You guys are out of touch with reality. Steven Universe, Legend of Korra. I'll just leave it at that.

What are you talking about ? To my knowdelge neither of this two cartoons where problematic.

You guys are out of touch with reality. Steven Universe, Legend of Korra. I'll just leave it at that.

What... does that even mean? Legend of Korra has Korrasami. Are you perhaps refering to the rumor that they had to push the revelation that Korra and Asami were bi - and get together - until the very end due to the company interfering? That has been debunked. The creators admitted that they didn't even ask until the very end and that the company would actually have been okay with it even if they did it earlier.

I don't know much about Steven Universe, but I heard it got a lot of backlash in general.

Either way this has nothing to do with being out of touch and is just a non-sequitur to the conversation. The representation of sexualities in children's TV shows has nothing to do with gay pornography. I expected more from you Nevri.

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Nevri, I was hoping no one would use that old "argument" of putting sexual preference in the same box of sexual fetish such as lolicon or incest... That ain't right.

But I defend the point that a fetish is just a fetish, something we like in private and shouldn't be managed or concerned by other people (and I'm talking of course of fictional material in this case hentai) and no, it doesn't normalize anything real because even if I've saw some doujins with lolis I would be the first to break the neck of someone attacking a real kid, because sane people know how to see the difference, exactly like we enjoy movies with violence or fantasy anime.

I really don't want to live in a world where society tells me that Mochi Au lait is against the law and that she should be in jail for making incest stories all the time.

ANYWAY .having loli or shota content is nothing to be proud of... But neither is tentacle porn or watersports or monster girls but I don't go around telling anyone that I consume that in the street, because that's common sense. Yet I would be fucking pissed if they remove it from the web because is not what society wants, maybe I should read vanilla where senpai takes shy girl to the gym and leave it at that... AS LONG AS BOTH ARE ADULT and is properly censored with multiple black bars.

Final point, delete yagakimi

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ANYWAY .having loli or shota content is nothing to be proud of..

Nonsense, the L in LGBT pride stands for loli after all. There should be a copy of Kiss in the Blood next to every bible in hotel rooms from now forward.

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I really don't want to live in a world where society tells me that Mochi Au lait is against the law and that she should be in jail for making incest stories all the time.

That's an another problem.I have less problems with incest than loli.

But I defend the point that a fetish is just a fetish, something we like in private and shouldn't be managed or concerned by other people (and I'm talking of course of fictional material in this case hentai)

I tend to agree, but these are public sites. It ceases being private when you broadcast it to the world, eh?

I really don't want to live in a world where society tells me that Mochi Au lait is against the law and that she should be in jail for making incest stories all the time.

Well fictional incest is about as old as literature itself. And while incest is certainly... disliked, you can't really make much of an argument against fictional incest when you see Game of Thrones and other big shows show it to general public like that. Everyone I spoke to still finds it disturbing and revolting, but at the very least you won't go to jail for showing fictional sex between adult family members. Now if a child was involved, everything woukd be quite different...

...and is properly censored with multiple black bars.

That's a Japan/Asia thing. Those open minded people that brought you the disturbing stuff in the first place. Those islanders sure are weird.

Final point, delete yagakimi

I mean yeah, it's pretty controversial. I have never seen such criminal misuse of a nurse outfit before. Isn't it common sense to cast the busty girl for that role?

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Lilliwyt posted:

I really don't want to live in a world where society tells me that Mochi Au lait is against the law and that she should be in jail for making incest stories all the time.

That's an another problem.I have less problems with incest than loli.

Incest was also included in the list of things to ban (and bestiality) from Ex, you know? is all packed together as immoral content by the government where the servers are or were... Whenever that was the real reason to close the website or not, that's just how it is, so we can't say "yeah ban this, those and that- AH! BUT NOT THESE! come on!" so yeah ... Where we individually draw the line of what's okay or not doesn't matter, is what society wants and that's my issue.

Exhentai wasn't exactly public, that's why we call it sadpanda.

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I expected more from you Nevri.

I would advise against continuing on in this manner when the other person in the discussion is clearly not interested in continuing. I would doubly advise against falling towards taunts. Intentional or not, this line is simply unnecessary.

Nevri, I was hoping no one would use that old "argument" of putting sexual preference in the same box of sexual fetish such as lolicon or incest... That ain't right.

You're missing the argument. The argument is not that lolicon (in fiction), incest (in fiction), and homosexuality (in fiction) are the same. The argument is that society will ultimately legislate them the same way - if X behaviour does no wrong but can be legislated against, then government/society has the power to also legislate against Y behaviour which also does no wrong.

I do not endorse this view, but that is the view. (Given your next post it looks like you two agree on this, too.)

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if X behaviour does no wrong but can be legislated against, then government/society has the power to also legislate against Y behaviour which also does no wrong.

Yeah but we talk about child pornography which not legal whereas Homosexuality is pretty much legal in most of countries.

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I expected more from you Nevri.

I would advise against continuing on in this manner when the other person in the discussion is clearly not interested in continuing. I would doubly advise against falling towards taunts. Intentional or not, this line is simply unnecessary.

Well I was not taunting. I'm genuinly disappointed that Nevri who usually makes very sound arguments would use that kind of non-sequitur. I quite literally expected a more reasonable reply.
I suppose it could be interpreted as a taunt saying that Nevri should be a bigger challenge.. or something? Sorry I can barely even see it as that. Text often does not convey intent.

EDIT: Also I was called "out of touch" with absolutely no back up for the claim... does that not count as taunting too then?

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OrangePekoe, thank you.

Just my two cents. If you want to ban specific means of expression using entirely fictional content, why stop at porn? I'm sure all that violent videogames and films are also encouraging people to take a gun and make a massacre. And then we can continue with gay content and so on.

...this thread is rapidly becoming something of a broken record.

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https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=229503&st=0#

There's also the https://alexandria.exhentai.moe/ that drhelsing said... well, I guess is a matter of time (and contribution)

Ok, so the gay parallel was kinda clumsy, but as far as I know, killing people is just as illegal as molesting children. Yet we have crapton of movies, books, comics, series, video games and whatever about people killing other people and not always in self defense or even with some valid moral high-ground.

The thing is, people get frantic when it's about children in a weird way. I mean, years ago, I was browsing a wiki about skyrim and there was a page where people were enthusiastically talking about how they modded the game to allow killing children and going on to discuss the various way they killed Braith over and other again (for those who're not familiar with skyrim, braith is a really bratty little girl). And then someone come into the discussion, saying they would rather give her a hug and a kiss. All the people who were explaining how they were enjoying decapitating a virtual little girl were now going all high and mighty calling that person a pedophile when they never even mentioned having sex or anything with Braith.

Always rubbed me wrong ever since. I mean, even with the fallout series, going even back from 1 and 2, people were complaining about kids disappearing or even being unkillable. It's like murdering kids is fine because it's all a game and not real, but sex ? That doesn't benefit of the same "it's not real, so it's fine" policy ? Kinda strikes me as hypocrite in too many way. Also, rape is just as bad, but you see a lot of rape fantasy in hentai, yet people don't complain all that much against that. Unless, of course, it's lolicon as well, but then people tend to protest more about the lolicon side rather than the rapey side.

Point is, people have likes and dislikes, sure, but does that make some crime acceptable in fictions and others unnacceptable based on that ?

I expected more from you Nevri.

I would advise against continuing on in this manner when the other person in the discussion is clearly not interested in continuing. I would doubly advise against falling towards taunts. Intentional or not, this line is simply unnecessary.

Well I was not taunting. I'm genuinly disappointed that Nevri who usually makes very sound arguments would use that kind of non-sequitur. I quite literally expected a more reasonable reply.
I suppose it could be interpreted as a taunt saying that Nevri should be a bigger challenge.. or something? Sorry I can barely even see it as that. Text often does not convey intent.

EDIT: Also I was called "out of touch" with absolutely no back up for the claim... does that not count as taunting too then?

I'm genuinely disappointed in you BugDevil not to mention our failing education system.

See, how that works?

Also their argument was far from a non-sequitur. Their point is when it comes to cartoon fetishes where there is obviously nobody being harmed by the creation of the fetish content there is no difference between banning something like yuri and banning something like necrophilia, bestiality, incest, pedophilia etc. in that the banning has no moral grounds and is instead based upon one's own personal sense of disgust which has no place in policy making.

Just because the majority of people find something revolting doesn't mean they get to thought police those that do not. That in itself is immoral.

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Given how the material in question was taken down days ago, and this discussion is in the process of descending into a spitting match between two deeply entrenched camps, I am now locking this thread.

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