author.

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B25e08d9df956cc70b30a6cce4e9e9cb
joined Aug 27, 2013

double standard of "hetero is bad on principle, everything that is yuri is good"

What do you mean double? Hetero is bad, I hate it. I don't have hetero friends, I don't talk to my relatives, I only have social relationships with lesbians and I feel great about it. Well, some guys and girls out there are hetero, I might ask for a tissue from them and would give one if being asked, nothing more. What's so double standart about my hate to hetero?

Although I do agree with you - this doujin is piece of shit. Well drawn, but disgusting.

Ozy_avatar
joined Jan 30, 2013

I actually expected the ending where that girl gets a face.

joined Dec 4, 2016

Futanari is Hermaphrodite, and Transgender is clearly not Hermaphrodite. Putting both tag together is like putting het and yuri tag together imo.

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Saki.-.the.player.full.1418900
joined Mar 21, 2015

double standard of "hetero is bad on principle, everything that is yuri is good"

What do you mean double? Hetero is bad, I hate it. I don't have hetero friends, I don't talk to my relatives, I only have social relationships with lesbians and I feel great about it. Well, some guys and girls out there are hetero, I might ask for a tissue from them and would give one if being asked, nothing more. What's so double standart about my hate to hetero?

Although I do agree with you - this doujin is piece of shit. Well drawn, but disgusting.

"Hetero work A" and "Yuri work B "having the exact same content aside from character's genders. "Work A" is seen as bad/unacceptable while "work B" is seen as good/acceptable SOLELY based on one being hetero and the other being yuri.
Since you've deemed everything that is hetero bad, you're like the embodiment of this double standard lmao.
Homosexual and Heterosexual people aren't inherently good/bad because of their sexual orientation.

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B25e08d9df956cc70b30a6cce4e9e9cb
joined Aug 27, 2013

Homosexual and Heterosexual people aren't inherently good/bad because of their sexual orientation.

Weeeeeell, I don't think so, really. I'm not going to explain my views, because it's useless flood, but I don't have any double standarts. Or you just don't understand the meaning of this expression.

Saki.-.the.player.full.1418900
joined Mar 21, 2015

Homosexual and Heterosexual people aren't inherently good/bad because of their sexual orientation.

Weeeeeell, I don't think so, really. I'm not going to explain my views, because it's useless flood, but I don't have any double standarts. Or you just don't understand the meaning of this expression.

"I judge people based solely on their sexual orientation."
"I can judge situations fairly without looking at each part's sexual orientation."

This is very hard to believe, but I'll believe it anyway because there is no point in denying it. When I mention double standards, I obviously mean the people that think "...B-But it's fine if it's yuri!" and not every single person in the community.

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

You're wrong. Even IF you were right, that's ad hominem. Please stop.

But remember, you and everyone else, that all I'm saying is that "Character A is being depicted doing things that were never implied in the original and those things are of a morally questionable nature"

This has nothing to do with slut shaming, it's about portraying a character and a series as something that they aren't. It's also about quality standards (dynasty's).
Don't bring morality to this discussion please.

Yeah...def not trolling...

Again, please stop trying to make this about slut shaming. I never stated my position regarding it and it's not even the core of my argument. You can't deny that it is morally questionable (and by this I mean to some people, not necessarily me or you) and completely unrelated to the character in question.

Also stop baselessly accusing me of trolling, if you can't counterargue properly at least don't shitpost.

joined Sep 11, 2014

When not on this site, I specifically look for all my futanari content to HAVE to have the yuri tag, so i get either a futanari (which from my experience, have all identified as female) and a female, or two futanari. Otherwise I might get futanari and male, which, as a lesbian, is not really my cup of tea. So I think it makes sense to tag yuri along with futanari so we know when it contains relations between female identifying people versus het futa. People that don't like transgender or futanari can just be like, "oh a yuri, but it has a tag I don't like so I guess I won't read it." It's not that difficult

Ewe
joined Jan 22, 2017

Uhh...anyway, I liked it. Faceless office lady was nice. The First time isn't always as colorful and special as you might have expected it. And she even seems to be looking forward to another meeting, so it might develop into something.

I don't care if characters are futa or trans or "the usual". I just saw two women beeing together. Not sure why people always have to make a big deal about body parts or skin color.

Smug%20ass%20fuckgin%20zura
joined Dec 5, 2015

Love Live Sunshine Girls: Even gayer and angstier than the last batch.

Sin%20t%c3%adtulo-min
joined Sep 28, 2011

Homosexual and Heterosexual people aren't inherently good/bad because of their sexual orientation.

Weeeeeell, I don't think so, really. I'm not going to explain my views, because it's useless flood, but I don't have any double standarts. Or you just don't understand the meaning of this expression.

"I judge people based solely on their sexual orientation."
"I can judge situations fairly without looking at each part's sexual orientation."

This is very hard to believe, but I'll believe it anyway because there is no point in denying it. When I mention double standards, I obviously mean the people that think "...B-But it's fine if it's yuri!" and not every single person in the community.

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

You're wrong. Even IF you were right, that's ad hominem. Please stop.

But remember, you and everyone else, that all I'm saying is that "Character A is being depicted doing things that were never implied in the original and those things are of a morally questionable nature"

This has nothing to do with slut shaming, it's about portraying a character and a series as something that they aren't. It's also about quality standards (dynasty's).
Don't bring morality to this discussion please.

Yeah...def not trolling...

Again, please stop trying to make this about slut shaming. I never stated my position regarding it and it's not even the core of my argument. You can't deny that it is morally questionable (and by this I mean to some people, not necessarily me or you) and completely unrelated to the character in question.

Also stop baselessly accusing me of trolling, if you can't counterargue properly at least don't shitpost.

Look, the thing is you are going on a rant about how this work in particular portrays You doing things that she wouldn't do in the somewhat accepted Canon of Love Live Sunshine, and that, because of that, it's disgusting and offensive and whatnot.

See, that's the beauty of fanwork: it doesn't have to BE whatever the source material wanted it to be. You are supposed to judge fanwork for it's own merits, not because of how accurate it is to it's source material.

What I'm saying here is that you have this attitude of "this is bad and you should FEEL bad" about the way You is portrayed on this comic, and you are entitled to your opinion, of course. But it's only that: your opinion. Don't pretend to go on a crusade to tell Dynasty forums what is and what is not appropriate to post, just based on your opinions. No, wait, I'm sorry. Your "facts"

Ava
joined Jul 16, 2013

"Hetero work A" and "Yuri work B "having the exact same content aside from character's genders. "Work A" is seen as bad/unacceptable while "work B" is seen as good/acceptable SOLELY based on one being hetero and the other being yuri.

Well of course. Fans of yuri work will usually rate stories with yuri content higher then the ones without.

A2bcf11834a1918b3f09b4219b2a099f_r
joined Aug 16, 2014

Aka I'm imagining your favorite story on here as love between trans women, the horror.

You just wrote the best post in this thread, love.

Sin%20t%c3%adtulo-min
joined Sep 28, 2011

Aka I'm imagining your favorite story on here as love between trans women, the horror.

You just wrote the best post in this thread, love.

Hats off to you, person

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