Girl wdym yaoi yuri? It's yuri

I LOVE TOXIC YURI WHO IS WITH ME

I can already see certain people posting this comment section later to some social media site to be transphobic against trans people for daring to feel uncomfortable over something that the more I look at it the more it's just obviously meant to be transphobic garbage full of hate.
I really don't know why the fuck this was uploaded here of all sites and even if I get made fun of for this I don't think it should be here.

I'm with you, this needs to be deleted from the site!

Please don't! This is a very rough read and, IMO a bad manga, but beyond my general stance against censorship, I think the subject matter here is important because the discussion around it is. Insightful stuff's been said already in this comments section and I would be sad if the source of evidence for that stuff was removed. Sometimes we should remove a hateful work, sometimes we shouldn't, and I think this is the instance where we shouldn't.
Edit: Oh was it removed already? If it was idrc, I'm not in favor of keeping it up so much that I'm gonna argue against people about it.

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If we're willing to tag things based fully on subtextual headcanons, then can we at least make a trans subtext tag? Like you say, the tag is valuable to trans women who want a story like this, but to trans women who want actually unambiguous and intentional trans representation in a manga, like me, it's misleading and frustrating. If we made a subtext tag, you could still find series you want and I wouldn't be misled about ones like this. It's honestly my only disappointment with Ohana Holoholo; if it had accurate tags, I'd have no bad things at all to say about reading the series. It's an all-time favorite that I was unfortunately given false advertising for.
I remember the subtext solution was offered earlier and I'm not sure why it wasn't taken in the end. I assume it'd be some work on the technical side of things, but as trans representation and trans media analysis both gain popularity, it's an elegant solution to a dilemma that'll only appear more and more frequently. Those who manage tags shouldn't have to deal with an extended debate every time there's differing opinions on if a character is or is not trans. They shouldn't have to disappoint one group for the other's sake every time they make that call.

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You can do a lot of interpretation and analysis but ultimately the oneshot is beat-for-beat common transmisogynistic tropes. Just a very nasty-feeling piece of manga if you're anywhere near the affected groups. MilesVelocity was right

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Hey, trans theories are nice, but why is this manga tagged transgender? I look in that tag for characters who are trans, not slight trans coding. If it were about coding and amibguous implication I could put half the manga on this site in the trans tag. As it stands, Ohana Holoholo takes up more pagespace in the trans tag search results than most actually trans-inclusive manga.
I as a trans person do not think the tagging of this series is a complex issue. I am one of the people alluded to, who is looking for trans themes in manga—this is an already tiring process made significantly more frustrating by people describing manga without any trans people, or any dealing with trans life, or distinctly trans feelings, as trans manga.

I'm a bit frustrated because I do love the manga a lot, but the tagging right now is too jarring and wrong for me to focus my comment on the series itself. I vote to remove the transgender tag from this manga without transgender people.

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For a hot second I thought this was Crown and Cam from Nona the Ninth and I was ready to get terribly sad all over again

It means so much to me to have an unambiguously transgender girl as one of the leads, and to have her treated well by the main character and the narrative while still having her struggles explored. Too much for my ragged trans lesbian heart

If this story gets an anime adaptation I think it would genuinely change the world

What a dream! I would love to get an anime for it, I'm just not sure who I'd even trust to capture the greatness of the story. With the biases that any serious figures in the anime industry tend to have, I'd honestly rather see this get adapted by an independent group. But that's a super out-there idea AFAIK.

This truly is the best manga I've ever read. Such a masterpiece. Every part of it was so creative... I love the decision for the final chapter, especially! Life goes on, even after big moments, and happiness is about making the choices that will let you enjoy that time between big moments—Kon's arc is a perfect capstone on this theme.

^Totally, I just prefer readings that put down the Johnny crush thing because it squicks me (he's her dad basically)

Is this turning an age gap story

I think it's been pretty heavily foreshadowing that since chapter 3. The nail painting imagery seemed to me like some very strong innuendo. I stopped taking the story at face value after that and started reading it as an abuse narrative told through imagery. It's an absolute masterwork if you look at it that way, seriously.

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Totally stoked to see the next chapter, this one has absolutely sunk its fangs into me and it won't let me go. I'm going kind of insane over the metaphorical imagery and what it might mean. ZERO TRUST for the witch, I think she's even more dangerous than any of the kids invading her house imagined.
One thing I really like is how Alice's imagination, what she focuses on and especially how she envisions it, lends such nuance to her internal conflict. She knows she's being drawn to the witch, but she can't name those feelings as attraction. She feels any closeness so sharply, which gets represented by panel perspectives and even fisheye lens effects (as when they were sitting on the porch) that make the two of them seem physically closer together.
She fixates on questions like “Why does the witch paint her nails?” and “What is her name?” not only because she wants to get deeper into the witch's life, but because those questions act as distractions—if she's busy pursuing questions that she can't answer herself, she doesn't need to confront the one she can: “Why do I feel this way about this woman?”
Of course, the unsettling thing is the increasing reciprocation from the witch. A middle schooler feeling attracted to an adult isn't abnormal. It's not dangerous. An adult feeling that same way about a middle schooler absolutely is. A lot of the imagery comes back to that, I think.

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Broke: May is obsessively in love with Johnny so she's obviously not a lesbian
Woke: May is obsessed with acting in love with Johnny, a man who will very obviously never reciprocate, and frequently expresses how attractive other women are by filtering her opinions through the lens of "Johnny would like this," so she's obviously a comphet lesbian

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Tired of people acting like it's going to be bait. It's a really uninformed take. The author of this series, Arai Sumiko, has made and published numerous other explicitly lesbian manga; no ambiguity, no leading the reader along only to snatch away confirmation—straight-up gay women on the page. This takes one click on her mangadex page to see. Reading an interview with her, she discusses the kinds of lesbian stories that she likes, and her answer is contingent on the stories being explicit about the lesbianism. There are certain types of author who write "yuri exploitation" bait series, and she is none of them. It's exhausting to see people who want the right things (more LGBT rep) sharing really misinformed opinions on media because they haven't done their research into what queerbait actually is and how it actually works.
Edit: And now this comment has been proven by the manga

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