I'm not sure what ship to be riding in anymore

So the senpai helped the momcon out because she is a siscon herself? Incest is really popping these days in fictional media.

president: yeah i havent seen my sister in a few years i kinda miss her
everyone on this godforsaken forum: oh my god she wants to fuck her sister

but a sis-con is also nice. let's hope for a happy ending for both sisters.

Given her attitude, i can already told you there is already a bad ending. She said that she didn't see her sister from a long time. We know her sister has been hospitalized a lot but i think she could have visit her.Since her mother is dead and Senpai is living without her father, i'm supossing the parents (or at least the father) know about the sislove and decide to separate them.

Also personal opinion but i hate Senpai character and making her a siscon just for the sake of justifying her actions by "She try to help Asuka" is stupid. The whole Senpai's attitude is despitable and i can't think she had any good intents behind her actions.

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Also personal opinion but i hate Senpai character and making her a siscon just for the sake of justifying her actions by "She try to help Asuka" is stupid. The whole Senpai's attitude is despitable and i can't she had any good intents behind her actions.

Right—“personal opinion.”

The statement, “Miyuki thinks she’s being helpful to Asuka” is an interpretation of the story. It may be proven incorrect by later events in the story, but it falls under the heading of “literary criticism.”

“She is despicable and her intentions are no good” is a personal value judgment made about an imaginary person, and can neither be proven nor disproven.

I fail to understand what is your point ? It's my personal judgement on the situation, i fail to understand why it's wrong ?

“She is despicable and her intentions are no good” is a personal value judgment made about an imaginary person, and can neither be proven nor disproven.

So i'm not authorise to talk about my opinion on a fictional character because it's personal ? I thought the point of a discussion was to talk about your opinion and discuss it with other peoples but i guess i can't.

I fail to understand what is your point ? It's my personal judgement on the situation, i fail to understand why it's wrong ?

“She is despicable and her intentions are no good” is a personal value judgment made about an imaginary person, and can neither be proven nor disproven.

So i'm not authorise to talk about my opinion on a fictional character because it's personal ? I thought the point of a discussion was to talk about your opinion and discuss it with other peoples but i guess i can't.

Might as well lose the aggrieved tone—you’re free to say whatever you want, and nobody ever said any different.

But the statement “making her a siscon just for the sake of justifying her actions by "She try to help Asuka" is stupid” isn’t very coherent—who is doing the “making”? The author? Other readers? So who in particular are you calling “stupid”?

There’s a difference between positing a possible in-story explanation or underlying motivation for a character’s actions and “justifying” those actions.

Oooooo scheming little senpai bitch keeping the drama alive!!!!!!
sets self on fire
fist pumps 'WOOOOOOP WOOOOOP!'

But the statement “making her a siscon just for the sake of justifying her actions by "She try to help Asuka" is stupid” isn’t very coherent—who is doing the “making”? The author? Other readers? So who in particular are you calling “stupid”?

Why it isn't coherent ? That's still a personal opinion as far as i'm concerned even if i don't talk about the story. I can think that the author using "Making Senpai a siscon so she secretly try to help" is stupid but i don't think that the author is stupid overall. You can found my opinion stupid and harsh, i'm totally ok with that.

But the statement “making her a siscon just for the sake of justifying her actions by "She try to help Asuka" is stupid” isn’t very coherent—who is doing the “making”? The author? Other readers? So who in particular are you calling “stupid”?

Why it isn't coherent ? That's still a personal opinion as far as i'm concerned even if i don't talk about the story. I can think that the author using "Making Senpai a siscon so she secretly try to help" is stupid but i don't think that the author is stupid overall. You can found my opinion stupid and harsh, i'm totally ok with that.

Now that you've clarified, the statement makes some sense.

The problem with "justifying" is inherent, however--giving an explanation is not the same as excusing..

So, in the end, Asuka and Miyuki never danced the horizontal tango, huh?

I dunno how I feel about that...
On one hand, it means Ayako will be Asuka's first... and we all know how important it is, in a Japanese story, to have your "first time" with someone you really love.
On the other hand, there goes down the drain the last chance of Asuka x Ayako. When they finally do it, it will be Ayako x Asuka, set in stone. I was secretly hoping for a repeat of the development from the time of their first tongue kiss (you know, Asuka taking the lead and totally dominating Ayako until she begs for mercy), but no luck: it's going to be a "Mama, oshiete kudasai!" "Haaai, oshiete a-ge-ru!" kind of scene.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but still... ^^;;

But Ayako has less experience with girls than Asuka? Since the later at least went about... half the way? And I'm positive that Ayako let Asuka lead anyway (at least for their first few times) so she could be absolutely sure that she is not forcing Asuka to do something she doesn't want to.

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But Ayako has less experience with girls than Asuka? Since the later at least went about... half the way? And I'm positive that Ayako let Asuka lead anyway (at least for their first few times) so she could be absolutely sure that she is not forcing Asuka to do something she doesn't want to.

Don't forget the hint that Akira (the horndog sister-in-law) made moves on Ayako in the past--how far she got is unknown at this time.

^^ Hm, I was of the impression that Akira and Ayako had been occasional lovers after Ayako became a widow. There were dialogues that seemed to imply it, or so I thought. Maybe I'm mistaken and read too much into it?

"Mama, oshiete kudasai!" "Haaai, oshiete a-ge-ru!"

this was fucking funny

Bitch

Hm, I was of the impression that Akira and Ayako had been occasional lovers after Ayako became a widow.

It has a lot to do with Akira's first appearance.

Remember, Asuka had finally confessed, and Ayako had accepted her feelings (more or less) and agreed to have romantic kisses and share a bed with Asuka. Things were looking good... and then, at the very last page of a chapter, Akira appeared for the first time: she was at the airport, freshly arrived to the city, and was calling Ayako to say: 'Hey, darling, I'm back in town. I'm going to your place. I'll be staying with you. I love you.'

That was screaming Zorra-chan.

That's how the "ex who returns" always appears for the first time. Always when things are going well for the MC couple. Always a dramatic appearance in the last page of a chapter, where she reveals she's back to rekindle the old affair. It's like a law of manga or something, hehe.

I as well was persuaded, after a first appearance like that, that Akira was an ex-lover of Ayako. And tbh the events from that point on pretty much confirmed it... (Like that scene where Ayako, knife in hand, tells Akira that it's ok to fuck her since Ayako is used to it and doesn't mind, but she better keep her cotton-picking hands off Asuka!)

Remember, Asuka had finally confessed, and Ayako had accepted her feelings (more or less) and agreed to have romantic kisses and share a bed with Asuka. Things were looking good... and then, at the very last page of a chapter, Akira appeared for the first time: she was at the airport, freshly arrived to the city, and was calling Ayako to say: 'Hey, darling, I'm back in town. I'm going to your place. I'll be staying with you. I love you.'

Nope, that was actually Akira staying at their house which caused them to share a bed again which led to "a talk" between them which led to their kissing agreement. So Akira propelled their relationship rather than delaying them.

That's how the "ex who returns" always appears for the first time. Always when things are going well for the MC couple. Always a dramatic appearance in the last page of a chapter, where she reveals she's back to rekindle the old affair. It's like a law of manga or something, hehe.

This manga showed quite a few times already that it's not following usual tropes. Or rather I think Taiyki enjoying trolling readers with promises of such tropes only to gloriously avert them.

(Like that scene where Ayako, knife in hand, tells Akira that it's ok to fuck her since Ayako is used to it and doesn't mind, but she better keep her cotton-picking hands off Asuka!)

Nope, Ayako said that Akira can LOOK at her in such a way, not FUCK her because she is used to this.
Personally I don't think Ayako is a kind of woman to just casually have sex with her friend/sister-in-love. If she had that kind of relationship with Akira she would treat it seriously. And for Akira... the woman saying stuff like here
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/1_x_ch08#25 doesn't look like someone who could have a casual intimacy with the person she is referring to in that line.

to prevent asuka from getting Herpes and STDs mom will take care of her sexual desires

And for Akira... the woman saying stuff like here
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/1_x_ch08#25 doesn't look like someone who could have a casual intimacy with the person she is referring to in that line.

Except for this:

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/1_x_ch07#13

But Ayako has less experience with girls than Asuka? Since the later at least went about... half the way? And I'm positive that Ayako let Asuka lead anyway (at least for their first few times) so she could be absolutely sure that she is not forcing Asuka to do something she doesn't want to.

Don't forget the hint that Akira (the horndog sister-in-law) made moves on Ayako in the past--how far she got is unknown at this time.

I think Akira adores Ayako and loves her in a sense. Ayako just brushes it off and doesn't take it seriously. I'm sure Ayako was only loyal to her husband and he was her first and only lover so she never cared to look at anyone else (until her special daughter confessed)

And for Akira... the woman saying stuff like here
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/1_x_ch08#25 doesn't look like someone who could have a casual intimacy with the person she is referring to in that line.

Except for this:

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/1_x_ch07#13

That was going to be just a completely innocent kiss I'm absolutely sure!
Seriously though I think Akira just slipped that one time. Like Asuka in the end of chapter 5.

I'm not sure who hasn't saw (heard) of this but you're welcome. I'm really happy of the voice actresses, it's exactly how I imagined their voices to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZfBcdECstY&list=PLgNR394mBCRRHA0W9gJoC6YfXS99wFMR0

Remember, Asuka had finally confessed, and Ayako had accepted her feelings (more or less) and agreed to have romantic kisses and share a bed with Asuka. Things were looking good... and then, at the very last page of a chapter, Akira appeared for the first time: she was at the airport, freshly arrived to the city, and was calling Ayako to say: 'Hey, darling, I'm back in town. I'm going to your place. I'll be staying with you. I love you.'

Nope, that was actually Akira staying at their house which caused them to share a bed again which led to "a talk" between them which led to their kissing agreement. So Akira propelled their relationship rather than delaying them.

You know you aren't refuting anything, right? The OP could have said: "Asuka had finally confessed, things were looking good... and then, at the very last page of a chapter, Akira appeared for the first time: she was at the airport, blah blah..." and it wouldn't have changed a thing to the point.

And as for Akira propelling their relationship, well duh: that's what every ex-who-returns ends up doing in every romantic manga ever. No matter what her plans are, her actions always end up making the main couple stronger. Even if, like Akira, they don't wish for such a development.

That's how the "ex who returns" always appears for the first time. Always when things are going well for the MC couple. Always a dramatic appearance in the last page of a chapter, where she reveals she's back to rekindle the old affair. It's like a law of manga or something, hehe.

This manga showed quite a few times already that it's not following usual tropes. Or rather I think Taiyki enjoying trolling readers with promises of such tropes only to gloriously avert them.

Gross generalization, very inaccurate. This manga follows tropes or not, according to whatever the author decides it's best for the story. I can give you a list of tropes from TVtropes that can be found here, if you want.

Ayako said that Akira can LOOK at her in such a way, not FUCK her because she is used to this.

This is only your speculation, don't present it as fact.
Akira said she wanted oyakodon, that is, fuck Ayako and Asuka together. Ayako said "Don't ever look at Asuka in that way." Then, in a 3d panel, she added: "I don't really mind if it's me, though." What is she referring to, the "look" from 1 panel before or the "fuck" from 2 panels before? I always assumed she was talking about fucking, and, from the previous comments, it seems I wasn't the only one who read the scene that way. Frankly, it had never occurred to me, until I saw your message, that she could be talking about looking... but I'll give you that such a reading works, too (even if it appears like a silly thing for Ayako to say).

I don't think Ayako is a kind of woman to just casually have sex with her friend/sister-in-love. If she had that kind of relationship with Akira she would treat it seriously.

I see them very well comforting each other after their loss. For Akira, it would mean a lot; for Ayako, it would be just a healing thing: two girls who have been hurt healing each other through the physical expression of love. Eventually Ayako would decide to stop, and Akira would have to agree. Akira, aamof, doesn't want to go serious with Ayako, for reasons of vague guilt that are not clear yet, but she obviously has no problem with a casual tryst.

And for Akira... the woman saying stuff like here
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/1_x_ch08#25

Yes, that's exactly what I was taking about: vague guilt the details of which escape us still. Akira being Akira, that doesn't stop her from trying to steal kisses from Ayako or making sexual propositions. This is canon. And think about this: it's also a reality that Ayako understands lesbian attraction and accepts it as normal, whether she's the one feeling it ot it's someone else feeling it for her. Looking at her interactions with Akira, isn't it natural to assume she was taught by her?

A very interesting perspective that's for sure. I'm for one never would've guessed that someone could interpret Akira/Ayako relationship like that.

Akira said she wanted oyakodon, that is, fuck Ayako and Asuka together. Ayako said "Don't ever look at Asuka in that way." Then, in a 3d panel, she added: "I don't really mind if it's me, though." What is she referring to, the "look" from 1 panel before or the "fuck" from 2 panels before?

But If Ayako and Akira already used to be in casual sexual relationship wasn’t mentioning that Ayako was okay with it completely excessive? And also why Akira so surprised by that line then?

I can give you a list of tropes from TVtropes that can be found here, if you want.

Please do. I'm genuinely interested in knowing.

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I think this is Taiyaki trolling us again. Miyuki didn't kiss Asuka here, just pretended to do so to incite jealousy in Ayako lol.