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Maybe the time has finally come to add that "Dynasty isn't a yuri reader" in the rules. In all caps and as a header. Maybe with a link to your in-depth reply, OP. This way we might avoid people having a meltdown in every het upload thread.

UranusAndNeptuneAreJustCousins
joined Sep 6, 2015

Maybe the time has finally come to add that "Dynasty isn't a yuri reader" in the rules. In all caps and as a header. Maybe with a link to your in-depth reply, OP. This way we might avoid people having a meltdown in every het upload thread.

I would use the term "not yuri-exclusive" rather than just yuri. That said, I do not think it will help much, just look at the accounts which did all that complaining (granted, most of those comments have been removed by staff now). Half of those people have been on the site for years but have never clued into the fact Dynasty uploads het sometimes. (And even yaoi.)

However, a public statement in a visible place would not be a bad idea on its own. Because that thread also demonstrated a common problem with the public perception here. One user wrote a bunch of nonsense trying to excuse bad behaviour that people really were not in the position to be excused for, but amongst other things wrote extensively how Dynasty "promotes" and "advertises" itself as a "yuri focused" site (which they meant as yuri-exclusive, otherwise it makes no sense that a single het upload (or any het upload) would cause this reaction).

Dynasty never "promoted" itself as anything, it is a manga reader site that started with a single scanlation group which simply did a lot of yuri (but not only yuri). The "promoting" and this entire nebulous "community" stuff that sprang around it is entirely done by the fans, an organic process once enough people were visiting the place.

That said, in the long run this is one of those issues that will never go away completely. It has been here since forever and will simply remain so. The staff is on-point every time, though. Probably the best take on the issue:

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Nevrilicious Scans
joined Jun 5, 2015

Considering staggering amount of people who don't read rules and/or are unaware of sticky threads, I'm not sure how much it'd really solve the issue.

New
joined Aug 4, 2016

However, a public statement in a visible place would not be a bad idea on its own. Because that thread also demonstrated a common problem with the public perception here. One user wrote a bunch of nonsense trying to excuse bad behaviour that people really were not in the position to be excused for,

Hi. This sounds like my post. If a mod could revive that post for clarity's sake, I'd appreciate it.

I did not excuse anything. I said I understood and expected it. I empathized with it. There is a difference.

but amongst other things wrote extensively how Dynasty "promotes" and "advertises" itself as a "yuri focused" site (which they meant as yuri-exclusive, otherwise it makes no sense that a single het upload (or any het upload) would cause this reaction).

I did not mean "yuri-exclusive," because that would imply that everything is supposed to be yuri, and there is plenty of stuff that is subtext or simple CGDCT. I would call that sort of content more "yuri-aligned."

Dynasty never "promoted" itself as anything, it is a manga reader site that started with a single scanlation group which simply did a lot of yuri (but not only yuri). The "promoting" and this entire nebulous "community" stuff that sprang around it is entirely done by the fans, an organic process once enough people were visiting the place.

And this is where the meat comes in.

Dynasty absolutely promotes itself as a yuri site. Dynasty is a yuri site. Have you read the rules yourself? I'm copy-pasting here:
First, and above all, remember that everyone is here to have fun and enjoy yuri together. This is the literal first line in the rules post.
We encourage the promotion of yuri works or projects by members of the community and do not consider such promotion to be spam.
Insulting scanlators is unacceptable, and will result in your comment and possibly you being removed from the forum. They work hard to bring us the yuri we love, and they don’t need abuse for it.

These rules were posted by the same staff member who was in that thread deleting posts and removing posting privileges.

I know what the staff will say, "We're not a yuri site, we just upload what we want," etc. I've been on the site long enough to have read the fine print; this isn't news to me. But these are just excuses to deflect responsibility. Actions speak louder than words, and Dynasty's actions are not saying the same thing their words are. It doesn't matter what it started as, it matters what it is and has been for at least the past few years.

Every week, dozens of images are uploaded to the site, 98% with the "yuri" tag, the rest subtext or with characters common in yuri groups. 99% of chapter uploads fit this same description. Most of the rest of that 1% is other general LGBTQ+ stuff which, while not perceived as the main focus, is generally accepted because it's understood that yuri fans may also be interested in these things. They also post the occasional yuri-related news.

A community doesn't form for no reason. It forms because of a common interest, and the common interest here is clear (and it's not "whatever Dynasty feels like adding"). This is the flock Dynasty has bred. Saying Dynasty isn't a yuri site is like saying a baseball stadium shouldn't be called a baseball stadium because it can be used for things other than baseball.

I want to believe that Dynasty staff has heard all of this before and anticipated the shitstorm that arose, but like I said, actions speak louder than words, and their actions - or inaction in this case - says the opposite, because that chapter discussion had no warning of any sort of what kind of posts wouldn't be tolerated and where people could read relevant information until well after the shitstorm arrived. No one can honestly believe that most users actually go into the general forum area and read everything instead of just commenting wherever they happen to be. That doesn't excuse those posts or make them acceptable, but if your rules are buried in a place most users aren't going to see them, maybe you ought to accept some of the blame.

For the record, I'm not trying to tell Dynasty what to do, I'm just giving perspective. If they want to keep uploading het every 1 in 1,000 uploads, that's their choice, but every action causes a reaction. If you want the perception of the site to reflect your own and for the reactions to be appropriate, that's something you must take action for.

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joined Jun 25, 2019

Dynasty absolutely promotes itself as a yuri site. Dynasty is a yuri site. Have you read the rules yourself? I'm copy-pasting here:
First, and above all, remember that everyone is here to have fun and enjoy yuri together. This is the literal first line in the rules post.
We encourage the promotion of yuri works or projects by members of the community and do not consider such promotion to be spam.
Insulting scanlators is unacceptable, and will result in your comment and possibly you being removed from the forum. They work hard to bring us the yuri we love, and they don’t need abuse for it.

And i raise the second rule for upload request
You may suggest het if the story is good or the comedy is good.

I know it's on the upload request page but it's there. Also there is a blacklist feature that can hide Het tag.

OrangePekoe Staff
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joined Mar 20, 2013

I don't think there's much for me to say or address here, really. So I'll just respond to the little bit that does. I have no problem with others continuing this conversation as they see fit, but all the usual rules apply. Please be kind.

Hauteclere posted:

Hi. This sounds like my post. If a mod could revive that post for clarity's sake, I'd appreciate it.

sorryifitsblurry

Dynasty absolutely promotes itself as a yuri site. Dynasty is a yuri site.

I know what the staff will say, "We're not a yuri site, we just upload what we want," etc. I've been on the site long enough to have read the fine print; this isn't news to me. But these are just excuses to deflect responsibility.

If you are able to quote me saying that Dynasty is "not a yuri site" or shouldn't be considered LGBT friendly or anything like that, please do so, and I'll take a look at it. My primary contention with these arguments that pop up on occasion are the choice to claim that we "promote" or "market" ourselves as anything. To my knowledge, we don't do any promotion or marketing whatsoever, and the people who find us find us through other platforms by word-of-mouth. In private, I've rarely given a specific and unconditional label to the site's contents.

I want to believe that Dynasty staff has heard all of this before and anticipated the shitstorm that arose, but like I said, actions speak louder than words, and their actions - or inaction in this case - says the opposite, because that chapter discussion had no warning of any sort of what kind of posts wouldn't be tolerated and where people could read relevant information until well after the shitstorm arrived. No one can honestly believe that most users actually go into the general forum area and read everything instead of just commenting wherever they happen to be. That doesn't excuse those posts or make them acceptable, but if your rules are buried in a place most users aren't going to see them, maybe you ought to accept some of the blame.

You may take issue with the location of the rules if you'd like, there's nothing I can do about that, so it is how it is. You seem to be wrong on some things though, and I'm not really sure why.

From the first post I didn't like, I posted the relevant rule and redirected users to the rules thread. When the situation grew worse, I posted a final, general warning and again redirected users to the rules thread. When someone chose to ignore those prior warnings and continue, I banned them immediately, and directed them to the prior warnings. Everyone else who continued had their post removed and was banned for a day.

I haven't the time to review every post removed or every user banned, but at least half of them had read enough prior comments to have an opinion on the general direction of the thread. They had seen the warnings, they simply didn't care enough to not have their voices heard in that thread. That's fine, I respect their calculation. For those who did not, I hope what transpired will be a reminder of what is expected of them in the future. Thanks.

OrangePekoe Staff
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joined Mar 20, 2013

Lilliwyt posted:

Dynasty absolutely promotes itself as a yuri site. Dynasty is a yuri site. Have you read the rules yourself? I'm copy-pasting here:
First, and above all, remember that everyone is here to have fun and enjoy yuri together. This is the literal first line in the rules post.
We encourage the promotion of yuri works or projects by members of the community and do not consider such promotion to be spam.
Insulting scanlators is unacceptable, and will result in your comment and possibly you being removed from the forum. They work hard to bring us the yuri we love, and they don’t need abuse for it.

I know it's on the upload request page but it's there. Also there is a blacklist feature that can hide Het tag.

Thanks Lilli, really did mean to post that. I'll add it to the rules and FAQ later, if it's not already somewhere in there.

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New
joined Aug 4, 2016

If you are able to quote me saying that Dynasty is "not a yuri site" or shouldn't be considered LGBT friendly or anything like that, please do so, and I'll take a look at it. My primary contention with these arguments that pop up on occasion are the choice to claim that we "promote" or "market" ourselves as anything. To my knowledge, we don't do any promotion or marketing whatsoever, and the people who find us find us through other platforms by word-of-mouth. In private, I've rarely given a specific and unconditional label to the site's contents.

"Promote" may not have been the right word. The site presents itself as a yuri site, and not without intention.

From the first post I didn't like, I posted the relevant rule and redirected users to the rules thread. When the situation grew worse, I posted a final, general warning and again redirected users to the rules thread. When someone chose to ignore those prior warnings and continue, I banned them immediately, and directed them to the prior warnings. Everyone else who continued had their post removed and was banned for a day.

The problem here is the first few words: "From the first post I didn't like." Why did you wait until a post like that was made? I, at least, thought it was obvious that there would be complaints, and in such a situation, the natural procedure would be for a staff member to post before anyone else to say that complaint posts wouldn't be tolerated and to link to the rules. This is what I was saying in that paragraph you quoted, not that you didn't post anything at all.

For the record, I, personally, don't care if you continue to upload het. If you care to notice, my original post made no complaints about the existence of het, I was only commenting on the reactions to it. All I'm saying is that this was inevitable and should've been anticipated.

OrangePekoe Staff
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joined Mar 20, 2013

Hauteclere posted:

The problem here is the first few words: "From the first post I didn't like." Why did you wait until a post like that was made? I, at least, thought it was obvious that there would be complaints, and in such a situation, the natural procedure would be for a staff member to post before anyone else to say that complaint posts wouldn't be tolerated and to link to the rules. This is what I was saying in that paragraph you quoted, not that you didn't post anything at all.

You did say "until well after the shitstorm arrived." I don't think 1 post is "well after," but that does quite change the meaning. It's just semantics, though.

I did consider a warning in the first post, but I decided it wasn't necessary. Lolicon, of which 40 chapters were added on the same day, has been vastly more controversial here than Het in the last ~year. Even then, it's been unusual to see more than a few detractors in any given thread, and highly unusual to see many folks continuing to post after prior warnings and bans. This situation wasn't quite unprecedented, but the level of backlash was rather beyond the expectations I had for what seemed to be a pretty innocuous manga.

If you care to notice, my original post made no complaints about the existence of het, I was only commenting on the reactions to it.

I do care, so I did notice. If clarity is desired, your post was removed for being "unnecessary," in addition to violating Rule 9:

Off-topic posting and conversation should generally be kept to a minimum. Thread derailment or re-purposing is unacceptable in all cases. Threads attached to specific manga are meant primarily for discussion related to that manga.

I ought to have redirected anyone with legitimate site criticism or feedback to this thread, that probably would have saved a few of us trouble. In any case, I'll be better. Thanks for all you wrote.

Avatar_54140
joined Sep 6, 2011

I'd like to know why my posting rights were revoked when the only thing I wrote in this thread:

https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/19270-sweet-days-with-a-boy-discussion

was "Is this an out of season April fools joke?". I didn't challenge the tags, I didn't complain about anything and only made a joke about the abysmal quality of that first chapter. I've been registered here for a whole decade and I honestly don't remember ever getting called out or reprimanded by the moderation team. In fact if you check my posts you can see that I like het because it brings back a bit of a sense of reality.

So while I understand your zealousness moderating these forums I think you should dial it down a couple hundred notches.

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OrangePekoe Staff
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joined Mar 20, 2013

Orestes posted:

I'd like to know why my posting rights were revoked

I believe you've already answered your own question, so I don't feel any need to respond in more detail. If it was a simple misunderstanding, then I apologise, it shouldn't have happened. Your concerns are noted. Take care.

Avatar_54140
joined Sep 6, 2011

I like your moderation in moderation.

New
joined Aug 4, 2016

I ought to have redirected anyone with legitimate site criticism or feedback to this thread, that probably would have saved a few of us trouble. In any case, I'll be better. Thanks for all you wrote.

You're welcome.

I must admit this sort of response isn't what I expected; I guess I'm so used to people being defensive and confrontational. While I'm here, though, I might as well say that I do think you do a great job overall. I love the site and I think the community in general is a pretty good one. You know how it goes, people often only speak when they have a complaint and that's how I ended up getting here, but I like ending things on a positive note when possible so that's what I'll do.

joined May 15, 2021

Ummm ive been here quite small amount of time but when i recommend this site im like "its a perfect place to find yuri easily", seeing all the stuff happening here and there with ppl complaining about nonyuri content, should i stop doing that?

UranusAndNeptuneAreJustCousins
joined Sep 6, 2015

Ummm ive been here quite small amount of time but when i recommend this site im like "its a perfect place to find yuri easily", seeing all the stuff happening here and there with ppl complaining about nonyuri content, should i stop doing that?

Around four fifths of the site's content is yuri. Everything is clearly tagged, making yuri releases even easier to find and the het releases easier to avoid, if that is not your cup of tea (made even more easy by the option to blacklist tags). If your parameter really is just "find yuri easily", this is the best place.

And despite so many apparently completely clueless people (even amongst those who have been on the site for years), fact is that Dynasty always uploaded a certain amount of non-yuri content. Nothing has changed. Even the meltdowns are nothing new, we have been going through these motions since forever.

OrangePekoe Staff
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joined Mar 20, 2013

Hauteclere posted:

I must admit this sort of response isn't what I expected; I guess I'm so used to people being defensive and confrontational. While I'm here, though, I might as well say that I do think you do a great job overall. I love the site and I think the community in general is a pretty good one. You know how it goes, people often only speak when they have a complaint and that's how I ended up getting here, but I like ending things on a positive note when possible so that's what I'll do.

Yeah, thanks for doing that, I appreciate it. We do our best, and I'm optimistic that things will only be getting better and better.

Sky-Ventus posted:

Ummm ive been here quite small amount of time but when i recommend this site im like "its a perfect place to find yuri easily", seeing all the stuff happening here and there with ppl complaining about nonyuri content, should i stop doing that?

Well, I'm not really sure how to answer that. We don't intend to remove any yuri content from the site, and are always looking to add more. The tagging system is - I hope - very comprehensive for people to find what they're looking for, especially when it comes to yuri. From my perspective, nothing substantial about the site has changed. You'll have to make your own determination I guess.

joined Oct 14, 2021

But why even have the het content? there is plenty of other places to find it on the internet. It is not even nice het series that get uploaded, like even kodomo no jikan is which imo creeps me out.

OrangePekoe Staff
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joined Mar 20, 2013

Marizal posted:

But why even have the het content? there is plenty of other places to find it on the internet. It is not even nice het series that get uploaded, like even kodomo no jikan is which imo creeps me out.

To be honest, I haven't much patience for your initial reasoning. When I've approached folks on MangaDex and elsewhere to allow us to bring their yuri work here I've sometimes been asked "What's the point? MangaDex has everything you want" or told, "People know MangaDex exists, if others can't find my translations on Google that's on them." What makes a series "nice" is entirely subjective, so I'm afraid that won't work either.

To the extent any reason is needed, one may browse the positive comments. Clearly there is some audience who find it meaningful enough to share their thoughts here.

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Shiofused
joined Apr 11, 2019

mangadex doesn't even have comments smh

joined May 15, 2021

mangadex doesn't even have comments smh

Its not finished yet supposedly sooooo XD

joined Oct 14, 2021

Marizal posted:

But why even have the het content? there is plenty of other places to find it on the internet. It is not even nice het series that get uploaded, like even kodomo no jikan is which imo creeps me out.

To be honest, I haven't much patience for your initial reasoning. When I've approached folks on MangaDex and elsewhere to allow us to bring their yuri work here I've sometimes been asked "What's the point? MangaDex has everything you want" or told, "People know MangaDex exists, if others can't find my translations on Google that's on them." What makes a series "nice" is entirely subjective, so I'm afraid that won't work either.

To the extent any reason is needed, one may browse the positive comments. Clearly there is some audience who find it meaningful enough to share their thoughts here.

I mean would it not be easier to convince others to bring their works here if this was actually a site for yuri works. if het is allowed what does separate this site from mangadex. while nice is subjective there are some very questionable series here so if het is going to be allowed perhaps at least lay out some guidelines for what het gets posted here. Maybe at least having some transparency over the process would reduce some of the unease in this community. Just my 2 cents, don't want to cause you grief its just this place is important to me.

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Dynasty Scans
joined Oct 8, 2010

I mean would it not be easier to convince others to bring their works here if this was actually a site for yuri works. if het is allowed what does separate this site from mangadex. while nice is subjective there are some very questionable series here so if het is going to be allowed perhaps at least lay out some guidelines for what het gets posted here. Maybe at least having some transparency over the process would reduce some of the unease in this community. Just my 2 cents, don't want to cause you grief its just this place is important to me.

First and foremost, we are not in competition with Mangadex. If people choose to have their work only hosted there, it's unfortunate but not something we're going to fight over.

Secondly, we are not "just" a site for yuri works. We have and always been a site that reflects and represents the kinds of stories that we (the staff who curate it) want to see. Yes, that means primarily yuri works since the history Dynasty is deeply slated in it. But Dynasty also has that same history in non-yuri works. That also means we want to include and actively want to increase our catalogue of yaoi, trans, and other queer stories. Having these stories (including hetrosexual ones) does not detract from the volume of yuri works we have.

There is another kind of "representation" we commit to, and that is allowing those who have trusted us and whom we trust, to host their work and as much of their work as they want to have on the site. Sometimes this will include non-yuri works, and that's okay.

Sometimes our views of things change, sometimes we mature in thought processes. There are representations of ourselves in old Dynasty works that we wouldn't represent now. We do and will update people when we decide to make a large enough decision that affects multiple works across our catalogue.

52722-l
joined Nov 8, 2017

Just wanted to point out one thing: I've submitted art by an artist I know as "Oyuu", but recently found out that's the same artist as this one who is already on the site (according to their alternative names):

https://dynasty-scans.com/authors/azuma_yukihiko

So if you guys approve any of the posts I submitted under the name Oyuu, please tag Azuma Yukihiko instead lol

Also, about upload requests, could you make it so the name isn't mandatory? Because I don't always know what names to give to images I request (I usually go character x character but there are some which have multiple couples or something like that).

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Snowfox
joined Jan 31, 2015

Suggestion: On the Forums page, it always gives links to the discussion pages "1 2 3 ... [latest]". I'm not really sure why I'd ever want to randomly revisit page 2 or 3, but I often go to the latest page then have to go back one or two pages to catch up. Would it make more sense to offer links to page "1 ... [last 3]"?

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