Isn't peeking at someone's phone without consent pretty rude? I don't really have anything worth hiding on mine but I would get real upset if someone did that.

Logged in b/c this post slightly annoyed me. I dislike when people talk about love in such a narrow minded way ( "I don't think she's a straight girl who did a total 180, I think she was just never introduced to the possibility." ). Sexuality has been programmed into children from a young age and the labels used for them are straight (het), gay (homo) and bi....which is a load of bull society constructed. Love cannot be categorized into such labels; attraction is not dependent on gender... even if you disagree with me you are just wrong. Just like certain colors are gender associated or how girls are taught to play with dolls and guys with action figures...It's all taught by society, but true love cannot be taught by society, society's views only serve as a filter to limit your selection pool.

Well
People view love differently and can choose not to categorise love, but it doesn't mean that those who do are wrong to do so.
You are the one to define yourself after all, and choose to define, to label or not to label yourself, the way you are. It's uh, harder to define others from your definitions tho.
If you find love to be universal, that anyone, specifically you i suppose, if you're speaking from experience, that you have the possibility to love another regardless of whatever categorisation, sure why not.
But for real you can't speak for others.
For instance, me.
No offence but you can't tell me that I can be attracted to anyone, that is just rather inaccurate lol, which I can tell you from personal experience. For real, if I was able to feel attraction towards guys, I would have probably went with that simply because it's easier to just tell people you're "straight".

Right now, perhaps even while avoiding giving it a "label", you are still "labeling" love. Which is fine, for yourself, but to force that opinion, one that basically affects everyone, down everyone else's throat, well, that isn't exactly the least "narrow minded" view either.

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attraction is not dependent on gender

Pretty sure it is.

that photo álbum
she knew about her father
loves music too

Calling it now: she's her bastard half-sister. That's why her parents got divorced.

Why does she have the album of her or why does she even have a pic of her in highschool? I'm really curious.

Why does she have the album of her or why does she even have a pic of her in highschool? I'm really curious.

thank goodness they updated so fast ...... truly love the art and the story :3 (still pls pls pls no sad ending T-T )

that photo álbum
she knew about her father
loves music too

Calling it now: she's her bastard half-sister. That's why her parents got divorced.

Wouldn't this mean, like, incest? Knowingly perpetuated on Asami's part to boot? I mean, that'll make her kind of bonkers IMO. Also, shit got melo damn fast if that's the case lol.

that photo álbum
she knew about her father
loves music too

Calling it now: she's her bastard half-sister. That's why her parents got divorced.

Wouldn't this mean, like, incest? Knowingly perpetuated on Asami's part to boot? I mean, that'll make her kind of bonkers IMO. Also, shit got melo damn fast if that's the case lol.

Isn't Maya older than Minato? Makes it a bit more unlikely, but not impossible.

I think it's much more likely that after the divorce Minato's father got with Maya's mother and Maya is not related by blood to Minato at all.

IF they're even related. I'm going to go with "I hope not".

Furthermore, the Album has Minato photos in high school. Seems more likely it was "stolen" recently.

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Im really liking this story, took my time and re-read whats been posted so far, thanks for translating, cant wait to see the next ch....

(in reference to the "tn" I agree the "un-likeable" characters just shows the developments more as the story progresses ^_^ )

Question** = when she says "playgirl" what was the original japanese, and is there a rougher translation of whatever slang was used? (Im curious(I kinda felt like it didnt fit just right(but thats just my interpretation)) thank you ^_^ )

Don't get me wrong, I find it more engaging that I don't feel like I can trust any of the characters (^-^)

The original Japanese is 遊び人っぽい which literally means: "someone who plays around-ish", but given a sexual connotation the "playing around" means "fooling around with people".

...could've worded it better, but then again, I think that of every line I've ever translated. It's not wrong though...

Riiiiight, because you're the lord of truth, what you say is absolute and everyone else is wrong, because it's not like there's people out there who will simply never feel attracted to a gender, don't forget what Chikara is saying everyone, we're all pansexual and can feel attracted to any person and fall in love with anyone, it's society that makes us forget that!

Seriously, it's funny how you complaing about a post making you annoyed and then makes an annoying post yourself, love can't be categorized? Kind of wrong, because love is already categorized, the love you feel for your family is not the same you feel for your lover for example, attraction is completely dependent on gender, attraction and sexuality are not the same as love, it's true that you can love someone of the gender you don't feel attracted to, but that is extremely rare and not enough to make a relationship work, sexuality is a fact and there's more than just straight, gay and bi, it's not just society who categorize things, people chose how to categorize themselves using what society and decades of studies gives to us, we're the only ones limiting ourselves, there's no such thing as "true love" or "soulmates", this is real life not a Disney movie, that kind of thing that is bullshit, love is finite, love is something that need to be nurtured, maintained, that you and your partner need to put effort and work to make it strong and last, I won't really say more on this, maybe I'm wrong in part of what I said, I won't deny that, but at least I don't show up arrogantly calling out someone as if my view of the world is the only one that is right, in case you decide to reply to me I hope someone else will discuss the subject with you Chikara , I know that I won't, the fact that you said "even if you disagree with me you are just wrong" shows that you're not here to have a rational discussion at all.

Derpalot_, from what manga is your avatar from?

I have no interest in conversing really, but i'm going to reply to just you. See, I did not find that other comment annoying and then complain about it, it just simply made me a LITTLE annoyed, kinda like my sister does when she sings besides me. I shared my opinion and really did not want a rational discussion like you said b/c I have talked about this with others before and I don't care what they have to say.
Here's the thing, you see "straight" people like to use this term called no homo whenever they are superficially attracted to the same sex. So like, how can "straight" people refute they are strictly attracted to one sex when they were clearly just attracted to the same sex when they stated no homo. You see whether you are "straight" or "gay" and find someone attractive regardless of sex, then that means you are attracted to them. And that's were I would bring in the balance. You see b/w straight and gay I believe nobody is perfectly balanced, they may be more, or well over more attracted to one sex but they still lie somewhere in the middle of those two labels.
Like the concept of perfect, I just don't think you can perfectly be gay or straight, but you can be in denial with me, even if I said you are still wrong on my other post, ill give you entitlement to your opinion...should have just never said that line lol.

The problem with your argument is that you're assuming everyone is inherently bisexual to a certain extent, the problem is that sexuality doesn't work like that, like you said things aren't perfect, nothing in humans are, except for maybe a few traits that can be argued that all humans have the rest all depends on the person, I do believe that a lot of people are bisexual to a certain extent even if just a little bit but grow up straight and don't even imagine they can be attracted to the other gender, sure sexuality sometimes is fluid and can change with the years, but in most people even if that happens it tends to be small changes, as for being attracted to the gender that is not your preference, even if that happens it's not always that they feel attracted to that gender too, but that a lot of times they feel attracted to a person that happens to be of that gender, it's not the same thing, but for a lot of people they are indeed 100% straight or gay, there is some traits that we're born with and will never change, like how some people will never like some food for example, there's various examples of that, some people will simple never like some things because they're born that way, it's not just a choice.

Now, I do agree that some people do feel attracted to the other gender but deny that and decide to call themselves 100% straight or gay, the problem is that, you can be emotionally attracted, sexually attracted, or just aroused, they're not the same, there's even some research about that, like one that they show sexual pictures of man to other mans and they feel excited, but they also show other pictures that are sexual in some way but doesn't have humans and they also feel excited, just because someone of the opposite or same sex can make the person aroused that doesn't mean they're bisexual, wanting or not the body reacts to this kind of stimulus, so yeah, that no homo can really be true and a lot of times that they use that it is when they're teenagers, when people are their most confused about pretty much everything, hormones can screw up your mind and make you feel attracted to anything, so in the end you can still be completely straight or gay.

I don't completely disagree with you because depending on the person sexuality can be either simple or complex, especially if we take in account how falling in love and feeling sexually attracted are not the same, there's a lot more labels that can be used, like heteroromantic bisexual for example, even if they chose to deny or ignore part of their sexuality, which are not the same thing, you can't really judge that as bad, everyone is free to be any way they want, I would say your biggest problem is assuming that you're completely right, not even scientists can be said to be completely right, like, who has the right to say with 100% certainty that billions of humans are one way or the other? Really, by acting like you're completely right and anyone else is wrong all you're going to do is get on the bad side of a lot of people, if scientists who study those kind of things for decades can't be seen as completly sure who are us who pretty much don't know shit to decide how things are for everyone else?

Abd yeah, you shouldn't have used that phrase or anything like that, if it was other site I guess more people would have reacted bad to it, Dynasty is pretty civil so you probably should have been worse to get a reaction from more people, though I admit that even if that phrase rubbed me the wrong way it was still not right of me to mock you like that, sorry. (T^T)/

Reading the comments ...... Reaction : Wow

Asami is Minato-dad's "new" wife's biological daughter, they are stepsisters. That's my bet so far. Don't think they would set us up for a incest relationship after they slept together.

The problem with your argument is that you're assuming everyone is inherently bisexual to a certain extent, the problem is that sexuality doesn't work like that, like you said things aren't perfect, nothing in humans are, except for maybe a few traits that can be argued that all humans have the rest all depends on the person, I do believe that a lot of people are bisexual to a certain extent even if just a little bit but grow up straight and don't even imagine they can be attracted to the other gender, sure sexuality sometimes is fluid and can change with the years, but in most people even if that happens it tends to be small changes, as for being attracted to the gender that is not your preference, even if that happens it's not always that they feel attracted to that gender too, but that a lot of times they feel attracted to a person that happens to be of that gender, it's not the same thing, but for a lot of people they are indeed 100% straight or gay, there is some traits that we're born with and will never change, like how some people will never like some food for example, there's various examples of that, some people will simple never like some things because they're born that way, it's not just a choice.

Now, I do agree that some people do feel attracted to the other gender but deny that and decide to call themselves 100% straight or gay, the problem is that, you can be emotionally attracted, sexually attracted, or just aroused, they're not the same, there's even some research about that, like one that they show sexual pictures of man to other mans and they feel excited, but they also show other pictures that are sexual in some way but doesn't have humans and they also feel excited, just because someone of the opposite or same sex can make the person aroused that doesn't mean they're bisexual, wanting or not the body reacts to this kind of stimulus, so yeah, that no homo can really be true and a lot of times that they use that it is when they're teenagers, when people are their most confused about pretty much everything, hormones can screw up your mind and make you feel attracted to anything, so in the end you can still be completely straight or gay.

I don't completely disagree with you because depending on the person sexuality can be either simple or complex, especially if we take in account how falling in love and feeling sexually attracted are not the same, there's a lot more labels that can be used, like heteroromantic bisexual for example, even if they chose to deny or ignore part of their sexuality, which are not the same thing, you can't really judge that as bad, everyone is free to be any way they want, I would say your biggest problem is assuming that you're completely right, not even scientists can be said to be completely right, like, who has the right to say with 100% certainty that billions of humans are one way or the other? Really, by acting like you're completely right and anyone else is wrong all you're going to do is get on the bad side of a lot of people, if scientists who study those kind of things for decades can't be seen as completly sure who are us who pretty much don't know shit to decide how things are for everyone else?

Abd yeah, you shouldn't have used that phrase or anything like that, if it was other site I guess more people would have reacted bad to it, Dynasty is pretty civil so you probably should have been worse to get a reaction from more people, though I admit that even if that phrase rubbed me the wrong way it was still not right of me to mock you like that, sorry. (T^T)/

I kinda surprise myself sometimes. Even if there has not been a new chapter update I actually sought out this thread today to see if you had replied even though I'm not much of a conversationalist and told myself I do not want to endlessly exchange covos with someone. Okay so after reading all that I just want to argue on point: "....but for a lot of people they are indeed 100% straight or gay, there is some traits that we're born with and will never change".

I'm not claiming to be an expert on this but personality is not a trait you are born with. It is something that is developed over the course of time and is greatly affected by the values of the society, Hence girls turn out to be a certain way and boys turn out another way...they are just exposed to different to external stimuli. For example let's say "normal" girls like dolls and "normal" boys like action figures (normal would be our equivalent to straight...the reverse would be our equivalent to gay). I assume you can agree this preference in toys is due to their upbringing right? Well in that same manner some boys and girls might enjoy both (our equivalent to bi). So why do some boys decide to not like dolls or the reverse? Let's disregard toys and dolls offer different entertainment value and think about what little boys say about colors like pink. The same with girls, it's because they are given a narrow perspective of right and wrong to work with.

So again i'm not claiming it as fact but my personal belief that based on external stimuli throughout life people make a choice on sexual orientation. And once a choice has been so strongly accepted by themselves it is very hard to get them to look the other way. So yeah since sexual orientation falls in the dominion of personality, it's a characteristic, meaning it is learned not inherited. Also I wouldn't mind continuing our friendly exchange haha.

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Chikara
I do agree that personality is not a trait we're born with, but the inherent traits we're born with do affect our personalities and sexualitty is definitely one of them, there is definitely a lot of people who are 100% born straight or gay, what happens when a person "choose" or "change" their sexuality is that they're probably bisexual, pansexual or any other like those that can feel attracted to both genders and any gender identity, I said gender identity because in practice there's more than just man and woman as gender, but that's not the point now, the problem is that a lot of people "choose" to either see themselves as straight or gay even if they feel some attraction to the same or opposite sex, we don't know for sure what defines the sexuality we're born with, if it's just genetics or if there's something else beyond simple biology, but what is definitely without a doubt proven is that sexuality is not a personality trait and can't be changed, we just have the illusion that people change their sexualities, but in practice they either discover that they're not just straight or gay or that they finally accepted a part of them that they denied.

Now, why I say it's 100% proven that sexuality can't be changed? Well, I'll use one argument since it's pretty much the best and the only one necessary, it's kind of proven that personalities, habits, anything that is learned can be changed in various ways with time and the right method, one way is conditioning for example, but go search about changing people sexuality, every and all attempts to change someone sexuality not only never worked but they all cause harm to the person, all scientific community and any decent scientist, psychologist or someone of that area or just someone who study sexuality for some reason will agree that it can't be changed and deny any kind of treatment because all they do is make the patient situation worse, another important fact, virtually everyone, if not everyone who want to change their sexuality, they don't want to change because they want to be straight per se, but because they're from highly conservative and or religious familiy and they learned that being gay is completely wrong and a sin, go search anyone or any place that says that they can make you straight, they're all religious and nowadays almost all of them closed and admitted that you just can't change a person sexuality and some even gave public apologies because all they did was cause more suffering.

Chikara posted:

I have no interest in conversing really, but i'm going to reply to just you. (...) I shared my opinion and really did not want a rational discussion like you said b/c I have talked about this with others before and I don't care what they have to say.

What you are doing posting on the forum then? It isn't your blog where you can post your thoughts without care. It is place made for discussion so you have to be prepared that if you are posting controversial opinion, people will call you on that.

Your perception is really limited and despite saying that we are limiting themselves, you found one explanation that you liked and decided to forcefully fit everything else into it. It is really ironic how narrow minded you are while talking about people being narrow minded. I'd reply to your arguments but 1. I have no time right now. 2. You don't care about others opinions anyway so I won't bother.

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Chikara,
I don't think your original or follow-up points are particularly wrong, though the delivery has been pretty horrid. Going out of your way to counter someone's point while dismissing any further opinions as flat out "wrong" is as narrow as the view points you find annoying. The insistence on mentioning how shocked you are every time you post again is tedious.

That said, you made a bit of a misstep saying that sexuality is learned; I think you meant sexual identity is (partly) learned. There is some inherent and biological basis for sexuality. However, how we perceive our own sexuality (i.e. sexual identity) and how we talk about it, are socially constructed. The fact that we (society, humanity) stick a label on everything so that we can make sense of it, instead of letting people just go about their lives, figuring out who they love and lust and care for, can be a very frustrating norm to those who don't want to be confined to the expectations that come with those labels.

Also, to be clear, your point about toy preferences for girls and boys is an example of gender as a social construct (which it is), not sexuality or sexual identity. Sexuality refers to our sexual preference for others, gender is the outward manifestation of our personalities.

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Gotta agree with Nevri on this one. If you don't want responses, then posting on a discussion forum may not be your medium. Try blogging instead.

As to gay/straight/bi/etc., the prevailing theory to the best of my knowledge is it's a combination of factors, including genetics, in vitro conditions such as birth order, environmental factors and other influences. "Born that way" isn't really inaccurate, but doesn't tell the whole story.

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Saw "my ignorance of a world yet unknown" thread updated.
Came here to see what people commented

... Still this discussion 'bout whether or not you're born straight or gay .-.

I don't say it's not interesting but since this debate is quite active, why don't we create a thread to discuss about this subject ?

That said, from my point of view, I think someone's sexualty is something too vague to be labelled with gay or straight ... Since it's very different from one person to another. Some will never be attracted by their own gender, some won't be aware of it ... We don't know how it works inside human's head yet ^.^

even if you disagree with me you are just wrong
I have talked about this with others before and I don't care what they have to say.

Literally stated that they give no shits about other people's thoughts whatsoever on the matter and just came in here to state their godly truth. As annoying as it is, I don't see how replying to them would bring you anywhere.

... Still this discussion 'bout whether or not you're born straight or gay .-.

I don't say it's not interesting but since this debate is quite active, why don't we create a thread to discuss about this subject ?

It would be interesting tbh, but not with Chikara in it, it obviously would lead to nowhere. They seem to have experience muting other people's voices and just blindly stating their own.

Chikara
I do agree that personality is not a trait we're born with, but the inherent traits we're born with do affect our personalities and sexualitty is definitely one of them, there is definitely a lot of people who are 100% born straight or gay, what happens when a person "choose" or "change" their sexuality is that they're probably bisexual, pansexual or any other like those that can feel attracted to both genders and any gender identity, I said gender identity because in practice there's more than just man and woman as gender, but that's not the point now, the problem is that a lot of people "choose" to either see themselves as straight or gay even if they feel some attraction to the same or opposite sex, we don't know for sure what defines the sexuality we're born with, if it's just genetics or if there's something else beyond simple biology, but what is definitely without a doubt proven is that sexuality is not a personality trait and can't be changed, we just have the illusion that people change their sexualities, but in practice they either discover that they're not just straight or gay or that they finally accepted a part of them that they denied.

Now, why I say it's 100% proven that sexuality can't be changed? Well, I'll use one argument since it's pretty much the best and the only one necessary, it's kind of proven that personalities, habits, anything that is learned can be changed in various ways with time and the right method, one way is conditioning for example, but go search about changing people sexuality, every and all attempts to change someone sexuality not only never worked but they all cause harm to the person, all scientific community and any decent scientist, psychologist or someone of that area or just someone who study sexuality for some reason will agree that it can't be changed and deny any kind of treatment because all they do is make the patient situation worse, another important fact, virtually everyone, if not everyone who want to change their sexuality, they don't want to change because they want to be straight per se, but because they're from highly conservative and or religious familiy and they learned that being gay is completely wrong and a sin, go search anyone or any place that says that they can make you straight, they're all religious and nowadays almost all of them closed and admitted that you just can't change a person sexuality and some even gave public apologies because all they did was cause more suffering.

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I love how the others are just bashing me on my rudeness before and my annoyance with conversing remarks (but that's why I'm only talking with one person and not replying to everyone), but I really do apologize for the "muting" like someone mentioned. Like I said I honestly had no intentions of ever replying to any comment so I stated my opinion and left it on that edge note..and again i'm really sorry, i'll make sure to fix that comment once I go get a time traveling car ^^
Also I am open to other opinions really...and I know I really made it seem like I'm a self entitled brat who's got all the right answers. It's just that the last time I posted anything I got quite some negative remarks (I had posted links to some stolen scalations...which I had no idea were stolen...anyways I deleted or edited the sensitive posts..anyways that moderator nez might remember censoring my links...yeah I tried multiple times because I did not know links were not permitted) so after some people and namely the scanlator of that series gave me some negative remarks I haven't talked with anyone in awhile on forums....not like I ever really did to start with but I think that made me not want to listen to what others had to say about my opinion.
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Anyways here is my opinion about about the sexuality changing thing. When someone is attracted to a particular sex, it is not possible to make them feel un-attracted to that sex. So making a "gay" person "straight" or vice versa is just not possible just as you said. But that does not argue the fluidity of sexual orientation. People like to self identify themselves as a sexual orientation and therefore chose a sex to stick with. By doing so they never really open up their perspectives to the other possibility. I am not referencing any studies because I have not read any and do not feel a need to but might look into them now that you brought it up. But instead of changing sexual orientation what should be considered is introducing the other option while not dismissing their present conviction.

EDIT: Today I was listening to a video about someone talking about this exact subject and I think her analogy was quite on the mark - she compared being gay and straight to to right and left handedness. And the reason most people turn out right handed is because our life predisposes us to right handed utilities among other things. Again to tie in with what I said above, people can choose to work with and improve their utility with their less dominate hand but their dominant hand can always still be the hand they choose to use.

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Chikara
That left hand analogy is bullshit, because sexuality doen't work like that, I think your problem is that you're mixing sexuality with sexual identity, we can learn different sexual identities, it can change, we can choose it, but that is impossible with sexuality, why I'm so sure of that? One reason, because countless of gays in the past and some still today, tried or try with all their strength to have relationship with the opposite sex, feel attracted to them, some are even able to have one that can last decades and even have children, but all end up one day admiting that it was all a lie and they lived in denial, you can't learn to feel attracted to the other gender, you either is already born with that possibility and discovers it later, or you're never going to feel attracted to the other gender, if you still want to believe it is possible to learn to feel attracted to the other gender, well, that's your choice then, but don't come preaching about how we're limiting ourselves, cause everything points to the fact that what you believe is wrong, and that no, we can't "learn" to feel attracted to the other gender and that sexuality don't change, at best we just discover we also feel attracted to the other gender.

Also, by your logic asexuals don't exist and they're just someone who need to "learn" to feel attracted to others, which is obviously not true either.

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I feel bad for Haruto, but I hope the author doesn't decide to set him up as some kind of antagonist like I've seen so often in the past.

Roast this jerk! He better rethink his whole shit and start being nice.