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What's that bottle ?!?!

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Eri
joined Aug 30, 2020

I'm not too worried about the bottle. Maybe she just happens to have makeup from an edgier company

Teru%20frown
joined Jul 9, 2020

Kurada is either about to become (second) best girl or absolute worst. (My bet is on goth gal makeover. Which may not stick long term, but could be a fun one-off.)

I suspect "[character] is about to become (another) best girl" is going to be uttered a lot over future chapters.

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Thomasina Pontier
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joined Mar 18, 2023

I was always taught that Man X Man = yaoi, Man x Woman = het, Man x Transwoman = het. Also GIrly is as far as I concern, straight. So in regardless of what Kitano's position is, including non-binary, there is no yuri. The only way this can be a Yuri is both Kitano and GIrly are transwomen. GNC has nothing to do with orientation. This mamga looks more like a drag show than a yuri.

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joined Jan 30, 2017

I wish yelling SHIELD when you're overwhelmed actually worked in real life.

Well, to me, Kitano is trans, there's not much debate to have.

I'm fine with anything as long as Kitano is well fed and happy.

This mamga looks more like a drag show than a yuri.

Everyone looks pretty feminine. The whole point of the story is you can't tell who the impostor girl is. And it was never tagged as yuri.

SmallFriendlyScorpion
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joined Apr 25, 2020

epic chapter, epic girly
(also girl(y) help: I can't stop seeing Kitano with hair down as a certain video game character, even with the shadowed face and all)

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Firefox_02_23_23_58-070
joined Oct 17, 2025

Is it yaoi? Is it het? Is it t4t Yuri? Its probably too early to tell, but a part of me thinks it could have aspects of all of them depending on where the story goes. I think this could end up being really cute.

The real answer is it's anything you want it to be. A reading of Kitano as trans isn't "incorrect" just like a reading of Kitano as not-trans isn't "incorrect". We're not anthropologists here, we're just humans trying to relate to a story, and that can manifest in any way. Retire the need to be "correct" or "canon", as long as you're taking the story seriously, interpret it however you want. :P

Cornonthekopp
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The confusion is mostly due to the fact that in manga, the authors rarely address the topic of transness, unless it's a work dedicated to the topic.

Kitano, on our side, can only be interpreted as trans. On the Japanese side, the topic is irrelevant. It's about boys crossdressing, being cute and maybe falling in love with boys(?). It's like Prunus girl. Whether the character is trans or not isn't the point. It's a romance between a boy and another gender-ambiguous character.

Well, to me, Kitano is trans, there's not much debate to have.

I think a lot of people also have a very shallow view of what being transgender actually is. Unless the character looks at the audience and says "i am transgender" there will always be people who deny it.

It's a weird double standard because as yuri fans we already know what it's like to have people dismiss a character or relationship that isn't "explicitly" gay, when if that same couple was straight there would be zero ambiguity about their relationship status.

Many of the same people who would roll their eyes if you said that the main couple in CPK or lycorico are "just friends" will turn around and argue that any gender ambiguous character is "just crossdressing" without realizing that they're doing the same thing in a different jacket.

Bambinessa
joined Aug 2, 2023

The confusion is mostly due to the fact that in manga, the authors rarely address the topic of transness, unless it's a work dedicated to the topic.

Kitano, on our side, can only be interpreted as trans. On the Japanese side, the topic is irrelevant. It's about boys crossdressing, being cute and maybe falling in love with boys(?). It's like Prunus girl. Whether the character is trans or not isn't the point. It's a romance between a boy and another gender-ambiguous character.

Well, to me, Kitano is trans, there's not much debate to have.

I think a lot of people also have a very shallow view of what being transgender actually is. Unless the character looks at the audience and says "i am transgender" there will always be people who deny it.

It's a weird double standard because as yuri fans we already know what it's like to have people dismiss a character or relationship that isn't "explicitly" gay, when if that same couple was straight there would be zero ambiguity about their relationship status.

Many of the same people who would roll their eyes if you said that the main couple in CPK or lycorico are "just friends" will turn around and argue that any gender ambiguous character is "just crossdressing" without realizing that they're doing the same thing in a different jacket.

Or perhaps some people simply want to reserve judgement because shoehorning people based on superficial traits is exactly what you're not supposed to do? Like, you're not going around labeling all butch/femme couples as clearly het because why would anybody have (tom)boyish interests without being a man?

We're 2 chapters in; it's simply to early to tell anybodys gender identity (heck, likely not even Kitano knows). Why get scared of crypto-transphobic strawmen? Voicing an assumption is one thing, slamming your foot down and decrying it as indisputable (this is about Nya-chan, not you, Cornonthekopp) is ... needlessly argumentative towards people with reasonable GNC readings?

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joined Mar 10, 2023

The confusion is mostly due to the fact that in manga, the authors rarely address the topic of transness, unless it's a work dedicated to the topic.

Kitano, on our side, can only be interpreted as trans. On the Japanese side, the topic is irrelevant. It's about boys crossdressing, being cute and maybe falling in love with boys(?). It's like Prunus girl. Whether the character is trans or not isn't the point. It's a romance between a boy and another gender-ambiguous character.

Well, to me, Kitano is trans, there's not much debate to have.

I think a lot of people also have a very shallow view of what being transgender actually is. Unless the character looks at the audience and says "i am transgender" there will always be people who deny it.

It's a weird double standard because as yuri fans we already know what it's like to have people dismiss a character or relationship that isn't "explicitly" gay, when if that same couple was straight there would be zero ambiguity about their relationship status.

Many of the same people who would roll their eyes if you said that the main couple in CPK or lycorico are "just friends" will turn around and argue that any gender ambiguous character is "just crossdressing" without realizing that they're doing the same thing in a different jacket.

I came here to argue a point, but I can simply quote when it was already well said.

Well said!

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This mamga looks more like a drag show than a yuri.

Everyone looks pretty feminine.

You could even say everyone's Girly.

Nyarin
joined Mar 20, 2012

It really irks me when people insist that any AMAB character that presents feminine can only be a trans girl as if forgetting nonbinary or other as such are a thing. Unless the character is explicitly a girl (like Bridget, for example) it's not unreasonable to interpert them differently. I've seen so many posts of "if you think Y character is anything but X you're evil!!"

Is Kitano trans? Nonbinary? A femboy? We simply don't know yet.

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Will follow this serie with great care 0w0
Girly is really a great dude, he does mistakes but try is best to repair them and be a good person

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joined Mar 10, 2023

It really irks me when people insist that any AMAB character that presents feminine can only be a trans girl as if forgetting nonbinary or other as such are a thing. Unless the character is explicitly a girl (like Bridget, for example) it's not unreasonable to interpert them differently. I've seen so many posts of "if you think Y character is anything but X you're evil!!"

Is Kitano trans? Nonbinary? A femboy? We simply don't know yet.

Did someone prescribe transness in this thread?

I agree with the principle of your post, but I haven't seen the prescriptive trans reader in here. Glancing back through the last three pages, I saw a few hopefuls, who were likely relating their own experiences to the character's story, but I didn't see anyone calling someone "evil" for anything.

A couple people were like, "Did you forget GNC men?" but the question is a little silly. If you're trans and participate in fandom spaces, you can't forget them. Someone will remind you like clockwork, essentially every time you publicly relate your own experiences to a GNC character of any stripe.

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Nyarin
joined Mar 20, 2012

I agree with the principle of your post, but I haven't seen the prescriptive trans reader in here. Glancing back through the last three pages, I saw a few hopefuls, who were likely relating their own experiences to the character's story, but I didn't see anyone calling someone "evil" for anything.

Not in this thread, I meant in social media in general.

last edited at Jun 2, 2026 1:18AM

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Hello, just a quick update on the tags for this.

After consulting various staff, readers and the scanlator;
These two tags were dropped: Het, Yaoi
These two tags were added: Transgender, Queer

The intention behind these is that the denotation of Het and Yaoi were not great fits and the likelyhood of this story throwing more curveballs is highly likely. That is why we have added Queer (intended to be joined with Romance eg Queer Romance) as a way to say yes there is something here but trying to pin labels on it is kind of missing the point.

As for Transgender, Cornonthekopp's post earlier did pretty much nail it. Requiring something to be explicitly said is missing the forest for the trees. Also it's a shounen manga in the end, it's not here to dive that deeply in the explicit.

In the end, the point of all this is that we want to avoid changing major tags on things that frequently. Sometimes something a little more broad is more accurate.

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Firefox_02_23_23_58-070
joined Oct 17, 2025

Not in this thread, I meant in social media in general.

Even to that regard, I only see people bring up GNC people in discourse around transfem headcanons as a point against transfem headcanons rather than vice versa. People who don't have a lot of trans woman in their friend circle have a lot of unchecked transmisogyny and it often comes out in these discourses.

An example of a real statement I've seen in the last few weeks that got thousands of likes/RTs, where the only pushback against it was other transfems: "it is more progressive for a character to be cis man who crossdresses than for them to be a trans woman, because what's progressive about women wearing dresses?" I wish I could say I had my jaw drop when reading this, but this is unironically what many people in these spaces think. If you find yourself in a space where this is the opposite, congrats, you have found yourself in a space full of trans women and their allies.

These two tags were added: Transgender, Queer

Pretty succinct I'd say!

Nyarin
joined Mar 20, 2012

Not in this thread, I meant in social media in general.

Even to that regard, I only see people bring up GNC people in discourse around transfem headcanons as a point against transfem headcanons rather than vice versa. People who don't have a lot of trans woman in their friend circle have a lot of unchecked transmisogyny and it often comes out in these discourses.

An example of a real statement I've seen in the last few weeks that got thousands of likes/RTs, where the only pushback against it was other transfems: "it is more progressive for a character to be cis man who crossdresses than for them to be a trans woman, because what's progressive about women wearing dresses?" I wish I could say I had my jaw drop when reading this, but this is unironically what many people in these spaces think. If you find yourself in a space where this is the opposite, congrats, you have found yourself in a space full of trans women and their allies.

I know plenty of transbians, I'm in the himejoshi circles after all. I'm talking about people who insist a character can only be a binary trans girl and call you a transphobe if you think they could be nonbinary or agender.

I hope it doesn't come across as me trying to be argumentative or something like that. It just bothers me.

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Eri
joined Aug 30, 2020

Well, it really bothers me when people are so demanding for evidence a character is trans, as if they want the character to, as someone has already put it, turn to the camera and say "oh, I'm trans."

It also really pisses me off when people try to use "but they could be non-binary or agender or gnc" but only when someone insists a character is trans (and spoiler alert: I consider the first two trans anyways, they aren't cis after all so they're trans. You can escape the gender binary of male and female but cis and trans is a different categorical binary altogether).

But for fuck's sake, if you wanna say "I think they're non-binary!" Or any of the other arguments used, you can do it without trying to shut down people who think they could be trans

Teru%20frown
joined Jul 9, 2020

But for fuck's sake, if you wanna say "I think they're non-binary!" Or any of the other arguments used, you can do it without trying to shut down people who think they could be trans

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Nyarin
joined Mar 20, 2012

I'm not shutting people down, I'm literally talking about NOT telling others what to think.

SmallFriendlyScorpion
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joined Apr 25, 2020

I'm not shutting people down, I'm literally talking about NOT telling others what to think.

^true, you weren't. maybe people chose to interpret your words differently because they perceived your intentions as unkind, or something, but I didn't get that vibe.

for what it's worth (could be nothing, for all I know) before chapter 32 (the final chapter) is released the author did reply on their social to some reader gushing over femboys saying:

“ありがとうございます!今後も頑張ります!
また男の娘を描く機会があれば見つけてください…!”

[google translated (feel free to correct any errors)]
“Thank you! I'll keep doing my best!
If I ever have another opportunity to draw a cross-dressing boy, please look for me...“

so it seems like the author’s intent could be that it’s mostly just a manga about crossdressing “femboys”, maybe even people who are secure in their assigned gender at birth but do enjoy crossdressing as a hobby. (I seem to get the vibe that many people don’t believe this can happen IRL and more often than not they’d just be trans women repressing but I digress.) or maybe the author’s just being kind to the reader who did use the word “男の娘” first.

at the end of the day though as a reader you are of course welcome to interpret from the story ANYTHING you’d like, even if it’s completely different from what the author has intended. but allowing each other to have differing interpretations without lashing out, ESPECIALLY when those interpretations did not come from malice, over fictional characters, is probably for the best.

Firefox_02_23_23_58-070
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I know plenty of transbians, I'm in the himejoshi circles after all. I'm talking about people who insist a character can only be a binary trans girl and call you a transphobe if you think they could be nonbinary or agender.

I hope it doesn't come across as me trying to be argumentative or something like that. It just bothers me.

I mean I get it. There's definitely a trend of casual transphobia against nonbinary people, ask how I know lol. I just think on social media the stubbornness for transfem headcanons is a reaction to that transmisogyny. An overcorrection.

It sucks when people don't realize the obvious conclusion, that GNC/nonbinary people's experiences often overlap with the experiences of binary trans people too. It's almost like gender/sex is.... ahhh... what was that.... the wind blew my thoughts away......

Cornonthekopp
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so it seems like the author’s intent could be that it’s mostly just a manga about crossdressing “femboys”, maybe even people who are secure in their assigned gender at birth but do enjoy crossdressing as a hobby. (I seem to get the vibe that many people don’t believe this can happen IRL and more often than not they’d just be trans women repressing but I digress.) or maybe the author’s just being kind to the reader who did use the word “男の娘” first.

I think you might be ascribing too much meaning to the word otokonoko, which while it is accurate to be translated as "femboy", is much more ambiguous. I don't wanna be like "ohh japan is so different, its impossible to translate" but the word otokonoko is absolutely used to refer to people that we would call transfem. (The english word femboy is as well. If you don't believe me go on any "femboy" subreddit and see how many of the images/gifs/videos are trans women).

For example, in the japanese wikipedia article on 男の娘, you can find this graph showcasing the various different definitions and factors for the kinds of people that get called "otokonoko" and there is a significant overlap between "sex is male + gender is female" (jp wikipedia words not mine), which we in the anglosphere would unequivocally call a transgender woman.

Words like femboy and otokonoko are labels which are primarily used to label others, were both born from fetish tags, and have highly contested meanings that more often than not are used by outsiders to categorize many or all types of trans women.

So all that to say, using the word or not is by no means a hard line between discrete identities, especially not in japanese. Hell, I've seen twitter accounts from japanese trans women who are on hrt and have gotten surgeries, and they still refer to themselves as otokonoko. Many anglo trans women will market themselves as femboys for streaming or onlyfans purposes too.

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for what it's worth (could be nothing, for all I know) before chapter 32 (the final chapter) is released the author did reply on their social to some reader gushing over femboys saying:

“ありがとうございます!今後も頑張ります!
また男の娘を描く機会があれば見つけてください…!”

[google translated (feel free to correct any errors)]
“Thank you! I'll keep doing my best!
If I ever have another opportunity to draw a cross-dressing boy, please look for me...“

so it seems like the author’s intent could be that it’s mostly just a manga about crossdressing “femboys”, maybe even people who are secure in their assigned gender at birth but do enjoy crossdressing as a hobby. (I seem to get the vibe that many people don’t believe this can happen IRL and more often than not they’d just be trans women repressing but I digress.) or maybe the author’s just being kind to the reader who did use the word “男の娘” first.

Otokonoko does not simply mean crossdresser and actually can potentially lean more towards a trans reading than like josou danshi or something like that. It's actually a fairly ambiguous word at times that can be used for a myriad of amab gnc expressions. Including just straight up being a woman. Especially among those who don't know the word transgender. Of course I'm not making a positive statement either way. Just saying otokonoko doesn't rule anything out really.

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