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I think the people who are reading too much into this are reading the English too literally and forgetting that this is a translation of Japanese and that English words are approximations of Japanese meaning. Even the translated title has different nuance than the English "Sheltered Girl". The Japanese title has "hakoiri musume" which is literally "daughter kept in a box". She's wasn't just sheltered, she was kept from almost all knowledge of the world and thus doesn't even know what genitals look like to tell male from female. This doesn't feel like a stretch to me.

People are similarly taking the "I might attack you" think too far as well by reading "attack" too literally. Love making is a very "vigorous" action. Just as "attack" is used in sports, it doesn't necessarily mean literally violent action.

last edited at Jul 10, 2020 6:20PM

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

You mean "let's bang" isn't about firing explosives at one another? Man, no wonder my last relationship didn't work out.

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joined Oct 22, 2018

You mean "let's bang" isn't about firing explosives at one another? Man, no wonder my last relationship didn't work out.

No wonder you thought that's what it means. You're a physics major IIRC.

I know you meant that as a joke, and you know I meant this as a joke, right?

joined Aug 29, 2019

I think the people who are reading too much into this are reading the English too literally and forgetting that this is a translation of Japanese and that English words are approximations of Japanese meaning. Even the translated title has different nuance than the English "Sheltered Girl". The Japanese title has "hakoiri musume" which is literally "daughter kept in a box". She's wasn't just sheltered, she was kept from almost all knowledge of the world and thus doesn't even know what genitals look like to tell male from female. This doesn't feel like a stretch to me.

Thanks for the input about the original title, it's nice getting some background every now and then. No translation will ever perfectly replicate what the original provided, and I generally like to take what I get at face value rather than pine over what could have been.
I would say, however, that "not knowing what genitalia look like" is still a massive stretch at college age, and that "sheltering" her from that knowledge is absolutely irresponsible on the parents' part. Not that I doubt that there are parents that would love to do it that way, I just think it's not plausible for it to actually happen all the way into adulthood.

People are similarly taking the "I might attack you" think too far as well by reading "attack" too literally. Love making is a very "vigorous" action. Just as "attack" is used in sports, it doesn't necessarily mean literally violent action.

Yeah, it's an interesting case because it's actually stated as a warning by the characters, and thus (at first) used in earnest, fully aware that sexual predation and assault are not okay. In the first instances, it is definitely used in a non-romantic "I'll do things to you whether you want it or not" way. After that they start toying with the rhetoric, making it their own, which is cool and empowering. This is the turning point: https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/handsome_girl_and_sheltered_girl_ch10#25

The more I think about it, it only bothers me if used willy-nilly as praise or romanticized, by an outside narrator. What the characters (or actual people) themselves say in bed is ultimately their own business, whether I like it or not. And if it fits in some playful dialogue, I probably won't mind at all. Chemistry and context.

You mean "let's bang" isn't about firing explosives at one another? Man, no wonder my last relationship didn't work out.

No wonder you thought that's what it means. You're a physics major IIRC.

You guys* made my night right there.

*or girls, what do I know.

last edited at Jul 10, 2020 7:26PM

Senjougahara_sama
Rowow
joined Jun 12, 2017

Damn Kanda is a lucky girl. Praise mochi, we're finally in the clear.

Alcoholism
joined Apr 15, 2017

^ I thought the same.

joined Jul 26, 2016

You mean "let's bang" isn't about firing explosives at one another? Man, no wonder my last relationship didn't work out.

No wonder you thought that's what it means. You're a physics major IIRC.

Sounds more like a chemist thing IMO... o3o

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joined Oct 22, 2018

You mean "let's bang" isn't about firing explosives at one another? Man, no wonder my last relationship didn't work out.

No wonder you thought that's what it means. You're a physics major IIRC.

Sounds more like a chemist thing IMO... o3o

Where's that one post Heavensrun made in the Futaribeya thread months ago when I need it?

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joined Mar 14, 2018

Kanda-Kun zigs and Ookuma-San zags

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Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

You mean "let's bang" isn't about firing explosives at one another? Man, no wonder my last relationship didn't work out.

No wonder you thought that's what it means. You're a physics major IIRC.

Sounds more like a chemist thing IMO... o3o

Where's that one post Heavensrun made in the Futaribeya thread months ago when I need it?

The one about solar intensity at the beach?

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joined Oct 22, 2018

You mean "let's bang" isn't about firing explosives at one another? Man, no wonder my last relationship didn't work out.

No wonder you thought that's what it means. You're a physics major IIRC.

Sounds more like a chemist thing IMO... o3o

Where's that one post Heavensrun made in the Futaribeya thread months ago when I need it?

The one about solar intensity at the beach?

Yep

EDIT: Found it!

last edited at Jul 12, 2020 5:23AM

Murcielago_reiko
joined Dec 9, 2019

People are similarly taking the "I might attack you" think too far as well by reading "attack" too literally. Love making is a very "vigorous" action. Just as "attack" is used in sports, it doesn't necessarily mean literally violent action.

{Love making is a very "vigorous" action.}

THIS. No truer words have been spoken.

last edited at Jul 12, 2020 5:51AM

LesbianPirate
Shithead
joined Oct 23, 2018

not if you're a pillow princess

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Nakoruru
joined Jun 20, 2020

In a bicycle race "attack" means you petal harder to pass an opponent or escape from the peloton. Nothing violent.

Shouldn't Ookuma (great bear) have bear ears?

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joined Jul 21, 2020

Well, that's a very interesting discussion with very interesting arguments, but can we all agree on One thing :

Those Fluffy animal parts are better drawn than the entire chapter.

joined Sep 6, 2018

I think this series should get the "Cross-Dressing" tag. For the main character has the intent to hide her identity with another mode of dress. If she wasn't concerned about her appearance to her friend, she would have confessed immediately.

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  • Sees twitter update * Well it looks interesting.
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wow this got good real fast

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joined Jan 11, 2019

I think the people who are reading too much into this are reading the English too literally and forgetting that this is a translation of Japanese and that English words are approximations of Japanese meaning. Even the translated title has different nuance than the English "Sheltered Girl". The Japanese title has "hakoiri musume" which is literally "daughter kept in a box". She's wasn't just sheltered, she was kept from almost all knowledge of the world and thus doesn't even know what genitals look like to tell male from female. This doesn't feel like a stretch to me.

People are similarly taking the "I might attack you" think too far as well by reading "attack" too literally. Love making is a very "vigorous" action. Just as "attack" is used in sports, it doesn't necessarily mean literally violent action.

The criticism isn't only based on the use of the word "attack", it's also based on the way the text explicitly uses the concept that people, and specifically men, cannot control themselves when they are aroused. This idea is reproduced uncritically and without commentary by any of the characters. The fact that it turns out not to be true about Kanda, and that in reality she's actually really good about consent, doesn't change that.

I think this series should get the "Cross-Dressing" tag. For the main character has the intent to hide her identity with another mode of dress. If she wasn't concerned about her appearance to her friend, she would have confessed immediately.

Considering that Kanda doesn't consider herself a man, and was already dressing that way before she cared what anyone thought of her gender presentation, that seems wrong. There are plenty of butch girls who dress like that, and they're not cross dressing.

joined Aug 29, 2019

Considering that Kanda doesn't consider herself a man, and was already dressing that way before she cared what anyone thought of her gender presentation, that seems wrong. There are plenty of butch girls who dress like that, and they're not cross dressing.

How would a girl crossdress anyway? There isn't really a lot of "masculine-gender-locked" clothing anymore. A suit or tuxedo (with a suit jacket, not a blazer) comes to mind, maybe a shirt, everything else, meanung most everyday clothing men wear, is unisex. Unlike skirts and dresses, which are (with very few exceptions) locked to the feminine. Blouses are basically just shirts adapted to female anatomy, so I'm not even sure if we should distinguish them from shirts, and tight-fitting t-shirts (similar to girly-shirts) have found their place in masculine fashion as well.

joined Jul 26, 2016

How would a girl crossdress anyway? There isn't really a lot of "masculine-gender-locked" clothing anymore.

Well if she's deliberately trying to pass for the opposite sex rather than, say, buying male-pattern trousers simply because those have proper useful pockets like my mother does, I'd say the intent makes the difference.

Unlike skirts and dresses, which are (with very few exceptions) locked to the feminine.

Skirts are manly yo

o3o

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joined Oct 22, 2018

The two comments above me reminded me of how I thought of the clothes of the peoples in the northern regions of eastern Heshul in the Story of Zadura and Odlega as season-locked, rather than gender-locked (long-sleeved thick shirts and thick long pants in winter, thin shirt-sleeved shirts and skirts reaching just above the knees in summer).

joined Jul 26, 2016

The two comments above me reminded me of how I thought of the clothes of the peoples in the northern regions of eastern Heshul in the Story of Zadura and Odlega as season-locked, rather than gender-locked (long-sleeved thick shirts and thick long pants in winter, thin shirt-sleeved shirts and skirts reaching just above the knees in summer).

That's, uh, kinda normal at high latitudes you know. The winter cold kills without some serious bundling up, which sort of wear conversely nets you a heatstroke in the summer heat.

Though usually trousers were then worn year round since they're pretty practical, just lighter patterns in the warm seasons. The Eurasian horse nomads had pants as default garb for both sexes because fuck riding in a skirt, but among more sedentary peoples some manner of skirt was usual for women for practical reasons (notably relieving yourself).

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