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Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Anyway, rant over. TLDR: Everything went downhill once we got Yuzu's perspective.

Ironically I thought the series was going to go in a better direction when we started getting those chapters, instead of Yuzu turning into an Olympic acrobat jumping through every hoop imaginable to avoid being loved.

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

I'm betting 100 Yuri Dollar that Mai is gonna freak out when she sees Asumi come to the reservation together with Senpai, immediately assuming that Senpai must be Asumi's girlfriend. Then she gets all sad and becomes completely unable to perform in bed, ultimately leading to Asumi aggressively topping her in order to convince her that she was after Mai from the beginning. It's even foreshadowed in this chapter when Mai muses about what Asumi might be doing right now with her girlfriend.

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

I think the main problem with this series and the reason why people are getting so mad is precisely that it isn't simply a bad manga. Rather, it starts our rather nicely, getting people hooked on what is by all means a cute and somewhat silly love story about a gigantic lesbian mess of a high-school girl (Minami) trying to get together with her childhood friend and being repeatedly clam-jammed by that friends utter neutron-star-level denseness. But, then AFTER the reader is hooked, the story is dragged out painfully, with increasingly unbelievable reasons being made up why they can't get together and, most damagingly, the big revelation that the dense childhood friend isn't actually dense at all but just suffers from a rather ridiculous childhood trauma of rejection. To make matters worse, this trauma feels like a complete plot device, not really being foreshadowed at all and just generally not fitting the light-hearted comedy vibes of the earlier chapters.

This also means that the manga does not focus on its actual strengths. Because what it is really good at (besides the very pretty art) is creating nice sweet and comedic situations between its protagonists, showing their childhood friends dynamic in a really endearing way, whilst also garnishing this with a number of likeable side-characters. However, the shift happening when Yuzu's perspective is revealed forces the manga into the direction of exploring Yuzu's psychology instead, which just doesn't work with the premise. I think this is largely due to the author (or the publisher, who knows) wanting to continue the manga for longer but realising that you can't just repeat the dense childhood friend joke over and over again ad nauseum. And so some bogus underlying conflict was tacked on, disrupting the entire story.

A much better solution, in my opinion, would have been to stick to the original premise of Yuzu just being dense and then simply allowing them to get together halfway through the manga. The manga's strengths is in its cuteness and the character relations anyway, not the will-they-won't-they of romantic pursuit. Making them a couple and then using the remaining space to just deliver fluff mixed with a number of further comedic misunderstandings and relationship struggles would've been infinitely better I think. You could even continue to play the joke of Yuzu being dense, but just refreshing it through the new setting. E.g., Yuzu could behave in a way that seems intensely horny to Minami and makes her all flustered and confused, but Yuzu is actually just her normal oblivious self, which could lead to both comedy and relationship development.

Anyway, rant over. TLDR: Everything went downhill once we got Yuzu's perspective.

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Tsk tsk tsk. Way to be pushy, Lloyd. What's even the point ? I love that Ada hates the idea, here's hoping she doesn't find some excuse to agree to it.

I looked into my crystal ball and the way it's going to go down is that Kaye will agree to it but then if she wins she'll go to the ball with Ada, which will then serve as the excuse for a totally-not-a-date-but-really-totally-a-date.

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Mitsuki, what are you thinking just casually dropping nuclear weapon levels of rizz in class like that??

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Currently reading the webnovel for this manga I'm a bit confused as at some point, the plot of the novel and the manga seemed to have diverged radically. Anyone who read the novel had the same experience?

On the topic of consent, I think the novel, by virtue of having extensive passages of Wakaba's internal monologue makes it a bit easier to understand and I do think that the tag of "dubious consent" is definitely the most appropriate as Wakaba herself is just constantly confused about why she does not push back against Komaki. She even acknowledges that she probably could just stop interacting with her but just plain doesn't want to do that and like 70% of the novel is just her trying to puzzle out what her relationship to and thoughts about Komaki actually are.
In short, it is dubious because Wakaba herself actually doesn't really know if she's consenting.

One thing I do find significant though and that sets this one apart from 100 days in my personal opinion is that there's still a sort of invisible line not to be crossed, despite what that previous poster with the panels might want to suggest. The tone in the novel too gets noticeably darker when Komaki first makes Wakaba undress and Wakaba is genuinely scared of what might happen, resolving that any actual sexual acts with Komaki would be a step too far and something she would need to resist. The fact that Komaki then DOESN'T step beyond that red line is significant I think, as it defuses the dark tension which has been INTENTIONALLY built up before that and implies that Komaki might, despite her demeanour, not be willing to do anything that would actually emotionally harm Wakaba.
In 100 days, on the other hand, that line is crossed in the infamous chapter mentioned by others here. Of course, the violated party then decides that she actually doesn't mind the line being crossed during/after the process, but it doesn't change the fact that that boundary was violated. I understand that we each have our own feelings about that scene and our distinct opinions, but as someone who was emotionally disturbed by that scene and had to drop the manga because of it, I personally (!) struggle to understand how it can be read as anything but rape, and if I had had that tag at the time of my reading the chapter, I might have been more emotionally prepared for what's to come and it wouldn't have been so disturbing. In any case, that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to enjoy that manga or have different readings of the scene, but I do think it is different than for example this story and I wonder if fans of 100 days aren't influenced in their reading of the scene by their knowledge about the (apparently plentiful) fluff to come later down the line.

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Somehow. the way this story is drawn and narrated makes it almost impossible for me to follow along what is actually happening, so I'm just sitting here being confused and concerned

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

When you become the fourth wheel on a car that's going full speed over a cliff edge... This is going to be fun

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

That "Huh?!" was absolutely the perfect reaction to this. :D

New friend has the "Tsundere" role?

My guess is that the school switched their application forms or something and the new friend will get the "socialite" or whatever role instead of the villainess role they were supposed to have, making life difficult for both of them and ultimately pushing them towards each other.

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Sometimes it feels like there's a little bit of resentment or dissatisfaction when a yuri story focuses on other things than just the romance. But I agree with you. I've loved their progress and the world around them creates a lot of valid reasons for why they'd both feel inadequate and unsafe to form or think about relationship at the moment.

I agree and I think it's sort of natural, considering that we are all here on a page for yuri manga, a genre whose literally sole unifying feature is that its about girls dating girls. That naturally makes people hyperfocus on the girl dating girl aspect, which works well for romance but less well for everything that doesn't strictly want to be a romance.Tbh, that's why I really wish there was more other genre manga/anime that just happens to feature girls dating girls so that some of the pressure is taken off the yuri tag but alas we're still a bit far from that point.

For this story in particular though, I also think it could've been handled a bit better. It's not terrible as is and the notion of them both needing to grow a bit more makes sense but it just isn't communicated that well. This is largely due to the pacing of the relationship story being disrupted by the fighting chapters I think, there's been so many chapters since the romantic nature of the Hinata/Naori relationship was last discussed that it almost feels a bit disjointed, which is a shame. Still love this manga though.

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Rutou-san is way too good at this lmao I kinda want to sub to her ASMR channel now

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021
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Emo girl's harem just keeps on growing. Also, that tail-wag is cute as hell.

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ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

We’ll that’s extremely creepy, can’t blame the sister for leaving

The dad told her to leave. We don't know if she really wanted to be separated. She was also very involved in the kissing. Even before the kissing, she was blushing and hesitating throughout the chapter. It felt like she shared her sister's feelings but was in more conflict with herself about her desires, naturally. She may have fled to escape her feelings but I don't think they were one sided.

I think that's an accurate read, on page 104 specifically we see the older sister responding to Meguru's kiss by pulling her in with her left hand. It's still true that she seemed a lot more aware of the moral problems of this sort of relationship though and I find it quite likely that the reason she told their dad is precisely because she was feeling intensely conflicted about the entire thing. Her leaving would then be a form of running away from feelings that she had but considered to be wrong, thus her last note to Meguru stating that she "won't be able to" live with her. That's probably less the dad banning them from living together and more her thinking that she needs the physical distance in order to get rid of her incestuous feelings. This may have even played a role in her decision to marry relatively quickly.

The most interesting thing will be to see what her impact is going to be when she inevitable turns up in the main narrative at some point.

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

I'm actually surprised that there was some real incest going on between Meguru and her sister, but I guess one could've foreseen that. Also feels quite heavy on the younger sister angst here, interested to see how that will continue.

As for Kasane, we know that she 100% would be ecstatic about being kissed by Meguru for any reason, so it's a bit of a loss for her to be asleep for that occasion.

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

OMG this chapter was metal as fuck. And Hinata on the last page is so incredibly cool, I'm all for it.

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021
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^^ considering that bite mark, tearing them off seems definitely on the table

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021
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I want this ship to never stop being a thing. Too precious

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

I have to conclude that either Nae has a killer poker face, or she has utterly failed to connect Umi's dots, namely "Umi likes someone she won't tell me about" and "Umi has gotten really close with Shou".

Heteronormativity is one hell of a drug

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

I know it's a weird hangup to have, but stuff like the "Of course it's impossible for me to attend a regular high school" keeps coming up and it always takes me right out of it - like, why? Why would it be? Maybe it's weird to readily accept time travel but consider this weird bureaucratic situation to be strange, but seriously, what's keeping her from resuming her "normal" life path? She'd be surrounded by a completely different class, but that's no different from what a transfer student would go through.

Because any Japanese high school she'd look to enter would look at her paperwork, see that she's legally 21 and then politely decline. You can't just go back to a regular old high school if you're an adult in Japan (and probably many other places in the world) and despite the time travel stuff, that's precisely what Aya's documents will make her: a legal adult.

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Very interesting chapter and curious to see where this is going.

I also agree that the boy likely is not going to be a love rival in any real way, what is much more likely is that he's going to be a catalyst for getting the more messed up side of Koto fully out in the open and it indeed feels like the manga is setting up her mental issues now to explode into the story in the next couple of chapters. In all likelihood, that will then be a moment for Aya to realise that Koto isn't nearly as mature as she thought and for everyone (possibly including Erika) to see just how much the events surrounding Aya have messed up Koto mentally (though Erika might actually know already, she seems the most aware of them all).

Now, I think it's important to stress that the current Koto-Aya relationship is more than a little bit toxic. Besides the obviously questionable age-gap thing, Koto has clearly acted possessive this chapter and tried to stifle Aya's necessary growth as a person. Having said that, I don't think Koto herself is really aware of what she's doing and neither do I "hate" her for this, she's just a girl who's gone through some really heavy trauma and never had the adequate support to process that. Still, that leaves a fundamental problem in their relationship that I just can't see a satisfying solution for at all. Koto needs therapy more than anything else and the entire relationship with Aya is just so fraught with historical trauma and issues that I personally struggle to see a way in which it could become a healthy or normal relationship without a similarly heavy divine intervention like the one that made Aya disappear in the first place, basically giving her back the years she missed (and I have a feeling that might actually end up being what we get).

Ultimately, what's really interesting about this manga though is that every character has issues which make having a healthy relationship with the rest difficult but none of them are really bad people per say, all their issues are completely understandable and the dynamic is tragic more than anything else. I really really hope we'll get a serious and satisfying development going forward but I'm also afraid that doing that is going to be hard.

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

"Ah yes I still communicate with that group of homophobic assholes about you", very smooth...

Yeah, as much as I sympathise with Tianli she completely fumbled that conversation with the emotional delicacy of mining drill

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

The big difference between this and the Rejected in a Dream is that the couple here still clearly has some stuff they need to internally push past before becoming a couple, so this’ll be forward progress even if nothing else happens. The couple in Rejected in a Dream, by contrast, were THERE. They had the mood, they had the kiss, they both knew what they wanted. All they needed was one more step to officially become a couple, and then a wall randomly appeared at the finish line to delay them.

I would say Tsukushi does absolutely have some stuff to internally push past too, I mean that negativity she got is absolutely pathological to the degree of being self-sabotaging. That is not just a random wall but one character's very real psychological problem that has been present constantly in previous chapters too with Yuu and Sara being baffled by Tsukushi's conviction that she'd get rejected.

But I do absolutely agree with your point about this forehead kiss being progress even if there's going to be backpedaling next chapter, I fully expect some sort of mild angst coming up which will ultimately help our MCs progress with their relationship.

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

Nope, I almost fell for it with that other series. They're both very similar too. Not falling for it again but hoping for the best.

Same, I get that people are celebrating but very much expecting a "oh no, I didn't mean anything by that, oops" sort of thing from Yuzu next chapter. Would be very happy to be proven wrong though.

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

I generally prefer BoKita but this was cute. Also, I think I just want Bocchi to have a loving girlfriend more than anything else, homegirl deserves all the happiness in the world.

How about 2 girlfriends? (3.5 if we include Yoyoko and Ryo)

Bocchi x everyone is a very valid option

ChikyuuNeko
Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

I generally prefer BoKita but this was cute. Also, I think I just want Bocchi to have a loving girlfriend more than anything else, homegirl deserves all the happiness in the world.