I guess it's time to bring all the doujins with faceless males raping girls from yuri series to Dynasty then.
Because the concept of quality of derivative works doesn't actually exist right?

What you describe isn't yuri, this one is. Dynasty is yuri centered so faceless men doujins won't be uploaded here. Not because they're bad or anything, but because they're not what this site is about. I don't think anyone should be in a position to mandate what porn or lewd stories or whatever people like reading.

If you find the quality not to your tastes you should just ignore it. Others might like it. As such, you not liking it is no grounds for having it deleted from the site.

How about we started minding our own business for a change. Would solve many problems.

Here comes the delusional libertarian...

• "I don't think anyone should be in a position to mandate what porn or lewd stories or whatever people like reading. " Except that is exactly what is going on in this site... the staff decides what it considers to be good/acceptable and what isn't on a daily basis. Did you also know that original non-character garbage is not well seen at official series events? Fans don't want to go to an event and see their series shitted on.

-"What you describe isn't yuri, this one is."
Funny, I don't see the yuri tag.

-"If you find the quality not to your tastes you should just ignore it. Others might like it. As such, you not liking it is no grounds for having it deleted from the site."
This isn't about what me or you like or don't like, nor is it about deleting anything. It's about how inconsistent the community (dynasty's and in general) are when it comes to quality. And by this, I obviously mean the recurring double standard of "hetero is bad on principle, everything that is yuri is good".

Don't understand the shitstorm about this doujin.

While it's a bit depressing, because You is down and lost her virginity to a random faceless (but nice) woman, overall it's quite good.

There's no indication of transgender or futanari, so I don't understand where it comes from. Only from the author's twitter? From previous works? The position in the sex scene? The sentence "you let it all out"?

The woman seem to expect a woman ("Girl in the cap"),though it could be a problem with translation, and if she has a dick, doesn't seem surprised. But then, there are boobs. So I suppose in that setting, girls with dicks are ordinary?

So, without the tags, I would never have guessed there was a dick somewhere. Only two girls having a one night stand in a love hotel.

On its own, without the politics and drama-llamas above involved, this doujin is quite nice. I love the way Pito draws girls (I'm a sucker for tomboys), just not a fan of his storytelling in My Joy or Her Pet.

At least, he's a yuri fan. He needs a co-author.

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double standard of "hetero is bad on principle, everything that is yuri is good"

What do you mean double? Hetero is bad, I hate it. I don't have hetero friends, I don't talk to my relatives, I only have social relationships with lesbians and I feel great about it. Well, some guys and girls out there are hetero, I might ask for a tissue from them and would give one if being asked, nothing more. What's so double standart about my hate to hetero?

Although I do agree with you - this doujin is piece of shit. Well drawn, but disgusting.

I actually expected the ending where that girl gets a face.

Futanari is Hermaphrodite, and Transgender is clearly not Hermaphrodite. Putting both tag together is like putting het and yuri tag together imo.

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double standard of "hetero is bad on principle, everything that is yuri is good"

What do you mean double? Hetero is bad, I hate it. I don't have hetero friends, I don't talk to my relatives, I only have social relationships with lesbians and I feel great about it. Well, some guys and girls out there are hetero, I might ask for a tissue from them and would give one if being asked, nothing more. What's so double standart about my hate to hetero?

Although I do agree with you - this doujin is piece of shit. Well drawn, but disgusting.

"Hetero work A" and "Yuri work B "having the exact same content aside from character's genders. "Work A" is seen as bad/unacceptable while "work B" is seen as good/acceptable SOLELY based on one being hetero and the other being yuri.
Since you've deemed everything that is hetero bad, you're like the embodiment of this double standard lmao.
Homosexual and Heterosexual people aren't inherently good/bad because of their sexual orientation.

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Homosexual and Heterosexual people aren't inherently good/bad because of their sexual orientation.

Weeeeeell, I don't think so, really. I'm not going to explain my views, because it's useless flood, but I don't have any double standarts. Or you just don't understand the meaning of this expression.

Homosexual and Heterosexual people aren't inherently good/bad because of their sexual orientation.

Weeeeeell, I don't think so, really. I'm not going to explain my views, because it's useless flood, but I don't have any double standarts. Or you just don't understand the meaning of this expression.

"I judge people based solely on their sexual orientation."
"I can judge situations fairly without looking at each part's sexual orientation."

This is very hard to believe, but I'll believe it anyway because there is no point in denying it. When I mention double standards, I obviously mean the people that think "...B-But it's fine if it's yuri!" and not every single person in the community.

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

You're wrong. Even IF you were right, that's ad hominem. Please stop.

But remember, you and everyone else, that all I'm saying is that "Character A is being depicted doing things that were never implied in the original and those things are of a morally questionable nature"

This has nothing to do with slut shaming, it's about portraying a character and a series as something that they aren't. It's also about quality standards (dynasty's).
Don't bring morality to this discussion please.

Yeah...def not trolling...

Again, please stop trying to make this about slut shaming. I never stated my position regarding it and it's not even the core of my argument. You can't deny that it is morally questionable (and by this I mean to some people, not necessarily me or you) and completely unrelated to the character in question.

Also stop baselessly accusing me of trolling, if you can't counterargue properly at least don't shitpost.

When not on this site, I specifically look for all my futanari content to HAVE to have the yuri tag, so i get either a futanari (which from my experience, have all identified as female) and a female, or two futanari. Otherwise I might get futanari and male, which, as a lesbian, is not really my cup of tea. So I think it makes sense to tag yuri along with futanari so we know when it contains relations between female identifying people versus het futa. People that don't like transgender or futanari can just be like, "oh a yuri, but it has a tag I don't like so I guess I won't read it." It's not that difficult

Uhh...anyway, I liked it. Faceless office lady was nice. The First time isn't always as colorful and special as you might have expected it. And she even seems to be looking forward to another meeting, so it might develop into something.

I don't care if characters are futa or trans or "the usual". I just saw two women beeing together. Not sure why people always have to make a big deal about body parts or skin color.

Love Live Sunshine Girls: Even gayer and angstier than the last batch.

Homosexual and Heterosexual people aren't inherently good/bad because of their sexual orientation.

Weeeeeell, I don't think so, really. I'm not going to explain my views, because it's useless flood, but I don't have any double standarts. Or you just don't understand the meaning of this expression.

"I judge people based solely on their sexual orientation."
"I can judge situations fairly without looking at each part's sexual orientation."

This is very hard to believe, but I'll believe it anyway because there is no point in denying it. When I mention double standards, I obviously mean the people that think "...B-But it's fine if it's yuri!" and not every single person in the community.

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

You're wrong. Even IF you were right, that's ad hominem. Please stop.

But remember, you and everyone else, that all I'm saying is that "Character A is being depicted doing things that were never implied in the original and those things are of a morally questionable nature"

This has nothing to do with slut shaming, it's about portraying a character and a series as something that they aren't. It's also about quality standards (dynasty's).
Don't bring morality to this discussion please.

Yeah...def not trolling...

Again, please stop trying to make this about slut shaming. I never stated my position regarding it and it's not even the core of my argument. You can't deny that it is morally questionable (and by this I mean to some people, not necessarily me or you) and completely unrelated to the character in question.

Also stop baselessly accusing me of trolling, if you can't counterargue properly at least don't shitpost.

Look, the thing is you are going on a rant about how this work in particular portrays You doing things that she wouldn't do in the somewhat accepted Canon of Love Live Sunshine, and that, because of that, it's disgusting and offensive and whatnot.

See, that's the beauty of fanwork: it doesn't have to BE whatever the source material wanted it to be. You are supposed to judge fanwork for it's own merits, not because of how accurate it is to it's source material.

What I'm saying here is that you have this attitude of "this is bad and you should FEEL bad" about the way You is portrayed on this comic, and you are entitled to your opinion, of course. But it's only that: your opinion. Don't pretend to go on a crusade to tell Dynasty forums what is and what is not appropriate to post, just based on your opinions. No, wait, I'm sorry. Your "facts"

"Hetero work A" and "Yuri work B "having the exact same content aside from character's genders. "Work A" is seen as bad/unacceptable while "work B" is seen as good/acceptable SOLELY based on one being hetero and the other being yuri.

Well of course. Fans of yuri work will usually rate stories with yuri content higher then the ones without.

Aka I'm imagining your favorite story on here as love between trans women, the horror.

You just wrote the best post in this thread, love.

Aka I'm imagining your favorite story on here as love between trans women, the horror.

You just wrote the best post in this thread, love.

Hats off to you, person

Homosexual and Heterosexual people aren't inherently good/bad because of their sexual orientation.

Weeeeeell, I don't think so, really. I'm not going to explain my views, because it's useless flood, but I don't have any double standarts. Or you just don't understand the meaning of this expression.

"I judge people based solely on their sexual orientation."
"I can judge situations fairly without looking at each part's sexual orientation."

This is very hard to believe, but I'll believe it anyway because there is no point in denying it. When I mention double standards, I obviously mean the people that think "...B-But it's fine if it's yuri!" and not every single person in the community.

Minutoh don't argue with him, it is our dynasty Troll-kun next alternative account. There is no reasoning with this guy.

You're wrong. Even IF you were right, that's ad hominem. Please stop.

But remember, you and everyone else, that all I'm saying is that "Character A is being depicted doing things that were never implied in the original and those things are of a morally questionable nature"

This has nothing to do with slut shaming, it's about portraying a character and a series as something that they aren't. It's also about quality standards (dynasty's).
Don't bring morality to this discussion please.

Yeah...def not trolling...

Again, please stop trying to make this about slut shaming. I never stated my position regarding it and it's not even the core of my argument. You can't deny that it is morally questionable (and by this I mean to some people, not necessarily me or you) and completely unrelated to the character in question.

Also stop baselessly accusing me of trolling, if you can't counterargue properly at least don't shitpost.

Look, the thing is you are going on a rant about how this work in particular portrays You doing things that she wouldn't do in the somewhat accepted Canon of Love Live Sunshine, and that, because of that, it's disgusting and offensive and whatnot.

See, that's the beauty of fanwork: it doesn't have to BE whatever the source material wanted it to be. You are supposed to judge fanwork for it's own merits, not because of how accurate it is to it's source material.

What I'm saying here is that you have this attitude of "this is bad and you should FEEL bad" about the way You is portrayed on this comic, and you are entitled to your opinion, of course. But it's only that: your opinion. Don't pretend to go on a crusade to tell Dynasty forums what is and what is not appropriate to post, just based on your opinions. No, wait, I'm sorry. Your "facts"

And "My "facts"" huh... Because it's not you who is delusional and seeing things that don't exist at all...
OK, then I want you to tell me where in the source material you can find the following:

• Hints that You sleeps with random people
• The name of the faceless girl depicted in this work
• In what episodes does this faceless girl show up
• What kind of relationship this faceless girl has with any of the cast

If what I'm saying is just my opinion and not facts, I'm sure you can do it.
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Of course any rational, non-delusional fan of the series can't find these... ever. This work is worthless as far as a derivative work of LLS. It's that simple. The artist could write the same story but instead of shoehorning their worthless original character that only exists in his mind he could just use one existing character. That's what most yuri artists do, not because of preference but respect for the source material and artistic integrity.

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Nya-chan posted:

Don't understand the shitstorm about this doujin.

While it's a bit depressing, because You is down and lost her virginity to a random faceless (but nice) woman, overall it's quite good.

There's no indication of transgender or futanari, so I don't understand where it comes from. Only from the author's twitter? From previous works? The position in the sex scene? The sentence "you let it all out"?

The woman seem to expect a woman ("Girl in the cap"),though it could be a problem with translation, and if she has a dick, doesn't seem surprised. But then, there are boobs. So I suppose in that setting, girls with dicks are ordinary?

This is a wild guess, but the drunk woman says "Wow you're quite ripped!" I hope they didn't thought that she was trans because of this sentence, canonically is true, she even says so in the app.
So based on on the sex position, the phrase after and the artist previous work and tweet, it is futanari, it doesn't even show nipples so of course it won't show genitalia to be 100% sure. scrhodinger futa

I thought I had started a firestorm in this thread before going to sleep, and thought it was bad enough and couldn't get really much worse after Nez's note. Oh boy, was I wrong. I didn't expect we'd get crack-kun to start another meteor storm over. Sorry, this just went from polemic to silly in one post.

I'm not crack-kun. This also has nothing to do with crack so the comparison doesn't even make sense.
And like I said before, the WHO doesn't matter in an argument, stop with the ad hominem. If you can't counterargue, just shut up and don't post.

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This thread is mostly reminding me how transphobic this site can be.

The problem is people trying very hard to take offense where none was intended. This work was tagged futanari by the author. Tagging it futanari on this site (and not yuri) is perfectly sensible, because it describes the story most accurately.

Realize that 'yuri' is a genre, an established subset of story. It is not the Japanese word for 'lesbians'. Tagging this story futanari and not yuri is in no way a statement about real life trans women's ability to be lesbians, whether they still have their penises or not.

so will be with futanari --> http://sickoo.com/videos/2169/strong-video-where-the-ze/

What a friggin' mess this has turned out to be, wow. A few points from me:

Might as well start by saying that personally, I like the story even though it's a downer. That's one.

Next, despite the author actually saying "futanari" in their tweet, this doesn't come off as a futa story to me. 90% or so of the futa stories I've seen aren't written with transgender people or even fictional characters in mind. They're fetish material about a woman fucking a giant dick with the life support system for a pair of tits attached. It's rare I see anything under the tag that relates to or is respectful towards a trans experience at all. As a trans woman myself, I feel like this is more a Transgender story and thus would co-exist just fine with the Yuri tag. That's two.

The above said, this thread is about the manga Going Off Course and NOT an appropriate place to ride into battle on the subject of futa v. yuri. Go over here if you are so inclined. That's three.

If you don't think the material is respectful to the characters or offends your sensibilities with regard to canon depictions or whatever, and you say so, I respect that. Belabouring the point and dragging it out into long debates is worth considerably less respect and now it's time to move on. That's four.

There's my personal position at the moment. It could please me if people would let the other issues drop and walk away from a melee that's really not making anyone look good, and focus on commenting on the manga itself, please.

This is a wild guess, but the drunk woman says "Wow you're quite ripped!" I hope they didn't thought that she was trans because of this sentence, canonically is true, she even says so in the app.

Nah, Pito just likes buff You. That didn't factor into it at all. She's just a fit girl.

Arguments about tagging aside, I definitely like this world where tipsy women are randomly flirting with cute girls on the street and the only objection raised is "she looks a bit young, doesn't she?" The fact that she apparently has a dick being less noteworthy than her killer abs is also A++

Arguments about tagging aside, I definitely like this world where tipsy women are randomly flirting with cute girls on the street and the only objection raised is "she looks a bit young, doesn't she?" The fact that she apparently has a dick being less noteworthy than her killer abs is also A++

What a great world that would be live in, where do I sign up?

I just made a valid and objective criticism about this work's nature. I'm not responsible for people not accepting facts (character sleeps with random person, random person isn't an LLS character), being strangely defensive about it or attacking my person without actually debunking it.

I'll shut up now.