But on the flip side, Keiko does not seem to be the person who would necessarily need the kid to be her own...she could adopt just any cute child and she'd be happy.

Yeah adopting...

I know there used to be the whole "the gays r bad 4 chldrn" mentality right now but same-sex partnerships is legal in a municipality in Tokyo now.

So there's definitely a LOT of loopholes one could use.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32130599

"Not legally binding" Meaning it's a feel good piece of paper at the moment.

I'm fairly certain there is no reliable, sure and safe way for lesbian couples to have children in Japan at the moment. They can only look for the future and hope it won't be too late for them.

So there's definitely a LOT of loopholes one could use.

Marriage in one municipality (which the country's government definitely does not like) is still a long way from adoption rights. There's still a long battle ahead, we may not even see the end in our lifetime.

I know a bit of law from my extended family...basically if you hire the right lawyer and play your cards right it is more than possible. Not guaranteed obviously by any means, but if Keiko adopts a kid and then just "happens to be in the same room as an old kouhai as she has for a while"...it wouldn't garner any legal action unless a very pissed-off and nosy douchenozzle whined a lot.

Of course, all speculation.

And I think it's a bit pessimistic to think that we won't see the end in our lifetime, if by end you mean "full LGBTQIA" rights and not "no more discrimination". I live in a part of the US that is 15 minutes outside of a country town that waves confederate flags...discrimination will always be around unfortunately. History has patterns and unless you plan on dying in the next 20 years (which is also pessimistic), it seems large actions in the right direction are in store for the first world.

And I think it's a bit pessimistic to think that we won't see the end in our lifetime, if by end you mean "full LGBTQIA" rights and not "no more discrimination". I live in a part of the US that is 15 minutes outside of a country town that waves confederate flags...discrimination will always be around unfortunately. History has patterns and unless you plan on dying in the next 20 years (which is also pessimistic), it seems large actions in the right direction are in store for the first world.

Oh, sweet summer child. It's been 46 years since Stonewall, and we still have civilized countries like Canada who hesitate on considering trans people fully human based on the idea they might be dangerous in public washrooms. Advanced countries like the US are just barely getting marriage rights in place for gays and lesbians, and even now it's a roll of the die whether the Supreme Court's going to go for it or not. We've got one municipality in Japan with a piece of paper that's not legally binding in any way, surrounded by a deeply conservative country.

It's a fight we'll win, but you've got to accept it's a long fight. A very long one, measured in terms of generations. That's been going on for longer than the almost half century since the current movement started. Yes, we're making progress, but we're not even halfway there yet.

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Oh, sweet summer child. It's been 46 years since Stonewall, and we still have civilized countries like Canada who hesitate on considering trans people fully human based on the idea they might be dangerous in public washrooms. Advanced countries like the US are just barely getting marriage rights in place for gays and lesbians, and even now it's a roll of the die whether the Supreme Court's going to go for it or not. We've got one municipality in Japan with a piece of paper that's not legally binding in any way, surrounded by a deeply conservative country.

These issues would of been adressed if not for Harper and his party being there for who knows how long atthis point, all I know is that it's been a while now.

Good ol' bathroom issue. I never got the idea of that for transgender. Gay men can access my bathrooms and since they are into dicks and all, surely they're a danger to me!
Then you go a step further with unisex bathroom and you unlock the biggest can of worms ever.

It's a fight we'll win, but you've got to accept it's a long fight. A very long one, measured in terms of generations. That's been going on for longer than the almost half century since the current movement started. Yes, we're making progress, but we're not even halfway there yet.

There're a bunch of European countries that made same-sex marriage legal, on par with het marriage, with the same rights and benefits, and even possible adoption. On top of my head, UK, Spain and the biggest one yet, France. Probably because at the time it came up, the governement of these countries pushed in that direction, despite the vocal opposition of a minority.

I think most "civilized" societies are ready for it, but the average het people won't cast their vote because of that issue, but rather because of economic concerns. For it to happen, there need to be a political will, or nothing will happen.

So, a Japanese lesbian couple could perfectly marry in France for example and adopt children there (though their marriage would not be recognized in Japan, yet).

It's a fight we'll win, but you've got to accept it's a long fight. A very long one, measured in terms of generations. That's been going on for longer than the almost half century since the current movement started. Yes, we're making progress, but we're not even halfway there yet.

There're a bunch of European countries that made same-sex marriage legal, on par with het marriage, with the same rights and benefits, and even possible adoption. On top of my head, UK, Spain and the biggest one yet, France. Probably because at the time it came up, the governement of these countries pushed in that direction, despite the vocal opposition of a minority.

I think most "civilized" societies are ready for it, but the average het people won't cast their vote because of that issue, but rather because of economic concerns. For it to happen, there need to be a political will, or nothing will happen.

So, a Japanese lesbian couple could perfectly marry in France for example and adopt children there (though their marriage would not be recognized in Japan, yet).

States that allow same-sex marriage for further reference:

In Europe: Finland, Sweden, Norway, France, Netherlands, Spain, England, Wales, and Scotland but not Northern Ireland, Belgium, Iceland, Portugal, Denmark

The Americas: Canada, Brazil, Uruguay, Some states of the US and Mexico, Argentina

Everywhere else: South Africa, New Zealand.

According to census, the three most accepting countries the LGBT people are the Netherlands, Canada and Iceland.

Its amusing how you mention France like their legalizing of same sex marriage is somehow a permanent thing. Currently there is still heavy opposition to the idea from the far right and the Muslim communities and former President Sarkozy plans to take advantage of this to get reelected in 2017 by promising to nullify all existing gay marriages, something that seems more and more likely as people, even long time left wing supporters, abandon current President Hollande due to several controversial policies. Amusingly, polls show that most people in France do support equal rights for same sex couples but it seems people are more concerned with getting rid of Hollande and replacing him with any else at this point, even if same sex marriage has to be sacrificed to do so. Let's just hope they elect someone other than Sarkozy.

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Its amusing how you mention France like their legalizing of same sex marriage is somehow a permanent thing. Currently there is still heavy opposition to the idea from the far right and the Muslim communities and former President Sarkozy plans to take advantage of this to get reelected in 2017 by promising to nullify all existing gay marriages, something that seems more and more likely as people, even long time left wing supporters, abandon current President Hollande due to several controversial policies. Amusingly, polls show that most people in France do support equal rights for same sex couples but it seems people are more concerned with getting rid of Hollande and replacing him with any else at this point, even if same sex marriage has to be sacrificed to do so. Let's just hope they elect someone other than Sarkozy.

I saw that last bit pre-edit! I know it's not the best place to say this but I don't think voting for XYZ for a single social issue is the best thing. I view it as an extremely poor decision, governance is so much more impactful than that.

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/stretch_volume_1_extra#10
^ Ya mean I can stretch and be lazy at the same time? I learned something valuable today.

Its amusing how you mention France like their legalizing of same sex marriage is somehow a permanent thing. Currently there is still heavy opposition to the idea from the far right and the Muslim communities and former President Sarkozy plans to take advantage of this to get reelected in 2017 by promising to nullify all existing gay marriages

It's very unlikely they nullify anything. You can't "unmarry" people that aren't willing to do so. That man is just paying lip service to some of the most conservatives, but it would be extremely difficult to reverse same-sex marriage. Worst thing that could happen I think is they make a law forbidding same sex couples to raises children. And even that is unlikely and impossible to enforce. France is still a democracy, with a constitution.

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Heuheuheu...page 4 of the extra can easily be misconstrued... just sayin...

Or am I the only one whose mind went there??

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H-huge...
http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/stretch_volume_1_extra#8

"stretch naked" good idea

So many of these pages was Shou ship teasing. Why are you so mean to me?

Well I counted and it's three, but that's enough to irritate me.

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So many of these pages was Shou ship teasing. Why are you so mean to me?

Well I counted and it's three, but that's enough to irritate me.

What do you mean, they've been teasing us much longer.

Also: loved the tips, specially #3, #6 and #7. Will try to implement 'em ASAP.

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What do you mean, they've been teasing us much longer.

Yes he has, but it still hurts being teased so much. And it felt like a bunch of more overt teasing (seriously, the 'I'm not stretching with you today' with Ran looking so happy at Keiko's knee...) in a fairly short time. some of these just felt like more than usual. but that might just be my eagerness.

*Some of the teasing felt less in-universe joking as usual, and more winks at the readers here.

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What do you mean, they've been teasing us much longer.

Yes he has, but it still hurts being teased so much. And it felt like a bunch of more overt teasing (seriously, the 'I'm not stretching with you today' with Ran looking so happy at Keiko's knee...) in a fairly short time. some of these just felt like more than usual. but that might just be my eagerness.

More teasing means a sweeter release XD

unless there's no release, obviously

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http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/stretch_volume_1_extra#6

We know that Ran is regularly spanked by Keiko and loves it... don't need anything else to know what kind of relationship these two have V_V

it's hurt to look at Ran's waist, poor thing has to fight the food every seconds :DD

More teasing means a sweeter release XD

unless there's no release

Stretch will be the sweetest release of all, I have faith.

We know that Ran is regularly spanked by Keiko and loves it... don't need anything else to know what kind of relationship these two have V_V

Favourite part of the manga thus far.

"we're gonna do it now!"
Totally taking that out of context.

Its amusing how you mention France like their legalizing of same sex marriage is somehow a permanent thing. Currently there is still heavy opposition to the idea from the far right and the Muslim communities and former President Sarkozy plans to take advantage of this to get reelected in 2017 by promising to nullify all existing gay marriages

It's very unlikely they nullify anything. You can't "unmarry" people that aren't willing to do so. That man is just paying lip service to some of the most conservatives, but it would be extremely difficult to reverse same-sex marriage. Worst thing that could happen I think is they make a law forbidding same sex couples to raises children. And even that is unlikely and impossible to enforce. France is still a democracy, with a constitution.

You can very much "unmarry" people whether they want to or not. Marriage is kind of like a legally binding contract. If the government decides said contract is unlawful, they can nullify it. Thus all same sex marriage certificates would become void and same sex couples are no longer eligible for marriage benefits.
You are correct in stating that it wouldn't be quite that easy. This is a democracy after all and as I said before, most French people support same sex marriage, meaning he is unlikely to get his passed but its concerning that he can even run on such a platform and still receive the support he does.

Its amusing how you mention France like their legalizing of same sex marriage is somehow a permanent thing. Currently there is still heavy opposition to the idea from the far right and the Muslim communities and former President Sarkozy plans to take advantage of this to get reelected in 2017 by promising to nullify all existing gay marriages, something that seems more and more likely as people, even long time left wing supporters, abandon current President Hollande due to several controversial policies. Amusingly, polls show that most people in France do support equal rights for same sex couples but it seems people are more concerned with getting rid of Hollande and replacing him with any else at this point, even if same sex marriage has to be sacrificed to do so. Let's just hope they elect someone other than Sarkozy.

I saw that last bit pre-edit! I know it's not the best place to say this but I don't think voting for XYZ for a single social issue is the best thing. I view it as an extremely poor decision, governance is so much more impactful than that.

You are right, I admit, there is more to governance than one issue. I was being too...judgmental, I shouldn't have made such a broad statement. I admit Sarkozy probably has other qualities and he is probably superior to many other candidates but on this particular issue, I think he is a dickhead. Plain and simple.

Anyway, as I mentioned in a another conversation, its unlikely Sarkozy could actually nullify same sex marriages any way. I just find it concerning that he would even consider doing so, even if it was him just trying to secure a few cheap votes.
Now we should probably drop this conversation. Nothing good has ever come out of politics and the internet.

It's a fight we'll win, but you've got to accept it's a long fight. A very long one, measured in terms of generations. That's been going on for longer than the almost half century since the current movement started. Yes, we're making progress, but we're not even halfway there yet.

There're a bunch of European countries that made same-sex marriage legal, on par with het marriage, with the same rights and benefits, and even possible adoption. On top of my head, UK, Spain and the biggest one yet, France. Probably because at the time it came up, the governement of these countries pushed in that direction, despite the vocal opposition of a minority.

I think most "civilized" societies are ready for it, but the average het people won't cast their vote because of that issue, but rather because of economic concerns. For it to happen, there need to be a political will, or nothing will happen.

So, a Japanese lesbian couple could perfectly marry in France for example and adopt children there (though their marriage would not be recognized in Japan, yet).

States that allow same-sex marriage for further reference:

In Europe: Finland, Sweden, Norway, France, Netherlands, Spain, England, Wales, and Scotland but not Northern Ireland, Belgium, Iceland, Portugal, Denmark

The Americas: Canada, Brazil, Uruguay, Some states of the US and Mexico, Argentina

Everywhere else: South Africa, New Zealand.

Hopefully Ireland by the end of the month.

It's a fight we'll win, but you've got to accept it's a long fight. A very long one, measured in terms of generations. That's been going on for longer than the almost half century since the current movement started. Yes, we're making progress, but we're not even halfway there yet.

There're a bunch of European countries that made same-sex marriage legal, on par with het marriage, with the same rights and benefits, and even possible adoption. On top of my head, UK, Spain and the biggest one yet, France. Probably because at the time it came up, the governement of these countries pushed in that direction, despite the vocal opposition of a minority.

I think most "civilized" societies are ready for it, but the average het people won't cast their vote because of that issue, but rather because of economic concerns. For it to happen, there need to be a political will, or nothing will happen.

So, a Japanese lesbian couple could perfectly marry in France for example and adopt children there (though their marriage would not be recognized in Japan, yet).

States that allow same-sex marriage for further reference:

In Europe: Finland, Sweden, Norway, France, Netherlands, Spain, England, Wales, and Scotland but not Northern Ireland, Belgium, Iceland, Portugal, Denmark

The Americas: Canada, Brazil, Uruguay, Some states of the US and Mexico, Argentina

Everywhere else: South Africa, New Zealand.

Hopefully Ireland by the end of the month.

Hopefully. Germany and Switzerland within the year.

Hopefully Ireland by the end of the month.

Hopefully. Germany and Switzerland within the year.

I will cry and probably throw things if it doesn't pass.

So. Fingers crossed anyway.