Just started reading this and damn this is angsty. All three of them are in very difficult positions.

Seriously I don't see a happy end here for Koto or Erika. It's clear Aya has no problems moving on, Koto is a complete mess while she is just doing her thing.
Erika is still caught up in her own problems + having to deal with the whole Koto/Aya mess again.

The way Aya is integrating in both their lives is also not promising, whatever happens their might have to keep dealing with her.

And the most vexing thing is that not one of the three is to blame, this whole situation is so ridiculous you don't wish this upon your worst enemy.

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She had a mental breakdown because Koto introduced her as her relative, despite knowing Koto had no choice in the matter. As Erika observed, this happened because Aya views herself as a child, and hates herself for it. Aya then proceeded to put her strong front right back on and has never even attempted to deal with this.

I don't think you're insane or have bad judgment. I'm sorry if my posts have come across as aggressive, but I don't ever intend to personally attack anyone. I enjoy fictional analysis. I just disagree with your analysis of this particular fictional character.

I appreciate the attempt at understanding. In this case, what happened from my perspective is that someone focused on a very tangential point in one of my posts that I didn't feel strongly about, didn't seem to see it as a valid opinion for me to have (a separate idea from agreeing with it, something I never asked from anyone) even though I am weakly committed to it, phrased observations that I had posted earlier like they were something I disagreed with or didn't know, and then continued to talk about it about after I indicated it wasn't something I was open to talking about more.

I am of course the one who keeps responding, but that's why I've been trying to disengage with this topic. It has not been fun for me.

I think that for example Aya responded to that discomfort by thinking about why Koto might need to treat her like a child and not be open about their relationship, observing Koto see if Koto actually saw her as a child, distanced herself from Koto when Koto indicated that she did see Aya as a child and that Koto didn't think Aya could relate to her as an equal, made connections with various people so she is living independently and not reliant on any one person and can better relate to Koto as an equal, and is making friends who are willing to treat her as an adult or equal so that she doesn't have to place all that burden on Erika and Koto. It would be unreasonable to expect her to fully resolve this in the week or month or whatever we've seen, but she appears to be making progress in her self image and social relations in a more mature way than some people three times her age.

However, I don't need or want anyone to have this same interpretation, which even I think could end up being wrong or not the full truth. Whether she's actually making progress or just faking it while burying the feeling isn't possible to determine in such a short amount of time, while concluding she's likely burying it and much worse than we've explicitly seen is as reasonable an interpretation as any.

Edit: I want to say I'm likely to be afk for a few days. Interpret my lack of response as due to this, rather than due to me being prickly and childishly hung up on wanting to be acknowledged for saying something first. That's also the case, but not why I am not responding in this case.

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the only 'terrible thing' erika did in the past was make a wish that someone they are jealous of/angry at disappears lol. What angsty teen hasn't wished someone would disappear.

Yeah. Typical "What angsty teen hasn't done or said something" defense lol.
I can understand as a immature teen couldn't help her thought like"My life would have been much better without that fucker". But actually act on it, especially when "that fucker" is one of your best friends, for the stupidest reason ever like "oh, she steal my crush who l like first even though she has no way of knowing it cause my cowardice", is a totally different story.

Please be explicit. What do you mean by act on it? Beyond making a wish at Tanabata which no one would reasonably expect to be literally actualized, what did she do?

But actually act on it

Do you think Tanabata wishes normally come true?

But actually act on it

Do you think Tanabata wishes normally come true?

“Normal” is not an applicable concept in relation to this particular argument.

the only 'terrible thing' erika did in the past was make a wish that someone they are jealous of/angry at disappears lol. What angsty teen hasn't wished someone would disappear.

Yeah. Typical "What angsty teen hasn't done or said something" defense lol.
I can understand as a immature teen couldn't help her thought like"My life would have been much better without that fucker". But actually act on it, especially when "that fucker" is one of your best friends, for the stupidest reason ever like "oh, she steal my crush who l like first even though she has no way of knowing it cause my cowardice", is a totally different story.

Please be explicit. What do you mean by act on it? Beyond making a wish at Tanabata which no one would reasonably expect to be literally actualized, what did she do?

Well, well, well. Another Erika's defender showing up yelling "She has done nothing wrong" is indeed one of my enjoyment now lol.

Look. She not only has the thought of wishing someone disappear, she actually writes it on tanzaku and hangs it up on bamboo. The hint in https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/how_to_break_a_triangle_ch17#34 is very obvious. She also apparently had a fight with poor Aya, who sincerely takes Erika as her best friend and has no way of knowing Erika's secret love. Considering Aya's good character, it must have been Erika's one side argument. Like hysterically screaming at Aya "l like her first", "Koto would eventually love me back if not for you", "You are just a stone between us", "l never consider you as my friend", "Why wouldn't you disappear?".
Yeah. What did she do? Ofc goddess Erika did nothing wrong ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

the only 'terrible thing' erika did in the past was make a wish that someone they are jealous of/angry at disappears lol. What angsty teen hasn't wished someone would disappear.

Yeah. Typical "What angsty teen hasn't done or said something" defense lol.
I can understand as a immature teen couldn't help her thought like"My life would have been much better without that fucker". But actually act on it, especially when "that fucker" is one of your best friends, for the stupidest reason ever like "oh, she steal my crush who l like first even though she has no way of knowing it cause my cowardice", is a totally different story.

Please be explicit. What do you mean by act on it? Beyond making a wish at Tanabata which no one would reasonably expect to be literally actualized, what did she do?

Well, well, well. Another Erika's defender showing up yelling "She has done nothing wrong" is indeed one of my enjoyment now lol.

Look. She not only has the thought of wishing someone disappear, she actually writes it on tanzaku and hangs it up on bamboo. The hint in https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/how_to_break_a_triangle_ch17#34 is very obvious. She also apparently had a fight with poor Aya, who sincerely takes Erika as her best friend and has no way of knowing Erika's secret love. Considering Aya's good character, it must have been Erika's one side argument. Like hysterically screaming at Aya "l like her first", "Koto would eventually love me back if not for you", "You are just a stone between us", "l never consider you as my friend", "Why wouldn't you disappear?".
Yeah. What did she do? Ofc goddess Erika did nothing wrong ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Like I said, this person is writing fanfic—the same fanfic over, and over, and over (although now with imaginary dialogue). Normal logic has nothing to do with the argument.

“Normal” would be understanding that lots of people wish for someone to disappear all the time without ever expecting that the person will actually disappear.

Like me. Right now.

the only 'terrible thing' erika did in the past was make a wish that someone they are jealous of/angry at disappears lol. What angsty teen hasn't wished someone would disappear.

Yeah. Typical "What angsty teen hasn't done or said something" defense lol.
I can understand as a immature teen couldn't help her thought like"My life would have been much better without that fucker". But actually act on it, especially when "that fucker" is one of your best friends, for the stupidest reason ever like "oh, she steal my crush who l like first even though she has no way of knowing it cause my cowardice", is a totally different story.

Please be explicit. What do you mean by act on it? Beyond making a wish at Tanabata which no one would reasonably expect to be literally actualized, what did she do?

Well, well, well. Another Erika's defender showing up yelling "She has done nothing wrong" is indeed one of my enjoyment now lol.

Look. She not only has the thought of wishing someone disappear, she actually writes it on tanzaku and hangs it up on bamboo. The hint in https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/how_to_break_a_triangle_ch17#34 is very obvious. She also apparently had a fight with poor Aya, who sincerely takes Erika as her best friend and has no way of knowing Erika's secret love. Considering Aya's good character, it must have been Erika's one side argument. Like hysterically screaming at Aya "l like her first", "Koto would eventually love me back if not for you", "You are just a stone between us", "l never consider you as my friend", "Why wouldn't you disappear?".
Yeah. What did she do? Ofc goddess Erika did nothing wrong ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Like I said, this person is writing fanfic—the same fanfic over, and over, and over (although now with imaginary dialogue). Normal logic has nothing to do with the argument.

“Normal” would be understanding that lots of people wish for someone to disappear all the time without ever expecting that the person will actually disappear.

Like me. Right now.

At least she had said something towards Aya.
Ofc we can't be sure of what she actually said but bad enough to torment her in the past seven years, to the degree Erika doesn't even think she has the right to confess.
Are you going to deny this normal logic?

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the only 'terrible thing' erika did in the past was make a wish that someone they are jealous of/angry at disappears lol. What angsty teen hasn't wished someone would disappear.

Yeah. Typical "What angsty teen hasn't done or said something" defense lol.
I can understand as a immature teen couldn't help her thought like"My life would have been much better without that fucker". But actually act on it, especially when "that fucker" is one of your best friends, for the stupidest reason ever like "oh, she steal my crush who l like first even though she has no way of knowing it cause my cowardice", is a totally different story.

Please be explicit. What do you mean by act on it? Beyond making a wish at Tanabata which no one would reasonably expect to be literally actualized, what did she do?

Well, well, well. Another Erika's defender showing up yelling "She has done nothing wrong" is indeed one of my enjoyment now lol.

Look. She not only has the thought of wishing someone disappear, she actually writes it on tanzaku and hangs it up on bamboo. The hint in https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/how_to_break_a_triangle_ch17#34 is very obvious. She also apparently had a fight with poor Aya, who sincerely takes Erika as her best friend and has no way of knowing Erika's secret love. Considering Aya's good character, it must have been Erika's one side argument. Like hysterically screaming at Aya "l like her first", "Koto would eventually love me back if not for you", "You are just a stone between us", "l never consider you as my friend", "Why wouldn't you disappear?".
Yeah. What did she do? Ofc goddess Erika did nothing wrong ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

I wouldn't count myself as an Erika defender, but having read your posts from the last 5 pages I'm just trying to understand your logic. She had an argument with Aya and she wrote something on the the tanzaku. That seems like an entirely normal thing. All your quotes are just guesses at what she could have said, so I'm really not sure where your confidence is coming from.

And again, writing a wish on a tanzaku is like throwing a coin in a wishing well or blowing out your candles on your birthday, no one actually expects the thing being wished for to literally happen. I don't understand the leap from "wrote something on tanzaku" to "committed violence upon someone".

the only 'terrible thing' erika did in the past was make a wish that someone they are jealous of/angry at disappears lol. What angsty teen hasn't wished someone would disappear.

Yeah. Typical "What angsty teen hasn't done or said something" defense lol.
I can understand as a immature teen couldn't help her thought like"My life would have been much better without that fucker". But actually act on it, especially when "that fucker" is one of your best friends, for the stupidest reason ever like "oh, she steal my crush who l like first even though she has no way of knowing it cause my cowardice", is a totally different story.

Please be explicit. What do you mean by act on it? Beyond making a wish at Tanabata which no one would reasonably expect to be literally actualized, what did she do?

Well, well, well. Another Erika's defender showing up yelling "She has done nothing wrong" is indeed one of my enjoyment now lol.

Look. She not only has the thought of wishing someone disappear, she actually writes it on tanzaku and hangs it up on bamboo. The hint in https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/how_to_break_a_triangle_ch17#34 is very obvious. She also apparently had a fight with poor Aya, who sincerely takes Erika as her best friend and has no way of knowing Erika's secret love. Considering Aya's good character, it must have been Erika's one side argument. Like hysterically screaming at Aya "l like her first", "Koto would eventually love me back if not for you", "You are just a stone between us", "l never consider you as my friend", "Why wouldn't you disappear?".
Yeah. What did she do? Ofc goddess Erika did nothing wrong ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Like I said, this person is writing fanfic—the same fanfic over, and over, and over (although now with imaginary dialogue). Normal logic has nothing to do with the argument.

“Normal” would be understanding that lots of people wish for someone to disappear all the time without ever expecting that the person will actually disappear.

Like me. Right now.

You got me there, had a good chuckle x)

When people are so judgemental of others, for actions that most are deeming normal or at least understandable, I always wonder if they truly have really high moral standards or if they are just cruelly missing empathy. I won't say which one I think it is, but have my guess.

I wouldn't count myself as an Erika defender, but having read your posts from the last 5 pages I'm just trying to understand your logic. She had an argument with Aya and she wrote something on the the tanzaku. That seems like an entirely normal thing. All your quotes are just guesses at what she could have said, so I'm really not sure where your confidence is coming from.

Coming from the guilt which has tormented Erika nearly a decade.

And again, writing a wish on a tanzaku is like throwing a coin in a wishing well or blowing out your candles on your birthday, no one actually expects the thing being wished for to literally happen. I don't understand the leap from "wrote something on tanzaku" to "committed violence upon someone".

Yeah. It's just a wish. I hope one day when you find out your best friend wishing bad things upon you and actually throwing a coin in a wishing well for this, you can be as understanding and empathetic and kind as you did towards Erika right now.

You got me there, had a good chuckle x)

When people are so judgemental of others, for actions that most are deeming normal or at least understandable, I always wonder if they truly have really high moral standards or if they are just cruelly missing empathy. I won't say which one I think it is, but have my guess.

┑(￣Д ￣)┍
Surely you won't be judgemental of others action according to your own moral standards lol. (Then what are you doing now???)
You indeed seems like the type of the people I always hate most.
I am not gonna reply you anymore.
Bad logic might be infectious…

Same apply to @Blastaar.
You know what? I think you are really annoying and not even worth wasting my brain cells to talk. However, the thought of wishing you disappear have never cross my mind even though you are just a stranger on the internet to me. You should feel ashamed of your malice.

Same apply to @Blastaar.
You know what? I think you are really annoying and not even worth wasting my brain cells to talk. However, the thought of wishing you disappear have never cross my mind even though you are just a stranger on the internet to me. You should feel ashamed of your malice.

LOL

EDIT: I do agree that my joke would have been an example of malice, if I thought we lived in a world where my wishes could whisk a person away to Never-Never Land. But the entire point of my post was that, like every other rational person, I do not believe we live in such a world.

(If it is any consolation to you, I did not “officially” wish that you would disappear; I just made a joke about doing so. So you can rest easy on that score. Google “use-mention distinction” to clarify the difference.)

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I am laughing so hard browsing through the whole thread. rosetammy25 really has a good sense of humor. I even want to be friends with you in real life.

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Real "I know trolls who use subtext and they're all cowards" hours in this thread

It's been a long time since I last come or even check this manga's thread (sometimes it gets too much and could affect my ability to enjoy reading the manga itself).
Seems I made the right decision to stay out after all the arguments here, which I guess wouldn't have any resolution at all, people are different and doesn't always need to be on the same page anyway. But, I did appreciate those who have such interesting takes and points for the three characters, it was really fun to read and worth to spend the time.

I have translated some of the author(Kabocha)'s illustrations of this manga on the reddit. Have a look if you are interested lol. I use the same user name there.