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joined Aug 21, 2017

I am very glad this series is getting scanlated, based on the chapters released so far it is one of my favorites. If anybody is on the fence, the story and the art both get even better as the series goes on (IMO). In later chapters there are panels where I think the artist is visibly flexing.

Soralaylaff
joined Oct 16, 2013

I love this series. It's SO nice to see a villainess series where it is NOT isekai and the villainess actually kind of keeps some of her bitchy and headstrong personality even after turning over a new leaf. I enjoy the side pairs they're fleshing out right now too. Highly recommended series and I'm glad to see it uploaded here on Dynasty. I have to do a reread of the earlier chapters since this version is a much higher quality translation than what was on Mangadex. Was pleasantly surprised to see you guys redoing the early chapters. Thanks for your hard work!

Beatorokken
joined Feb 23, 2014

Oh shit we're getting a version of this with an actually good translation early on? hell yeah.

Untitled
joined Dec 16, 2014

this looks interesting

Kuroko-railgun
joined Jul 21, 2024

Oh shit we're getting a version of this with an actually good translation early on? hell yeah.

Right!

I’m actually really happy this got uploaded here. I was reading it on another site, but it randomly got a mass update and lost track of which chapter I was on. Now I can start from the beginning here. :)

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joined Apr 27, 2014

I am loving this!!! but....why is the Yandere tag missing, if it's even in the title!!!

amshepherd Uploader
Shepherd's Lost and Found
joined Mar 6, 2023

I am loving this!!! but....why is the Yandere tag missing, if it's even in the title!!!

Whoops. My bad lol

Beatorokken
joined Feb 23, 2014

I will say that this one is weird to me where I don't think I really enjoy the early chapters much and the writing isn't the greatest imo but the more it goes on the more you can feel the author getting better at writing it and currently (most recent chapters elsewhere) it's really enjoyable tbh and it's fun to see that progression in a work.

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I'mma be honest, I don't see where the Yandere behaviour of the MC is coming from.

It doesn't seem to be motivated by her character, her past or her feelings towards the Villainess, and the first chapter seemed to want to imply that the yandere behaviour happens because she's drunk but then she was only drunk one of the times it's happened.

Yandere doesn't just mean crazy it means crazy and obsessive, but so far I'm only seeing the crazy without any real obsession nor motivation to be obsessive. If anything, she doesn't seem to like the Villainess at all and her crazy behaviour looks more like she's just a bit crazy and it happens to manifest in a way that looks affectionate but she's not actually feeling affection. Rather, so far it keeps looking like she honestly just tries to get back at the Villainess for being such a massive bitch rather than having any kind of yandere obsession with her.

Maybe it grows into yandere affection later?

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joined Jul 6, 2020

Hesha reminds me a lot of Nanami from revolutionary girl utena

Irene_&_teresa
joined Jun 12, 2019

Yo!!! Dynasty scans picked up this series?! Yaaasss! I love Hesha and Qiao Lin (Jolene). Their relationship is organic and fleshes out really well later, im happy to see a better translation here. The side couples are good too although for different......(maybe toxic) reasons lol.

For the people questioning the yandere thing, its valid for you to do that. Its shows up now and again, but i think the interpretation of "yandere" expressed by this author with a certain character's actions are different from the mainstream view of how a typical yandere would act or think. Imo, I think the author's view of a "yandere" is a character that appears kind, calm, and level-headed on the outside but they are actually on the inside cold, calculated and cruel and will express/act on that cruelty when it comes things or people they care about or getting something or someone they desire. Either way, this story is dope and ill happily reread this here since the translation is actually good

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Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

This will be a good one.

For the people questioning the yandere thing, its valid for you to do that. Its shows up now and again, but i think the interpretation of "yandere" expressed by this author with a certain character's actions are different from the mainstream view of how a typical yandere would act or think. Imo, I think the author's view of a "yandere" is a character that appears kind, calm, and level-headed on the outside but they are actually on the inside cold, calculated and cruel and will express/act on that cruelty when it comes things or people they care about or getting something or someone they desire. Either way, this story is dope and ill happily reread this here since the translation is actually good

I respect the author's vision, but "yandere" just doesn't mean what they think it means. "Mentally snapping under the weight of impossible expectations of being a culturally-perfect love interest" is not the same as "being a confident young person who breaks restrictive gender norms in a calculated way to advance in life".

So far, in fact, I haven't even seen any particular cruelty from Jolene. She has been merely setting and enforcing her boundaries in ways that are largely proportionate to the respective original violations.

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amshepherd Uploader
Shepherd's Lost and Found
joined Mar 6, 2023

I respect the author's vision, but "yandere" just doesn't mean what they think it means. "Mentally snapping under the weight of impossible expectations of being a culturally-perfect love interest" is not the same as "being a confident young person who breaks restrictive gender norms in a calculated way to advance in life".

So far, in fact, I haven't even seen any particular cruelty from Jolene. She has been merely setting and enforcing her boundaries in ways that are largely proportionate to the respective original violations.

Jolene exhibits more Yandere traits as the story goes on though she’s never really what you’d consider a classic Yandere. There is another character later on that does feel more like a true Yandere (obsessive, manipulative, controlling, etc)

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

I respect the author's vision, but "yandere" just doesn't mean what they think it means. "Mentally snapping under the weight of impossible expectations of being a culturally-perfect love interest" is not the same as "being a confident young person who breaks restrictive gender norms in a calculated way to advance in life".

So far, in fact, I haven't even seen any particular cruelty from Jolene. She has been merely setting and enforcing her boundaries in ways that are largely proportionate to the respective original violations.

Jolene exhibits more Yandere traits as the story goes on though she’s never really what you’d consider a classic Yandere. There is another character later on that does feel more like a true Yandere (obsessive, manipulative, controlling, etc)

Thanks. I will reserve judgement until more chapters have been translated, then. :-)

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Welp seems like the protag at this point is just straight up Dexter-style crazy

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

At this point, Jolene is basically playing Raise-a-Villainess with Hesha by teaching her how to function in society, which nobody in her family has bothered to do so far.

Welp seems like the protag at this point is just straight up Dexter-style crazy

Never watched Dexter, but IMO Jolene has once again been very measured (which is the opposite of crazy) in her response. She used her one advantage (physical capability) to completely shut down Hesha's momentum, then backed off and explained exactly what that retribution was for. Note that Hesha does not carry any ill will against Jolene for biting her, because she seems to have accepted that the bite was a consequence of her own actions. Again, I am not saying that Jolene is not a sociopath, but if she is, she is a very high-functioning one.

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Never watched Dexter, but IMO Jolene has once again been very measured (which is the opposite of crazy) in her response. She used her one advantage (physical capability) to completely shut down Hesha's momentum, then backed off and explained exactly what that retribution was for. Note that Hesha does not carry any ill will against Jolene for biting her, because she seems to have accepted that the bite was a consequence of her own actions. Again, I am not saying that Jolene is not a sociopath, but if she is, she is a very high-functioning one.

A normal person does not bite people just because they're upset at them; if anything, the fact that she felt the impulse to bite her rather than something more mundane like slap her makes it much more abnormal behaviour that most people wouldn't even have considered.

She reads a lot like Dexter is intended to be; a sociopath with violent impulses that they keep in check through adhering to a strict set of rules about what's "proper" both in order to be a functional member of society and so that their violence only comes out towards targets deemed "acceptable."

Specifically, the way she speaks about- and treated "being naughty" towards Hesha implies that she has these thoughts and urges of violence normally, and usually she doesn't act on them because she's come to believe they're "naughty" but in the same way that Dexter has no reservations going after someone who's a "killer" Jolene has no reservations "being naughty" towards someone who has also been "naughty."

So far there's still nothing yandere about her. She has the violent impulses but no obsession, only really targeting Hesha as a reaction to Hesha targeting her rather than having any interest in Hesha herself. Based on what others have mentioned about the series, I don't think the writer knew what a yandere was when they defined her character.

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

Never watched Dexter, but IMO Jolene has once again been very measured (which is the opposite of crazy) in her response. She used her one advantage (physical capability) to completely shut down Hesha's momentum, then backed off and explained exactly what that retribution was for. Note that Hesha does not carry any ill will against Jolene for biting her, because she seems to have accepted that the bite was a consequence of her own actions. Again, I am not saying that Jolene is not a sociopath, but if she is, she is a very high-functioning one.

A normal person does not bite people just because they're upset at them; if anything, the fact that she felt the impulse to bite her rather than something more mundane like slap her makes it much more abnormal behaviour that most people wouldn't even have considered.

She reads a lot like Dexter is intended to be; a sociopath with violent impulses that they keep in check through adhering to a strict set of rules about what's "proper" both in order to be a functional member of society and so that their violence only comes out towards targets deemed "acceptable."

Specifically, the way she speaks about- and treated "being naughty" towards Hesha implies that she has these thoughts and urges of violence normally, and usually she doesn't act on them because she's come to believe they're "naughty" but in the same way that Dexter has no reservations going after someone who's a "killer" Jolene has no reservations "being naughty" towards someone who has also been "naughty."

Yeah, I can agree with all of the above. Still, the amount of self-control you describe, especially if she does have to restrain her "naughty" impulses at all times, is remarkable.

Also, I don't think that a slap would work, since slaps are still part of the regular "courtly" (for lack of a better term) contexts that Hesha is used to. I think Jolene has bitten her not only because of her impulses, but also because a bite would be so far outside Hesha's normal context, it would flip the power dynamic between them on its head instantly, without giving her any chance to respond. What I am saying is, she knows she could make things much, much worse for Hesha, but repeatedly stops herself in order to deescalate, and Hesha is too myopic to realize she is playing with chemical fire.

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Also, I don't think that a slap would work, since slaps are still part of the regular "courtly" (for lack of a better term) contexts that Hesha is used to. I think Jolene has bitten her not only because of her impulses, but also because a bite would be so far outside Hesha's normal context, it would flip the power dynamic between them on its head instantly, without giving her any chance to respond. What I am saying is, she knows she could make things much, much worse for Hesha, but repeatedly stops herself in order to deescalate, and Hesha is too myopic to realize she is playing with chemical fire.

I will say thought that I don't agree with the read that anything she's done has been de-escalatory in nature.
If anything, whenever she "snaps" she seems to just do whatever she wants to do in the moment regardless of the implications or the consequences it could have, and it's nothing short of a miracle things have worked out as "well" for her as they have so far.

Cus like... if I managed to antagonize the local princess who literally owns the city I live in and had to make a list of things to do to try and de-escalate things, physically assaulting her in gradually more extreme ways wouldn't make the list if it was a million entries long. If anything, she's lucky Hesha hasn't just gone to her family and had her hanged for assaulting her the first time.

Remember in Game of Thrones, that one time the king had a peasant boy executed just for lightly tagging the prince with a practice sword while playing?

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

Also, I don't think that a slap would work, since slaps are still part of the regular "courtly" (for lack of a better term) contexts that Hesha is used to. I think Jolene has bitten her not only because of her impulses, but also because a bite would be so far outside Hesha's normal context, it would flip the power dynamic between them on its head instantly, without giving her any chance to respond. What I am saying is, she knows she could make things much, much worse for Hesha, but repeatedly stops herself in order to deescalate, and Hesha is too myopic to realize she is playing with chemical fire.

I will say thought that I don't agree with the read that anything she's done has been de-escalatory in nature.
If anything, whenever she "snaps" she seems to just do whatever she wants to do in the moment regardless of the implications or the consequences it could have, and it's nothing short of a miracle things have worked out as "well" for her as they have so far.

Cus like... if I managed to antagonize the local princess who literally owns the city I live in and had to make a list of things to do to try and de-escalate things, physically assaulting her in gradually more extreme ways wouldn't make the list if it was a million entries long. If anything, she's lucky Hesha hasn't just gone to her family and had her hanged for assaulting her the first time.

That's fair, but it's only luck if you have no idea how the local princess would react to violent actions. On the other hand, Jolene strikes me as someone who is (like a lot of sociopaths, accidentally) pretty good at reading people around her, so she might have picked up on the fact that Hesha is actually not in the position to run to her dad to complain quite early on. This makes her getting away with violence against Hesha twice more of a well-calculated risk than a miracle.

Remember in Game of Thrones, that one time the king had a peasant boy executed just for lightly tagging the prince with a practice sword while playing?

I haven't watched the series and stopped reading the books after the fourth. :)

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Sandra2
joined Mar 22, 2013

I do NOT "respect" the author's depiction of yandere. Sorry, but if a girl fights back against bullying with violence she is not a yandere!! I do like the story and the dynamics between the characters, but this is not a yandere.
She could only be a yandere if she still enjoyes hurting and obsessing over the villain once their relationship is getting deeper. But we haven't seen any signs of that so far. She doesn't even care about vilainess.
When I saw the tag I almost skipped it too!

It's pretty lighthearted, especially the description of the series. And I like that. I just do not appreciate the use of the term "yandere".

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I do NOT "respect" the author's depiction of yandere. Sorry, but if a girl fights back against bullying with violence she is not a yandere!! I do like the story and the dynamics between the characters, but this is not a yandere.
She could only be a yandere if she still enjoyes hurting and obsessing over the villain once their relationship is getting deeper. But we haven't seen any signs of that so far. She doesn't even care about vilainess.
When I saw the tag I almost skipped it too!

It's pretty lighthearted, especially the description of the series. And I like that. I just do not appreciate the use of the term "yandere".

I mean... I agree that the term is inaccurate in this case but it's also not the that big a deal.
It's not like this one story's inaccurate use is going changing the world's perception of the word or anything.

glares at NTR titles, the most inaccurately used term in all of fiction

joined Jul 26, 2024

Yandere is more generally about being mentally unwell while having sweet dere moments. It's a pun on the word for being ill and deredere. Obsession and posessiveness is a common consequence of this, but isn't what yandere means per se. I think no one would question Jolene is "mentally unwell," even if she tries to keep her behavior within certain ethical limits and to respect others' autonomy. The last part makes sense since she resents nobles who treat commoners like property.

I will say I lost interest in this series, despite that I never expected that. It did the thing long running series do where we transition to a cast of a wider characters with different dynamics, at which point there's usually a segment that loses interest. It's no longer about what got them interested in the series, while the tightest, most carefully planned segment of the plot is over.

Another on being translated by Shephard is My Intern Bullied Me Again! that is also like this, but I've enjoyed it more. It maintains the thematic idea of relationships between older and younger coworkers that involve dramatic or over the top elements, but has a lot of variation in what the relationships are like. Nonetheless, people who care more about the main couple have less to draw them in since 80% of the drama was in how the relationship got established in the first place. We had one very frustrated person on mangadex who absolutely hated a side character and stuck around for her entire arc, which allegedly was already abbreviated from what the author originally had planned.

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5688-1340606550
joined May 11, 2013

Read a little bit ahead of what's been posted here and to me Jolene feels more like a sociopath who realized early on that antisocial behavior had steep, long-lasting social ramifications, and that she needed to squash her violent impulses and play by the rules of others if she wanted to get by in life. She's definitely got some of the traits associated with yanderes, but doesn't really have much of the single-minded limerent obsession that defines the archetype.

Sandra2
joined Mar 22, 2013

I do NOT "respect" the author's depiction of yandere. Sorry, but if a girl fights back against bullying with violence she is not a yandere!! I do like the story and the dynamics between the characters, but this is not a yandere.
She could only be a yandere if she still enjoyes hurting and obsessing over the villain once their relationship is getting deeper. But we haven't seen any signs of that so far. She doesn't even care about vilainess.
When I saw the tag I almost skipped it too!

It's pretty lighthearted, especially the description of the series. And I like that. I just do not appreciate the use of the term "yandere".

I mean... I agree that the term is inaccurate in this case but it's also not the that big a deal.
It's not like this one story's inaccurate use is going changing the world's perception of the word or anything.

glares at NTR titles, the most inaccurately used term in all of fiction

Of course it's not a big deal. But if we don't care about tagging stuff correctly, we might as well just leave the tagging completely. I am writing these comments entirely for myself.

And again, even if yandere is generally about being mentally "unwell" we'd need to tag almost every drama series yandere. But it is about a certain asthaetics. Which is probably also the case with NTR, hence all the wrong tagging.

So far Yolene has just defended herself against a bitch, who for no reason starts to bully her to the point she becomes homeless. What would you do as a reaction? Grovel? It's an option sure and most bully themed story seem to do it. So I just do not appreciate a bullied fighting back be titled mentally unwell, is all I'm saying.
Ofc that might still change in the future. Yolene might become a yandere later. I Haven't read ahead.

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