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Unrelated but did anyone else think that the undershirt that Matsuri mentioned is probably some kind of compression shirt or binder?
It's definitely hinting at something. There was the washroom issue this chapter too.
incoming Transgender tag?
I'm so happy for our babies. I feel bad for Ren not knowing what to do when it comes to the bathroom either :(. Also kinda sad Matsuri wanted to give up and leave. But they got an editor to talk to them! I'm so excited I really hope she isn't like "We love the art but the story was kinda average so we don't need both of you only Ren" This story has been slightly angsty until the last like two chapters I could see something like that happening. (I really hope it doesn't)
Thanks for the translate and upload! <3
I do feel like theres a certain auto-biographical component to the manga, so I feel like theres a decent chance that the editor is sincere. But hard to say
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That bathroom scene was so real. I'm so glad the author put that in there.
Also I'm happy for our duo. It's better to sell a few copies and catch the eye of the industry, then sell a lot and be forgotten the next month.
Unrelated but did anyone else think that the undershirt that Matsuri mentioned is probably some kind of compression shirt or binder?
It's definitely hinting at something. There was the washroom issue this chapter too.
incoming
Transgendertag?
Based if true
Still not convinced Ren is trans.
They obviously hate their female features (since it seems they're wearing a binder) and speak in a male pattern (boku), which would point to them wishing to be a man. But according to previous chapters, and what I read ahead, they're feeling stuck in the middle and frustrated by society forcing them into one or the other, so I think they're more non-binary.
I'd hold up on the trans tag until we reach the relevant chapters.
Non-binary is trans. What makes someone trans is if they aren't cis, no matter if they're 'binary' or 'non-binary', and it's pretty clear Ren is not a cis woman. I don't understand this reluctance to call a clearly trans character what they are, trans.
Non-binary is trans. What makes someone trans is if they aren't cis, no matter if they're 'binary' or 'non-binary', and it's pretty clear Ren is not a cis woman. I don't understand this reluctance to call a clearly trans character what they are, trans.
"Non-binary is an identity embraced by some people who do not identify exclusively as a man or a woman. Non-binary people may identify as being both a man and a woman, somewhere in between or as falling completely outside of these categories. While many also identify as transgender, not all non-binary people do."
https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-and-non-binary-faq
As long as the character (or the author) doesn't clarify, it's unknown.
Forcing a label on them they don't identify as is rude.You're free to think they're trans, but the tag/label shouldn't set it in stone.
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"You're free to think they're trans, but if you express that I'm going to argue with you and be a pedant about it"
"You're free to think they're trans, but if you express that I'm going to argue with you and be a pedant about it"
I'm going to exercise my right to free speech, yes.
"You're free to think they're trans, but if you express that I'm going to argue with you and be a pedant about it"
I'm going to exercise my right to free speech, yes.
How about you exercise your right to not shit on other peoples' parades when it's really not harming anything or even doing much?
You act like calling a trans character trans is some sort of offense. Ren shares the same experiences as many trans people on the forum but if we say they're one of us we're being mean to them, amazing.
The definition of an 'advocacy group' isn't enough context to why there are people who are non-binary and don't call themselves transgender, why this was such an issue in LGBTQ communities as a whole, and does not change the fact that they are trans even if they do not call themselves so. Trans is not just an individual identity label but a term used to define our relation to the gender binary enforced by society, and they sure aren't cis. They're trans, because if you aren't cis, you're trans.
Every time someone brings Ren being trans up the first thing you do is try to shut it down when you don't understand those definitions yourself, and multiple people have already pointed out why they believe the character is trans. An author doesn't need to write something explicitly for it to be true.
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As someone that identifies in a non-binary leaning and generally gender flexible way I don't personally identify as trans. For my own person I don't want other people to apply terms to me that I don't identify as. There are of course non-binary people that do identify as trans, and I think this character could go either way. That said I want to be supportive of anyone that does identify as trans or otherwise, and I think everyone relating to this series is valid.
As someone that identifies in a non-binary leaning and generally gender flexible way I don't personally identify as trans. For my own person I don't want other people to apply terms to me that I don't identify as. There are of course non-binary people that do identify as trans, and I think this character could go either way. That said I want to be supportive of anyone that does identify as trans or otherwise, and I think everyone relating to this series is valid.
People on Dynasty seem to think differently and will call you trans, whether you like it or not.
You may not identify as trans but you are included in it because of your relation to society, and I'm not going to force you to call yourself that because it is a personal preference, and I myself do not use a certain label that does apply to me because it makes me very uncomfortable, but when we are analyzing our relation to society, that's what you'd fall under because you are not cis.
Love being portrayed as the evil mean one in a discussion for clearly seeing someone treating transness as something inherently bad that's forced on a character by people who relate to them!
People on Dynasty seem to think differently and will call you trans, whether you like it or not.
Well at the end of the day regardless of what people want to call me and what they think, I'm the only person that can define myself.
You may not identify as trans but you are included in it because of your relation to society, and I'm not going to force you to call yourself that because it is a personal preference, and I myself do not use a certain label that does apply to me because it makes me very uncomfortable, but when we are analyzing our relation to society, that's what you'd fall under because you are not cis.
Love being portrayed as the evil mean one in a discussion for clearly seeing someone treating transness as something inherently bad that's forced on a character by people who relate to them!
I personally don't think you're being evil or mean. I'm sharing my perspective and experience, and while we don't entirely align in our thoughts I think that's okay. Personal identity is a complicated thing with a lot of nuances, and I think it's cool that people with different perspectives can relate to this character. So I hope I didn't come off poorly.
You may not identify as trans but you are included in it because of your relation to society, and I'm not going to force you to call yourself that because it is a personal preference, and I myself do not use a certain label that does apply to me because it makes me very uncomfortable, but when we are analyzing our relation to society, that's what you'd fall under because you are not cis.
Love being portrayed as the evil mean one in a discussion for clearly seeing someone treating transness as something inherently bad that's forced on a character by people who relate to them!
I never said being trans was bad. Don't distort my thoughts.Trans people are very fine people, I don't have any problem with them.
I just object to put people in little boxes they never asked to be put into.
Some people are averse to the word "trans", it's true. These people should be educated of course, but applying the term to those who didn't ask for it may make them a target.
And I think in a chapter of this very manga, the author made it clear that being labeled was harrowing to Ren.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/pale_blue_green_color_saudade_ch04#12
And if this manga is a bit autobiographical, you can feel the pain of the author when they're told what they should be. A man, a woman, a trans. I'm not even sure they want to identify as non-binary.
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Yes, but that's the thing, I'm not talking about trans in a personal identity way, but where Ren fits. There's no third thing because what society wants you to be is Cis and only one way to stray from that which is what is being Trans. Unlike what was implied about me, I don't go around calling REAL people who don't want to be called trans if they have another way of describing themselves and have made it clear they prefer it and don't want to be called trans, because I'm not an asshole and have no right over their autonomy so I'm not going to be saying "You HAVE to call yourself this LABEL!!!". I'm not going to be forcing anything on anyone when I know how it is and I am forever stuck being something I never wanted to. What I'm saying is that on an individual level, labels are a matter of comfort and community, but that doesn't mean you're outside of a targeted group.
The difference is that this is a fictional character and we're discussing what's in the text and they've done nothing but try to shut that discussion down without understanding what they're talking about. Ren is not going to get hurt by trans users on the forum saying they're trans because they relate to the character's struggles.
I never said being trans was bad. Don't distort my thoughts.Trans people are very fine people, I don't have any problem with them.
I just object to put people in little boxes they never asked to be put into.
Some people are averse to the word "trans", it's true. These people should be educated of course, but applying the term to those who didn't ask for it may make them a target.
And I think in a chapter of this very manga, the author made it clear that being labeled was harrowing to Ren.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/pale_blue_green_color_saudade_ch04#12
And if this manga is a bit autobiographical, you can feel the pain of the author when they're told what they should be. A man, a woman, a trans. I'm not even sure they want to identify as non-binary.
They don't exist so a discussion around their transness is not going to hurt them, and again, it's not a matter of label. If we're going to think about it in the way real life works, then you are simplifying this issue way too much because first you'd have to question why there are people who don't feel comfortable calling themselves trans, why aren't they aware that they could be trans, why they aren't aware that non-binary exists, why people only think of a binary when they think of trans, why people would want to distance themselves from transness, why is it considered an offense to be trans...
Nobody here is telling what a character or a person should be but where on a non-individual level they fit in society... because they do fit in. I don't even call myself trans or non-binary outside of necessary contexts where something needs to be communicated. And I wish we lived in a world where the existence of those labels wasn't necessary, but it IS necessary for discussion, and even if you don't call yourself that, for as long as gender is violently enforced as it currently is and plays the role it does in society it will continue to be necessary.
So what we're seeing in this manga is clearly a trans character. They may not call themself that, they may not call themself non-binary (which itself is an anglophone term that people who fit into it may not call themselves!) but that's the relation they have to gender and their whole struggle.
The work has never been tagged or described as autobiographical. The author is a mangaka so obviously the creative part of the story can be their own feelings but using that as a counter argument for the gender part doesn’t make sense because is not a autobiographical work. Ren is also not a real person, talking about if she is or he is will harn no one lol.
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Non-binary is trans. What makes someone trans is if they aren't cis, no matter if they're 'binary' or 'non-binary', and it's pretty clear Ren is not a cis woman. I don't understand this reluctance to call a clearly trans character what they are, trans.
This feels like saying asexual people are actually homosexual, because there's only heterosexuality and homosexuality, and therefore if you aren't heterosexual you must be homosexual.
This feels like saying asexual people are actually homosexual, because there's only heterosexuality and homosexuality, and therefore if you aren't heterosexual you must be homosexual.
You can take that with society who decided that everyone needs to be male or female and following a strict set of traits to the point they will injure babies and beat up kids for not following the rules, not me who is simply stating how the categorization works and why the character, and even people who do not label themselves as such, fall into it, because all it takes to be trans and treated as such is to not be cis. I have said multiple times this is not a matter of individuality and the labeling your prefer, but your relationship to the gender enforced by society and how it affects your existence not just as an individual but part of a targeted group.
If you think this is comparable to asexual, and also bisexual, people having their attraction doubted and stepped on, then that's on you for not understanding the discussion, or anything about what it means to be cis or trans and why when discussing those social categories it is not helpful to be seeing of it through individual labels instead of a group who share the common trait of Not being cis, and reading my words in the most disgusting way possible.
You can keep ignoring my words though, and pretend that there are no people on this thread actively averse to calling the character trans and that I want everyone to use the words I've assigned to them, I've already said everything I wanted to. Not engaging anymore because none of you actually want to engage with my words and will act like this is just a well-intentioned protection of non-binary people and not quiet transphobia.
A shame such a beautiful work has readers who refuse to actually engage with the topics being discussed and are part of the very problem being portrayed, where the 'other' is treated as disgusting and something our character shouldn't want to be!
Ren is trans. Bye!
Non-binary is trans. What makes someone trans is if they aren't cis, no matter if they're 'binary' or 'non-binary', and it's pretty clear Ren is not a cis woman. I don't understand this reluctance to call a clearly trans character what they are, trans.
This feels like saying asexual people are actually homosexual, because there's only heterosexuality and homosexuality, and therefore if you aren't heterosexual you must be homosexual.
Not to fight but this argument doesn’t work because if you are not homosexual you can be other things than heterosexual but sex/gender doesn’t work like that in a society that assigns only between two options at the moment you are born. People will fight tooth and nail that sex is immutable (when it is) thanks to this system, sexuality doesn’t suffer the same treatment.
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I'd rather people argue over actually important and nuanced things like this over what ever the fuck is going on other threads.
You may not identify as trans but you are included in it because of your relation to society, and I'm not going to force you to call yourself that because it is a personal preference, and I myself do not use a certain label that does apply to me because it makes me very uncomfortable, but when we are analyzing our relation to society, that's what you'd fall under because you are not cis.
Love being portrayed as the evil mean one in a discussion for clearly seeing someone treating transness as something inherently bad that's forced on a character by people who relate to them!
I never said being trans was bad. Don't distort my thoughts.Trans people are very fine people, I don't have any problem with them.
I just object to put people in little boxes they never asked to be put into.
Some people are averse to the word "trans", it's true. These people should be educated of course, but applying the term to those who didn't ask for it may make them a target.
And I think in a chapter of this very manga, the author made it clear that being labeled was harrowing to Ren.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/pale_blue_green_color_saudade_ch04#12
And if this manga is a bit autobiographical, you can feel the pain of the author when they're told what they should be. A man, a woman, a trans. I'm not even sure they want to identify as non-binary.
God you are so fucking insufferable that it's a miracle no one else has called you out on your horseshit. Do you get like this when someone talks about a character not explicitly stated to be a lesbian is called a lesbian? Do you get this pedantic about subtext? Why the fuck is "UM, AKSHUALLY THEY NEVER SAID THEY'RE TRANS OR (whatever fucking label)" your hill to die on?
God you are so fucking insufferable that it's a miracle no one else has called you out on your horseshit. Do you get like this when someone talks about a character not explicitly stated to be a lesbian is called a lesbian? Do you get this pedantic about subtext? Why the fuck is "UM, AKSHUALLY THEY NEVER SAID THEY'RE TRANS OR (whatever fucking label)" your hill to die on?
Keep the ad-hominem off this forum.