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Well, I could be wrong. By "diligent research", I meant "5 minutes of googling", so there's bound to be some inaccuracies in my method.

Lots of stuff on this “me too” construction in various places:

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/08/me-too-i-too.html

“English speakers generally choose “me” over “I” when a pronoun is the subject of an elliptical, verbless sentence, never mind what’s technically correct.”

There’s a scene in The Godfather where Michael talks to Kay on the phone with a bunch of wiseguys hanging around, and although he doesn’t say, “Me too,” it’s exactly the situation where a bashful person would say it:

KAY'S VOICE (over the phone): I love you.

MICHAEL (into the phone): Huh?

KAY'S VOICE (over the phone, louder): I love you. (then) Michael?

MICHAEL (into the phone): Yeah, I know.

KAY'S VOICE (over the phone): Tell me you love me...

MICHAEL (into the phone): I can't talk...

KAY'S VOICE (over the phone): Can't you say it?

MICHAEL (into the phone): Eh...I'll see you tonight.

KAY'S VOICE: Okay

[Michael hangs up the phone.]

CLEMENZA: Hey, Mikey, why don't you tell that nice girl you love her? (in an exaggerated Italian accent) I love you with all-a my heart! If I don't see you again soon, I'm a-gonna die! (laughs)

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Oh, I actually just watched that. It's a good scene, it makes a nice contrast with him murdering two guys in cold blood shortly after.

I'm just saying that I've seen enough people bitching about how "me too" is actually incorrect (as opposed to just awkward or insincere) that I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, and say that in some variety of English I've never encountered, if you answered "I love you" with "me too" people would be genuinely confused as to what you meant.

Edit: sorry, I can genuinely discuss grammar and what "correctness" means in language all day.

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Oh, I actually just watched that. It's a good scene, it makes a nice contrast with him murdering two guys in cold blood shortly after.

I'm just saying that I've seen enough people bitching about how "me too" is actually incorrect (as opposed to just awkward or insincere) that I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, and say that in some variety of English I've never encountered, if you answered "I love you" with "me too" people would be genuinely confused as to what you meant.

Edit: sorry, I can genuinely discuss grammar and what "correctness" means in language all day.

No apologies needed—I’m just getting started myself.

Anybody who has a problem with “I love you” > “Me too” is pedantically overcorrecting an incredibly common idiom.

Like the very common avoidance of objective “me” when it is correct.

“Sally went to the mall with Mary and I.” = No.

All you have to do is take out “Mary” to hear how wrong that is: “Sally went to the mall with I.”

Unless you’re a Rastafarian, in which case it would be, “Sally went to Babylon mall in the shitty with I and I” anyway.

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joined Mar 22, 2018

Maybe it's because I'm everything that is awkward personified, but yeah, there's no problem responding with "me too" to "I love you."
I mean, I guess it could be a problem depending on the atmosphere or if the person you're saying it to takes it as being too casual, but typically, it's fine. For them it was perfect.

Hell, it's possible the "me too" reply is a regional thing. I've never given it any thought before.

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Blastaar posted:

From experience, I have never known or heard of a native speaker who would consider “Me too” to be ungrammatical or as saying, “I love me too.”

In fact, it’s an expected telephone response when the speaker is in a situation where being overheard saying “I love you too” would be embarrassing or inappropriate. So much so that in certain circumstances it would be obvious that the speaker was avoiding saying “I love you too” and might be teased for it.

Maybe it's a regional thing but I don't know anyone who wouldn't consider it an awkward thing to say and I'm American. This includes people I know who have actually said it as well. All of them fit into the categories I listed of being socially awkward or being caught off-guard. It's a similar situation to another odd response that happens frequently in manga and webcomics where someone's at a restaurant or a movie theater and the employee they're interacting with says "enjoy your meal/the movie!" and the person replies with "you too!"

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Maybe it's a regional thing but I don't know anyone who wouldn't consider it an awkward thing to say and I'm American. This includes people I know who have actually said it as well. All of them fit into the categories I listed of being socially awkward or being caught off-guard. It's a similar situation to another odd response that happens frequently in manga and webcomics where someone's at a restaurant or a movie theater and the employee they're interacting with says "enjoy your meal/the movie!" and the person replies with "you too!"

Well, there you go. It's probably different in different English varieties then (and I don't just mean American English vs British English, but maybe specific smaller regional variations, or social class or just personal idiosyncrasies).

The "enjoy your meal" "you too!" thing always sounds like a silly mistake to me as well, something that I laugh at if I hear someone else say it, or feel stupid if I'm distracted and say that myself. After all, they're serving you a meal, it's not like they're about to eat. I don't know if I've ever seen this misused in a manga translation, it's just the sort of thing really awkward people do and people on the internet joke about.

But "I love you" "me too" sounds fine to me.

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Partly it has to do with the highly ritualized nature of this specific exchange: when someone says, “I love you,” anything other than some version of “I love you too” is going to be awkward to some extent. What, “I’m glad”? “That’s nice”? “Oh, aren’t you sweet?” (If you really want to get into regional idioms, try responding, “Why bless your heart!”)

But again, it’s primarily an idiomatic issue rather than a grammatical one. As one hypothetical parallel example, if someone were to say something like, “I’m so glad I met you,” the response, “Me too” would clearly be intended to say, “I too am glad that I met you” rather than “I too am glad that you met me.”

In both cases, the “me too” indicates reciprocity, whatever the strictest parsing of grammar and logic would say.

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(If you really want to get into regional idioms, try responding, “Why bless your heart!”)

All the more fun since, in the parts of the South I've been to, "bless your heart" translates to "you're an idiot but I'm too much of a lady/gentleman to say that out loud."

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I think my preferred regional response would be "u wot m8?"

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Scissoring Triforce!

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there is no possible way that the friends have not figured out that chidori and nanoha are super gay for each other. and one day i hope there's a full chapter on abe-chin and yoshida, they look so cute!

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Ty for reading to the end

Is it ending nooooo

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Is it ending nooooo

No, this is just the end of Volume 2. Volume 3 comes out next week, and the author is still releasing weekly chapters online.

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poly alert

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The distance from "These three are best friends" to "These three are lovers" is about.... four, five chapters?

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in reference to hand holding: "isn't that kinda plain" O.o glasses is a freak XD

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One of my favorite chapters :’))

I think the scans are about halfway caught up now. Drama incoming though.

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Drama incoming though.

To my mind, drama doesn't really start until chapter 41, when the name of the series finally starts to make some kind of sense.... Up till then it's lots of Hana and no Arashi (except in flashbacks).

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One of my favorite chapters :’))

I think the scans are about halfway caught up now. Drama incoming though.

LALALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

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This series is always so great, hope it gets an anime.
And I thought maybe there would be actual Yuri between the other three friends in that volume extra. I'm kinda disappointed tbh. lol

Drama incoming though.

Why though?

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This series is always so great, hope it gets an anime.
And I thought maybe there would be actual Yuri between the other three friends in that volume extra. I'm kinda disappointed tbh. lol

I doubt the others will be lesbians too. This just doesn't seem to be of the "everyone is gay" variety of high school yuri—it's not like A Kiss and a White Lily, since boys seem to exist in this universe and these three have each brought up how much they'd like to find a boyfriend.

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When are they gonna kiiiiiiiiiiiiss?????????

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Drama incoming though.

To my mind, drama doesn't really start until chapter 41, when the name of the series finally starts to make some kind of sense.... Up till then it's lots of Hana and no Arashi (except in flashbacks).

Oh no, I wasn't trying to say that the storm was brewing in the next few chapters, haha. I was referring to the more recent chapters. I haven't read the latest one (the read-in-advance one), but the title is so ominous :'))

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Oh no, I wasn't trying to say that the storm was brewing in the next few chapters, haha. I was referring to the more recent chapters. I haven't read the latest one (the read-in-advance one), but the title is so ominous :'))

Oh yeah.... That title hints at scary things to come. Oh well, we'll find out tomorrow when the chapter's out for free.

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Goddammit. The one time they were getting touchy with each other, the friends are there to yuriblock us.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to say that the storm was brewing in the next few chapters, haha. I was referring to the more recent chapters. I haven't read the latest one (the read-in-advance one), but the title is so ominous :'))

Oh yeah.... That title hints at scary things to come. Oh well, we'll find out tomorrow when the chapter's out for free.

Where are you guys reading the raws?

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