I'm not sure how I feel about this chapter. On the one hand, it had some good character interactions and developments and this conversation probably needed to happen at some point. On the other, it's placement feels odd. Wasn't this supposed to be part of some plan to help Claire or convince her not to go down with her father? Because it doesn't feel like it relates to that goal at all and they seem to be operating under enough of a time crunch that dragging Lilly around and arranging all of this just to clear the air seems counterproductive.

I will say I did enjoy jealous Claire when she would randomly blurt out about not taking Rae or her belonging to her but either way Lily overstayed her welcome far too long and now it looks like Lily caught the eye of the creepy cousin who in the novel raped someone that they kind of just played off in the manga that does make me feel bad for Lily.

That's not what Manaria did and not her relationship to her lover. I only clarify now, when I normally let the assumption go, because you mentioned the novels.

Everything I agree with though about Lilly and Rae. This new addition is fine and most of them have been good updates to the novels but I don't enjoy the manga's accusations against Rae here. She was more than clear enough and Lily was actively trying to get in between two people who she claims are her dear friends. The story just dances around the immoral facts of that and it's the one thing I never liked. I do enjoy her overall whenever they allow her to move on from this stuff.

Just a few chapters ago, Lilly called Manaria "the shitty woman who laid her hands on her help" and Manaria basically acknowledged the statement as accurate. While she didn't explicitly say it was rape, there aren't many other ways to interpret the statement and the alternatives aren't much better, so I'm a bit curious about what their relationship was in the books.

Well, I can't say too much but a small thing: you have to think about Manaria's mental state and perception of herself when she talks with Rae about her past. Also remember both Manaria and her maid came out worse. That quote you mention does have many ways to interpret it. I think you'd enjoy the books, if you haven't read them yet. The parts I'm alluding to will almost certainly not be touched by the manga before it ends, given this is the final arc the manga will cover. Though the manga did drop hints that LN readers would recognize earlier in the series: her lover is shown briefly during one of the early chapters. I'd read the novels to learn more about all that stuff. It's interesting.

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I'm sorry but I honestly never liked Lily and she always knew that Rae only liked Claire she never once led her on to make her think that she had any feelings for Lily at all anytime literally try to say she wanted to be her number one or even said she would be her mistress she continued to say she only likes Claire... So her saying she hates her is very delusional to me and I hope she's finally gone from the rest of the story

Thank you I cant stand her like I just read this chapter going "...ok?" cause we already knew it was never going to be returned so whatever

Manaria novels spoilers: While I forget the details, I'm pretty sure we learn that it was not rape. I forget if we learn it later in LN2, or even later (after this whole arc), though.

Rae pushed herself on Claire a lot, but her goal wasn't actually a relationship, the occurrence of which seems to have surprised her, it was to save Claire's life.

I spoiler-protected that because I can't remember if Rae's long-term plan has been made explicit yet in the manga. I think so, but I'm playing safe.

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Rae stilll thinks like she is playing a video game in which in order to achieve her objective, everyone and everything is disposable.

Lily herself recognized in a past chapter that Rae never actually turned her down, just politely brushed her affections off so that Lily could keep being useful to her.

I definitely missed that oops-

But it doesn't take away from my point. Poor girl got strung along so she could be used as a stepping stone

I meant that in support of your point, yeah :3

I spoiler-protected that because I can't remember if Rae's long-term plan has been made explicit yet in the manga. I think so, but I'm playing safe.

I'm pretty sure it was, yeah. Rae can justify everything in the end because her goal isn't "selfish" technically.

I'm a bit curious about what their relationship was in the books.

I'm a novel reader! Mannic has it backwards. Quoting the novel:
"She'd fallen in love with a maid and, despite her best efforts to suppress her feelings, ended up having an affair with the woman."
The implication in the following lines of the novel is that the maid left due to the power imbalance; Manaria being a princess and all. The "rape" thing is an invention of the manga which the anime kept, and an odd one as well considering the maid. comes back in act 2. and is mad at rae for the entire act for stealing manaria's attention.

Rae stilll thinks like she is playing a video game in which in order to achieve her objective, everyone and everything is disposable.

Couldn't have put it better.

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I'm a bit curious about what their relationship was in the books.

I'm a novel reader! Mannic has it backwards. Quoting the novel:
"She'd fallen in love with a maid and, despite her best efforts to suppress her feelings, ended up having an affair with the woman."
The implication in the following lines of the novel is that the maid left due to the power imbalance; Manaria being a princess and all. The "rape" thing is an invention of the manga which the anime kept, and an odd one as well considering the maid. comes back in act 2. and is mad at rae for the entire act for stealing manaria's attention.

Rae stilll thinks like she is playing a video game in which in order to achieve her objective, everyone and everything is disposable.

Couldn't have put it better.

They even show Eve in the manga too! So definitely odd.

Yeah the language the manga and anime use to make it all seem more dangerously ambiguous have been damaging. I'm not sure why they chose to alter things that way, especially now knowing we won't even reach the points where the maid shows up in all her glory (and her comedic hatred for Rae). At least the recent quotes about the situation have been a bit better but still. It's led a lot of discussion around Manaria to be majorly skewed. The reason the manga and anime don't act like Manaria did anything is because she didn't and it wasn't written to imply it, just that something bad happened that she feels responsible for.

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Maybe this is just a side-effect of the series going on for too long, me forgetting stuff and not reading novels/watching anime or whatever... but I don't particularly care about Lily :P It seemed very obvious from the beginning she has no chance, it was always a very weird character and that double personality thing is just one of many stupid twists that this manga likes to pull, and I don't think most of them result in an actually good story.

I think I would prefer if she actually just betrayed her friends out of jealousy straight up, without any multi-personality bullshit. A naturally complex character would be more satisfying than one which literally has a magical excuse for her "dark side", it feels very ham-fisted.

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I will continue to say Claire is being difficult and stupid for no reason whatsoever. Especially because we know at the end she's gonna get freed anyway this all just feels pointless to drag out the end of this series imo.

I will continue to say Claire is being difficult and stupid for no reason whatsoever. Especially because we know at the end she's gonna get freed anyway this all just feels pointless to drag out the end of this series imo.

Her whole character has been about her position as a noble, and what that means. She's always hesitant against those norms, which is a large part of her disagreement with Rae's response to the Prince's marriage proposal. Her father is now also being executed. It doesn't seem at all of of character to decide it's her duty to fall on the sword with her family. She's always been extremely stubborn and extremely principled. It's not for show. She's a true believer.

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I will continue to say Claire is being difficult and stupid for no reason whatsoever. Especially because we know at the end she's gonna get freed anyway this all just feels pointless to drag out the end of this series imo.

It's not for no reason. She's stubbornly sticking to her morals. In her mind, she lived by the sword and in turn must die by the sword.

She reaped the benefits of being a noble, therefore she thinks she needs to reap the consequences of being a noble

The point of this is to show her character. It's valuable story wise even tho we know they'll win in the end. That's the whole point of having conflicts is to enhance the plot.

Is the manga ending after this? If I'm remembering correctly there's a few more arcs that were in the LN

The sci-fi arc thing, the two kids, and the wedding haven't happened, I can't remember the order. Pretty sure it's not just "The End" after Claire is freed in the LN... unless my memory is failing me

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It feel like the final chapter of Lady Oscar with a sense of unstoppeable tragedy is coming.
Nah, i know the ending
Beside they don't need to kill nobles, just send to exile without their luxurius

I will continue to say Claire is being difficult and stupid for no reason whatsoever. Especially because we know at the end she's gonna get freed anyway this all just feels pointless to drag out the end of this series imo.

It's not for no reason. She's stubbornly sticking to her morals. In her mind, she lived by the sword and in turn must die by the sword.

She reaped the benefits of being a noble, therefore she thinks she needs to reap the consequences of being a noble

The point of this is to show her character. It's valuable story wise even tho we know they'll win in the end. That's the whole point of having conflicts is to enhance the plot.

Is the manga ending after this? If I'm remembering correctly there's a few more arcs that were in the LN

The sci-fi arc thing, the two kids, and the wedding haven't happened, I can't remember the order. Pretty sure it's not just "The End" after Claire is freed in the LN... unless my memory is failing me

It's ending after this arc. It would take years to cover the entire LN series, especially since a new sequel/arc series just started as well (about their kids and Lily). I'm assuming some of what you mention in the spoilers will be covered before it ends though (mainly their two little girls and their marriage).

The sales are good but Inori talked with the team and they felt it best to end now rather than try and go for many more years. It's the end of the first major arc and is a perfect stopping point since each arc is almost its own story. I'm hoping we get some extra chapters though.

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LN2 ending: Claire is saved by a comedic pile-up; Rae proposes. Then an epilogue 6 months later where they're living together, have adopted orphans, and we get a quick rundown of events. Then a longer "bonus chapter" where we see the kids adopted in the first place, also there's a rust monster.

Given the glacial pace of the manga, this is a good place to stop it, like the MagiRevo probable endpoint.

Is the manga ending after this? If I'm remembering correctly there's a few more arcs that were in the LN

The sci-fi arc thing, the two kids, and the wedding haven't happened, I can't remember the order. Pretty sure it's not just "The End" after Claire is freed in the LN... unless my memory is failing me

The manga will not be covering the "sci-fi arc", that would be act 2. Considering we've yet to see an announcement that the series is ending with volume 13, there will likely be at least one more volume adapting the LN2 epilogue and maybe the wedding stuff? fingers crossed.

Between the relationship of Lene and Lambert being prominent, and that the latest novels have Rae and Claire's daughters in love with each other, I'm not sure i fw this series as i used to

Between the relationship of Lene and Lambert being prominent, and that the latest novels have Rae and Claire's daughters in love with each other, I'm not sure i fw this series as i used to

yeah fair idk what inori's fixation with incest is about but it's kinda annoying that this keeps. coming. up.

people like what they like

At this point incest is all of yuri media tbh so many random storylines pop up in mangas like the Whisper me a love song one came out of left field and felt very out of place in that. Granted most of them are one sided and fade overtime but then you have others with whole ass series that are nothing but it.

At this point incest is all of yuri media tbh so many random storylines pop up in mangas like the Whisper me a love song one came out of left field and felt very out of place in that. Granted most of them are one sided and fade overtime but then you have others with whole ass series that are nothing but it.

"At this point incest is all of yuri media tbh".

That's a blatantly untrue generalization.

At this point incest is all of yuri media tbh so many random storylines pop up in mangas like the Whisper me a love song one came out of left field and felt very out of place in that. Granted most of them are one sided and fade overtime but then you have others with whole ass series that are nothing but it.

me when I lie

At this point incest is all of yuri media tbh

holy generalization chat

Yeah, very false generalization.

This Whispering example was weird. It wasn't entirely out of left field, Miki was kind of siscon from the very first chapter. But given the manga's themes of "what is love? what are my feelings?" I would have written it (if at all) as Miki being confused about her strong love for her sister, not having had a real romantic love to compare it to, vs. the "no, she really wants to date her sister, but will get over it with a distraction" that we got.

MagiRevo? No incest I can recall. Watatabe? None. KimiShinu? None. Helpless Saint? None. AriOto? None. Watanare? teased slightly, but nothing more yet, in a very comedic work. Etc.

At this point incest is all of yuri media tbh

holy generalization chat

Maybe 30 years ago when for some reason every damn manga had an incest plot (what was up with that?!). Nowadays you don't really see it much anymore.

MagiRevo? No incest I can recall. Watatabe? None. KimiShinu? None. Helpless Saint? None. AriOto? None. Watanare? teased slightly, but nothing more yet, in a very comedic work. Etc.

I mean, the same way she is using a few examples to prove her point, you are doing the same. Incest is prevalent in yuri, not all yuri have it, but it’s enough to associate them (now, if you see it as something negative obviously you will deny it, for some is positive and will happy accept it) if you read the comments, every time a sister appears the “please be siscon” comment is there!
Again, depending on whether you see it as something positive or negative it will make you see it this way “no, it’s not that common” or this way “yes, it is common”