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joined Oct 20, 2017

Nevri posted:
Popular media focus 90% on love. Music, books, movies, TV shows, almost everything is about love or have love in it. And even then, just looking around you. Your family, your friends, your neighbors, your coworkers, famous people. How many of them are in polyamorous relationships? Or expressed loving 2 or more people at the same time and willing to be in relationship with all of them? Not many I can imagine. At no point I tried to say people like that don't exist, but if we're going by what is the most common thing to happen, then majority of people expect relationship to happen between 2 people. Whatever it make sense or is practical, idea of finding the one love and spending entire life with them is the most ingrained one and held as base line. Even if you like 2 people, you're expected to choose only 1 and focus on them. It is presented so strong in our culture, saying it isn't in human nature is being dishonest. And all of this is beside the point anyway.

What I was referring to was, that whatever or not something like what matsuri_wins was suggesting was possible in real life, didn't matter. Fiction is nowhere near as flexible as real life most of the time. People write stories to appeal to as many people as possible and follow things that are common and expected. And sadly what is most common and expected in romance genre is that only 2 characters will get together. Trying to write story about someone pursuing 2 people at once, conscious or not, is just not something you normally write. You can twist a formula for sure, but I have hard time believing any editor would see it as good idea. They are trying to make money, not write good stories after all. The point is it being just straight romance (or angst) makes more sense narratively, when you try to sell a book. As I said, if it was real life, I would be actually be more inclined to believe it, because real live stories are way more surprising than anything fiction can ever come up with. It's ironic that fiction is trying to imitate real life, but at the same time is much more predictable and structured than real life ever is. Of course author can still surprise me and prove me wrong, but considering fiction as a whole, I think they will rather stick to what was already proved to be safe bet.

The fact sentence "They are trying to make money, not write good stories after all." is true and I had to write it, made me feel so sad

Where we disagree here is the causality. I believe that the reason polyamory isn't more common in real life or fiction, is because of certain hierarchical systems that frame certain types of relationships as more valid than others. Namely, the type of romantic and sexual relationship that is on top is a marriage between one man and one woman, who also have kids. This means relationships that don't fit into this box are exotic, strange, a gross fetish, a hot fetish, taboo, invalid, a sin, or "it just makes me feel weird, man". From what you said, you know this very well yourself.

So these inferior types of relationships include polyamory, and sapphic love as well. People said and say many things about lesbians too, for instance. They're not really like that, they're broken, they just hate men, they're an insignificant anomaly, they prey on straight women etc. But none of that is true. So why shouldn't we take the kneejerk reaction to polyamory under similar level of scrutiny? Especially if it's not inherently harmful to the people who participate in it.

I don't really like human nature arguments because they're always so vague and imply that there's some weird essential coding in people that they just can't go against no matter how hard they try. I find that really depressing. Not to mention that they are usually used to end conversations. It's almost like saying "shit happens" or "it is what it is" when discussing why something is the way it is.

Anyways, I think we may have misunderstood each other early on. I wasn't really asking why polyamory isn't more common in fiction, as in "please explain", but rather to express my dissatisfaction. "There should be more of it, damn it". Just like you said, real life is often more interesting than what most fiction would tell us. Not to get all personal, but just for the sake of fun I'll admit that I often like to imagine myself as one of three girlfriends in a very equal triad. Fiction is a pretty useful tool for all of us as it can help us articulate desires, which is one of the reasons why fiction that focuses on people and relationships that aren't focused on normally is something I believe is so important.

(Also, just as a side note, I'm a girl. Didn't know where else to put this part.)

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Claiming any of that has anything to do with "human nature" is pretty much bullshit anyway if you look at how common multi-partner maritial arrangements have historically been - to speak nothing of what people only too often get up to on the side. (Most "monogamous" animals are terribly unfaithful too FWIW, though there are exceptions.)

That's attempting to "biologize" sociocultural norms and has the pungent whiff of vulgar reductionism about it.

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joined Jun 28, 2012

Claiming any of that has anything to do with "human nature" is pretty much bullshit anyway if you look at how common multi-partner maritial arrangements have historically been - to speak nothing of what people only too often get up to on the side. (Most "monogamous" animals are terribly unfaithful too FWIW, though there are exceptions.)

That's attempting to "biologize" sociocultural norms and has the pungent whiff of vulgar reductionism about it.

Not to mention evo-psych, which is basically sciency-sounding nonsense.

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joined Feb 18, 2018

"My Unrequited Manga Chapter". I mean, what's taking the author so long to put us out of our collective misery regarding this story?

Shithead
joined Oct 23, 2018

THEY BETTER FUCK IN THE NEXT CHAPTER OR I'M DROPPING

THEY BETTER FUCK IN THE NEXT CHAPTER OR I'M DROPPING

and not just once

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joined Oct 1, 2018

idk why some of you are complaining when the title is already describing the story and the story so far is still compliant to the title

i actually enjoyed the angst very much
too many stories where the characters quickly fall in love towards each other and quickly be together, so for once I'm glad we get a serial (not just one shot) that isn't having that cliche
and it's actually quite realistic

either you take it or leave it, stop with the negative comments please, you are reading it for free anyway

but yeah I guess you better go now since you probably will be on rage later if not happy ending

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joined Jul 29, 2017

idk why some of you are complaining when the title is already describing the story and the story so far is still compliant to the title

i actually enjoyed the angst very much
too many stories where the characters quickly fall in love towards each other and quickly be together, so for once I'm glad we get a serial (not just one shot) that isn't having that cliche
and it's actually quite realistic

either you take it or leave it, stop with the negative comments please, you are reading it for free anyway

but yeah I guess you better go now since you probably will be on rage later if not happy ending

This was an incredibly incoherent post. Most of the negative comments here (the substantive ones, anyway) have absolutely nothing to do with whether the two characters will end up falling in love or not. The major complaints have been about the erratic development of the plot points, the lack of focus in the arcs, and the inconsistent characterizations.

The problem isn’t that the main characters aren’t getting together fast enough, or that they may not get together at all—the problem is that, for whatever reason (maybe even editorial interference), the manga doesn’t seem to know what story it’s trying to tell.

Maybe you should try reading and comprehending what the negative comments are actually saying before you presume to order people to stop making them.

The%20witch's%20house
joined Apr 9, 2015

Nooooooooo

Jk, I still have high hopes for a good end. This is just the drama that comes before that

Gg
joined Jul 13, 2018

"My Unrequited Manga Chapter". I mean, what's taking the author so long to put us out of our collective misery regarding this story?

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joined Feb 23, 2016

Omg i’m dead the credit page man...

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joined Jul 29, 2017

"My Unrequited Manga Chapter". I mean, what's taking the author so long to put us out of our collective misery regarding this story?

Sometimes I get the feeling that this author would really rather be doing an SOL featuring Kuroe & Co. instead of the storyline this is supposedly about.

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That's one big-ass blanket

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

This author is queen of cliffhangers at least.

I jumped off the Angst train for a bit to focus on other things, but I think it's appropiate to return with this one. The last chapters did seem to focus more on side-characters, but that is honestly a breath of fresh air (and that's coming from someone who hasn't read this in a while). Kuroe is pretty hilarious and their "relationship troubles" feel very light-hearted.

As for our resident token "slut", welp, apparently traumatic experiences lead to inverted iris/pupils. I've seen this type before in real life actually (not the eyes). A broken heart can be filled with many things temporarily, from ice-cream to sex. She is completely aware of it though, so my sympathy is limited. She chooses to run away after all.

Uta... oh poor Uta. Going for the most extreme approach to sever it uncleanly will never work out, but I guess everyone knows that. If she really goes to her mom's place and changes schools this will throw her even more off-balance.
If this wasn't drama, but rather a logical story, the next step is rather clear. Kaoru should tell her straight to the point that it won't work and she doesn't feel that way about her. The end. Closure for everyone. Maybe even room to keep Monster-mom from taking her away.
Buuuuut, as Miyabi just gave her some special advice, Uta seems to now want to give more "direct" proof of her feelings. Because she still assumes Kaoru didn't get it. This will undoubtedly lead to a huge mistake that will interfere with Kaoru's rejection.

There is basically a 0.1% possibility of things getting resolved next chapter and I mean that in any fashion, including just the rejection.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

If this wasn't drama, but rather a logical story, the next step is rather clear. Kaoru should tell her straight to the point that it won't work and she doesn't feel that way about her.

Kaoru telling anybody anything “straight to the point” would be a new development in this series.

She could practice for her rejection of Uta by telling her husband, “I saw you with another woman when you supposedly were out of town on business.”

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

If this wasn't drama, but rather a logical story, the next step is rather clear. Kaoru should tell her straight to the point that it won't work and she doesn't feel that way about her.

Kaoru telling anybody anything “straight to the point” would be a new development in this series.

She could practice for her rejection of Uta by telling her husband, “I saw you with another woman when you supposedly were out of town on business.”

Therein lies the issue, huh? Both of these decisions bear the potential of rejection that she doesn't want to to confront. Uta is just an outlet, so cutting her off is best for her, but Kaoru tends to have a hard time with letting things go. Clingy doesn't even begin to describe her haha

I honestly don't see a "good" outcome for this story at this point. The rule of the lesser evil applies already. We may hope that everyone gets out of it mostly unscathed, but that's about it. Something's gotta give and I'm pretty sure it won't be reality this time.

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joined Jun 4, 2015

Uta's problem aside, I'm curious about her could be cheating husband. It feels like it's been glossed over with her having go to back with her mother a bit it feels like

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joined Oct 1, 2018

idk why some of you are complaining when the title is already describing the story and the story so far is still compliant to the title

i actually enjoyed the angst very much
too many stories where the characters quickly fall in love towards each other and quickly be together, so for once I'm glad we get a serial (not just one shot) that isn't having that cliche
and it's actually quite realistic

either you take it or leave it, stop with the negative comments please, you are reading it for free anyway

but yeah I guess you better go now since you probably will be on rage later if not happy ending

This was an incredibly incoherent post. Most of the negative comments here (the substantive ones, anyway) have absolutely nothing to do with whether the two characters will end up falling in love or not. The major complaints have been about the erratic development of the plot points, the lack of focus in the arcs, and the inconsistent characterizations.

The problem isn’t that the main characters aren’t getting together fast enough, or that they may not get together at all—the problem is that, for whatever reason (maybe even editorial interference), the manga doesn’t seem to know what story it’s trying to tell.

Maybe you should try reading and comprehending what the negative comments are actually saying before you presume to order people to stop making them.

"the manga doesn’t seem to know what story it’s trying to tell?"
then why do I know what its trying to convey

just because a manga has a slow pace or trying to tell side characters stories doesn't mean it's bad. I think the plot is more trying to depict just like its title, and to me the pace is realistic too

to me everything happened to the side characters in this manga (even at when they told their past) helped and shaped main characters thoughts, to reach their conclusion/resolution to address their problems, so nope, it's not unfocused nor erratic development at all to me
(those who said otherwise probably just didn't realize this)

man, if it's fast development and has time skip y'all will complain it's too short or too fast and not depicting character inner feelings and development properly

so it's not my fault if I conclude people will always complains about something

either you take it or leave it

not every story is made for everyone liking

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joined Nov 8, 2017

Kuroe the blanket monster

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"the manga doesn’t seem to know what story it’s trying to tell?"
then why do I know what its trying to convey

just because a manga has a slow pace or trying to tell side characters stories doesn't mean it's bad. I think the plot is more trying to depict just like its title, and to me the pace is realistic too

to me everything happened to the side characters in this manga (even at when they told their past) helped and shaped main characters thoughts, to reach their conclusion/resolution to address their problems, so nope, it's not unfocused nor erratic development at all to me
(those who said otherwise probably just didn't realize this)

man, if it's fast development and has time skip y'all will complain it's too short or too fast and not depicting character inner feelings and development properly

so it's not my fault if I conclude people will always complains about something

It’s perfectly fine if you like it, and, like anybody else, you’re welcome to say why you like it at any length you want.

But when you project about what other people feel or make assertions about why they say the things they do while ignoring what they actually say in favor of what you make up in your head, and then tell them not to do it, don’t expect anyone to obey your commands.

Mina_run
joined Apr 16, 2018

A little biting never hurt anyone.

joined Jul 26, 2016

Kuroe the blanket monster

"If it fits, I sits"

joined Dec 18, 2018

"My Unrequited Manga Chapter". I mean, what's taking the author so long to put us out of our collective misery regarding this story?

Sometimes I get the feeling that this author would really rather be doing an SOL featuring Kuroe & Co. instead of the storyline this is supposedly about.

Yeah absolutely, I have the same feeling. I have no idea what the storyline is supposed to be about at this point. I really liked this manga in its first few chapters that only really centered around Kaoru and Uta's relationship, which were actually about Uta's unrequited love. I just don't really find any of the other relationships in this manga compelling, especially when Uta and Kaoru have been basically placed on pause and there's this really depressing air of defeat around their relationship. And that's different from angst, I think. Like, how can I be convinced that Uta is longing for Kaoru when every other chapter is about this secondary world built around Kuroe, and Uta's just sort of standing around?

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joined Jul 29, 2017

"My Unrequited Manga Chapter". I mean, what's taking the author so long to put us out of our collective misery regarding this story?

Sometimes I get the feeling that this author would really rather be doing an SOL featuring Kuroe & Co. instead of the storyline this is supposedly about.

Yeah absolutely, I have the same feeling. I have no idea what the storyline is supposed to be about at this point. I really liked this manga in its first few chapters that only really centered around Kaoru and Uta's relationship, which were actually about Uta's unrequited love. I just don't really find any of the other relationships in this manga compelling, especially when Uta and Kaoru have been basically placed on pause and there's this really depressing air of defeat around their relationship. And that's different from angst, I think. Like, how can I be convinced that Uta is longing for Kaoru when every other chapter is about this secondary world built around Kuroe, and Uta's just sort of standing around?

A number of people have pointed out the comparison with Life With My Brother’s Wife, which has a great many similarities in the set-up with this series. That’s a story which certainly is not “progressing” any faster than this one, it’s got a fair number of side characters, and it probably is even more unlikely to end up with the two MCs in a romantic relationship. But it also seems to have considerably more focus and a sense of its own direction, even though readers don’t really know what that direction ultimately will be.

I wouldn’t necessarily dislike that hypothetical SOL about Kuroe, etc. But here it’s like Uta goes to hang out in a different story because not much is going on in the one at home.

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joined Feb 18, 2018

Yeah absolutely, I have the same feeling. I have no idea what the storyline is supposed to be about at this point. I really liked this manga in its first few chapters that only really centered around Kaoru and Uta's relationship, which were actually about Uta's unrequited love. I just don't really find any of the other relationships in this manga compelling, especially when Uta and Kaoru have been basically placed on pause and there's this really depressing air of defeat around their relationship. And that's different from angst, I think. Like, how can I be convinced that Uta is longing for Kaoru when every other chapter is about this secondary world built around Kuroe, and Uta's just sort of standing around?

If in the end, this entire story about Kuroe makes sense it will be incredible. Like...is any of these girls other than Kaoru, the one Uta will end up with? Lol why are they in this story?? I don't get it.

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