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joined Oct 27, 2017

And it seems like it's NSFW :o

PLEASE. I need to see this. Not because I’m particularly excited for smut, I’ve read enough of Ooshima’s works to where that feels pretty standard. But I’ve been watching Shiine fumble for almost five years now. I NEED the closure that this girl can indeed set a proper mood without chickening out.

You can do it!

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joined Mar 31, 2021

just have sex already goddamn

joined Oct 25, 2010

This is a great story about two caring and loving young characters! The physical expression of their love will happen someday. I must be patient. When it happens, these wonderful souls will experience physical love! I am sure of this!

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joined Nov 13, 2022

I just finished reading this start to finish (prompted by the new chapter release), and I am quite honestly SHOCKED that this work does not have the idiot couple tag. Obviously, they are now a real couple and I missed the first part of the series while it was updating, so I don't know, but... is there a reason why this doesn't have the idiot couple tag?

I have seen a lot of characters exhibit startling cluelessness about their mutual feelings for each other, but "we are friends who passionately kiss each other every week but it's just a one-sided love" is a whole different level of idiocy if you ask me.

(I apologize if this has already been addressed earlier in the comments)

Gay%20panic
joined Sep 11, 2020

God, "childhood promise that neither of us remember" is such a freaking cliche lmao. It felt like a cliche when I was reading Love Hina 25 years ago.

And it was NSFW. I guess. A few tits. That scene was really cute tho.

Is this the last we'll see of this? I wonder. This is one of my favorite series of all time, so I hope we'll get a few more stories, but it feels like it's pretty much done

joined Jan 3, 2020

Not sure calling these two shorts 'chapter 13' and 'chapter 14' is very accurate.

But it isn't exactly inaccurate either, since the authors seemed to abandon naming by numbers when they called the 12th mainline story 'Season 2'. That said, 1 through 11 are numbered on the manga's title page and these are not.

Dog%20me
joined Oct 3, 2018

I’ve concluded that the use of tropes as an excuse to not write properly is just abhorrent. I’ve accepted it in the past, because it was cute or silly, but why is it that Manga artists struggle so hard to create an original idea in parts like these? Is it the editors influence? Is it just that that they like the trope so much? I genuinely do not understand the reuse of the “we don’t recognize each other/thought each other were boys” childhood friends thing, I’ve seen it about 4 other times

I expected better writing from this duo, but the story itself is just a compilation of tropes for the sake of yuri kissing and ecchi, but this was still a disappointment . I am no longer excited for this story as some of the life has been somewhat sucked out of the ship for me now

Hope everyone else enjoyed lol.

Dog%20me
joined Oct 3, 2018

As a writer myself, I brainstormed just now and came up with about 10+ other ways their childhood friendship could’ve been introduced that would’ve actually helped the pair synthesize more, as opposed to just giving us poorly written randomness

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joined Oct 25, 2010

I only asked a family friend’s eldest daughter out for our High School dance one time! It was a disaster! So,! I focused on my faith, my family members, my studies mostly. It was a lonely time. But with 2 younger brothers, it was bearable! I set Holy Crusaders-like standards for myself that no person can reach! Thankfully, I met wonderful precious students from many places during advanced studies, and I learned that a GPA means nothing it the broader worlds of time and space! Keep caring and loving each other and all you hold dear! You can love more than one person! There’s no limit!! Yay ! Ichika and Shiine!

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

That was the most adorable thing of all times. ^_^

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Tbh, I'm just generally tired of the "they randomly met as children" trope, though in a lot of ways this was actually one of the less annoying versions of that trope due to it not actually mattering to the story and being just in an extra.

Still, I just don't see why so many authors seem to think that "true" love can only be possible if they already knew each other as children and heavily lean into one side remaining obsessed with the other after not seeing them for ages in some stories. Just let girls be gay and fall in love, why does it always need to be a "destined" partner?

joined Nov 21, 2022

I’ve concluded that the use of tropes as an excuse to not write properly is just abhorrent. I’ve accepted it in the past, because it was cute or silly, but why is it that Manga artists struggle so hard to create an original idea in parts like these? Is it the editors influence? Is it just that that they like the trope so much? I genuinely do not understand the reuse of the “we don’t recognize each other/thought each other were boys” childhood friends thing, I’ve seen it about 4 other times

I expected better writing from this duo, but the story itself is just a compilation of tropes for the sake of yuri kissing and ecchi, but this was still a disappointment . I am no longer excited for this story as some of the life has been somewhat sucked out of the ship for me now

Hope everyone else enjoyed lol.

My most loathed trope is getting caught out in the rain causes a character to become deathly ill from a cold, feverish, on death's door.

1) You don't get sick from the rain. Colds are caused by viruses. You only catch colds from other people.

2) If you have a fever, it ain't a cold. Colds are a mild irritant.

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joined Jan 7, 2018

Why there are many writers here criticizing an ecchi manga lol. Just enjoy the cute kissing and art.

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joined Feb 17, 2018

Why there are many writers here criticizing an ecchi manga lol. Just enjoy the cute kissing and art.

I think it's because there's enough of a thread here that it could have been good. Stuff that is extremely one dimensional doesn't attract the same ire because there's nothing to work with, the most frustrating media is always the stuff that's on the cusp of being good with a few changes.

Dog%20me
joined Oct 3, 2018

Why there are many writers here criticizing an ecchi manga lol. Just enjoy the cute kissing and art.

Why eat a shit diaper when you could eat a brownie Sunday?

Dog%20me
joined Oct 3, 2018

Why there are many writers here criticizing an ecchi manga lol. Just enjoy the cute kissing and art.

Why eat a shit diaper when you could eat a brownie Sunday?

Gay%20panic
joined Sep 11, 2020

Why there are many writers here criticizing an ecchi manga lol. Just enjoy the cute kissing and art.

Because that's what a comment section thread in a forum is for. Why would this forum even be here if the only thing that can and should be posted is "I liked this girls kissing makes my brain meat go doki doki"

Suisoh1el
joined Jul 14, 2021

Huh, I'm curious what word they used in Japanese for "lesbian" in that last story, and the connotations of it in Japan.

Twitter version: https://twitter.com/oshima_tomo/status/1166681522398580737

She likely meant wanting to avoiding potential bullying/alienation or gossip; most kids only knowing them as "those lesbians" after they see or hear about the two of them kissing passionately at school. What opinions they'd attach to it is left to imagination, but it'd probably at least be something inconsiderate.

With レズ/rezu it's more about the intent behind its use and one's personal experiences with it than the word itself being bad (think the homophobic uses of the word "gay"), but it does have a history of often being used as an insult / with contempt in the past and also being associated with lesbian pornography.

It was an abbreviation for "rezubian" before ビアン/bian was adopted by the LGBT community to cut off the negative baggage, and still is for the general public due to the latter not catching on outside of the community. Some women are OK with labelling themselves with it, and young people are more likely to reach for it due to SNS character limits (bian supposedly sounds old-fashioned to them) and fewer of them having negative experiences related to it.

Still, there are people who'd be offended by it so TV stations and the press avoid it (I've seen an anecdote about a lesbian calling herself rezu in an interview and then apologizing for the word choice), and if a company or a university has a guide on sexual minorities it will advise using other terms.

Sources: manga tropes, some articles/papers/guides and a bunch of yahoo posts.

Suisoh1el
joined Jul 14, 2021

I genuinely do not understand the reuse of the “we don’t recognize each other/thought each other were boys” childhood friends thing

Things that aren't as uncommon in real life as one may think:
+ mistaking boyish girls for boys and girlish boys for girls
+ parents dressing up very young kids in clothes of opposite sex for fun or simply reusing clothes of older siblings or relatives
+ children's appearance changing diametrically as they grow up
+ gender-neutral names and nicknames
+ not learning or not remembering names of people you've only interacted with in early childhood
+ getting separated from childhood friends because of parents relocating due to Japanese corpo belief of new experiences boosting productivity, and the culture of severing ties with people you won't be interacting with on a daily basis anymore (classmates, coworkers, neighbours)

That said, double gender confusion is indeed less plausible than only one person getting mistaken for a boy/girl.

Still, I just don't see why so many authors seem to think that "true" love can only be possible if they already knew each other as children and heavily lean into one side remaining obsessed with the other after not seeing them for ages in some stories.

Childhood friends are big in Japan because of het stories using them as a tool to inject friends of opposite sex for the protagonist, breaking through societal walls of limited non-romantic interactions with the opposite sex and hiding true feelings behind socially-acceptable masks (you get a character that's allowed to act friendly with the protagonist and already knows their truer-to-self side from their childhood). Romanticizing them there gives a side effect of yuri/yaoi authors exposed to it also finding the archetype romantic. Destined lovers or reuniting with loved ones is considered romantic worldwide. Childhood sweethearts may be seen as more pure/innocent and innocence is Japan's sex appeal. There may be bonus appeal of having a person that cares about you without having to deal with school courtship rituals, group dates or matchmaking. There's also manga industry wanting to be sustainable and pushing for tropes that sell, and it's fine as a reader to be fed up with consuming too much of the same thing.

My most loathed trope is getting caught out in the rain causes a character to become deathly ill from a cold, feverish, on death's door.

1) You don't get sick from the rain. Colds are caused by viruses. You only catch colds from other people.

2) If you have a fever, it ain't a cold. Colds are a mild irritant.

Getting soaked in the rain lowers body temperature, which weakens one's immune system. If you already have a weaker immune system, or weaken it with stress and overworking yourself (very common in Japan and in some other Asian countries), it's definitely possible for it to tip the scales and make you suddenly sick or even bedridden the next day. An average person is already exposed to people, viruses and other pathogens everyday, so getting infected is not a problem.

What exactly you're sick with / how you call it when informing others of your condition is not important if you're not seeking medical care, but a cold can be accompanied by (manga levels of) fever too and whether it's a mild irritant depends on the person.

The heat loss is the angle Japan uses in their rainy weather health advice. Usually accompanied by being told to rush home or other bathtub-equipped location, take off wet clothes, wash off the yucky rain water and plunge into a hot bath - or to not forget your umbrella in the first place.

Charon-sml
joined Feb 14, 2016

Lizstar posted:

Why there are many writers here criticizing an ecchi manga lol. Just enjoy the cute kissing and art.

Because that's what a comment section thread in a forum is for. Why would this forum even be here if the only thing that can and should be posted is "I liked this girls kissing makes my brain meat go doki doki"

I am once again asking for 2 entire volumes of kase-san where they do nothing but lounge around in the nude and feed each other sweets. Makes my brain meat go doki doki

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joined Mar 10, 2013

Shiine Is the first chatacters that makes me say "go back to horny jail" unironically

Lojsdbe
joined Sep 16, 2019

As a writer myself, I brainstormed just now and came up with about 10+ other ways their childhood friendship could’ve been introduced that would’ve actually helped the pair synthesize more, as opposed to just giving us poorly written randomness

Alright Shakespeare, lay them on me.

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joined Mar 4, 2018

As a writer myself, I brainstormed just now and came up with about 10+ other ways their childhood friendship could’ve been introduced that would’ve actually helped the pair synthesize more, as opposed to just giving us poorly written randomness

Show, don't tell.

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joined Jan 21, 2019

I'm late but WE ARE SO BACK

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joined Jan 21, 2019

ahhh i missed them so much. this is probably the last we'll see of them but it's nice to finally get somewhat of a resolution (ಥ⁠‿⁠ಥ)

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