"Oh wow (i.e. surprise, unlike how I thought) she's really athletic" "That's what you are thinking, right? I was thinking that too" doesn't seem like ironic.
But I guess this can be the next thing people write essays about

And for the love of god(?) Michael Jordan hasn't hit every single free throw he ever made. Missed a shot? Not athletic.

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Mitsuki misses the shot and the guy's comment surely is just meant to imply that Aya sees her through some rose-tinted glasses, not a factual statement. So I don't think there's specific indication she's particularly sporty in the first place ...

The way the scene is presented visually sure makes it seem like a graceful and ''cool'' moment, to me at least. The shot doesn't go in but everything about it screams that Mitsuki is surprisingly athletic, unless I'm reading it completely wrong.

Agreed. I read that miss as just a slight twist on the "cool, athletic" trope we've seen a million times, where the ball goes in (or more often, the volleyball spike slams for a point). Throughout the series, Mitsuki isn't being being presented as the "surprisingly perfect outsider," just surprisingly better than expected--she missed the shot, but she's not useless at the sport.

{Aya staring at Mitsuki during P.E]

The Dude™:

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Mitsuki misses the shot and the guy's comment surely is just meant to imply that Aya sees her through some rose-tinted glasses, not a factual statement. So I don't think there's specific indication she's particularly sporty in the first place ...

The way the scene is presented visually sure makes it seem like a graceful and ''cool'' moment, to me at least. The shot doesn't go in but everything about it screams that Mitsuki is surprisingly athletic, unless I'm reading it completely wrong.

Agreed. I read that miss as just a slight twist on the "cool, athletic" trope we've seen a million times, where the ball goes in (or more often, the volleyball spike slams for a point). Throughout the series, Mitsuki isn't being being presented as the "surprisingly perfect outsider," just surprisingly better than expected--she missed the shot, but she's not useless at the sport.

I read it the same way you guys did - not that she's a secret ringer or aloof school prince, just that Aya's able to notice things now like, "She's actually kind of tall," "She has some coordination and looks pretty cool on the court." Mitsuki's whole thing wasn't that she was a physically-bereft bookworm, it was that she just didn't want to be noticed. So whatever skills she may have at sports, or school, or whatever, she doesn't show them unless she has to.

{Aya staring at Mitsuki during P.E]

The Dude™:

Lmao, this is pretty good.

I would like to say that perhaps we are seeing things from Aya's point-of-view.

Hahaha, notice it too when I checked again. Although, he still doesn't have an actual name till now. Poor jerk face, hope his not stuck with that name till the end of the story.

I've started mentally calling him Jeff

Not Jeff LMFAO

Let’s give him a japanese token-straight character name, like Ken

hmmm, Jeff sounds right for him. I second Jeff to be his name. :D

I’m confused why there’s all this analysis on “she’s good at sport”.
She’s one of two people that run a business that has a lot of stock turnover in short periods. New album dropping means getting all the stock ahead of release, then setting it up in time for customers, and so on. That on top of normal restocking etc and you’re gonna either get a solid core or injure yourself.

“Trope stereotype oh noes”
Yeah, because butch women are super uncommon irl.

“She doesn’t want to stand out, so she should avoid participating in a class” because that’s not conspicuous…?
“Basic level of participation while looking basic” is the best way to coast in Japan, socially.

Why all the “discourse”?!?!

What’s this queer-Twitter “anyone can be whatever they want but not if it’s common or traditional” mishegas?

“LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!!! I DON’T APPROVE OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DESCRIBED WITHOUT NEOLOGISMS!!!”

This chapter just makes me think that Aya IS attracted to Mitsuki and she knows it, she is just too hurt about being lied to.

Well, yeah. That’s why she had that anxiety attack and couldn’t deal with looking at her for days.
We got to see her denial wall break, but she’s still in the five stages of mourning her (supposed) heterosexuality.

I HAVE FELT THAT FEEL.

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The Dude™:

SO TRUE

I’m confused why there’s all this analysis on “she’s good at sport”.
She’s one of two people that run a business that has a lot of stock turnover in short periods. New album dropping means getting all the stock ahead of release, then setting it up in time for customers, and so on. That on top of normal restocking etc and you’re gonna either get a solid core or injure yourself.

“Trope stereotype oh noes”
Yeah, because butch women are super uncommon irl.

“She doesn’t want to stand out, so she should avoid participating in a class” because that’s not conspicuous…?
“Basic level of participation while looking basic” is the best way to coast in Japan, socially.

Why all the “discourse”?!?!

What’s this queer-Twitter “anyone can be whatever they want but not if it’s common or traditional” mishegas?

“LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!!! I DON’T APPROVE OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DESCRIBED WITHOUT NEOLOGISMS!!!”

You are absolutely correct—you are very confused.

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I’m confused why there’s all this analysis on “she’s good at sport”.
She’s one of two people that run a business that has a lot of stock turnover in short periods. New album dropping means getting all the stock ahead of release, then setting it up in time for customers, and so on. That on top of normal restocking etc and you’re gonna either get a solid core or injure yourself.

“Trope stereotype oh noes”
Yeah, because butch women are super uncommon irl.

“She doesn’t want to stand out, so she should avoid participating in a class” because that’s not conspicuous…?
“Basic level of participation while looking basic” is the best way to coast in Japan, socially.

Why all the “discourse”?!?!

What’s this queer-Twitter “anyone can be whatever they want but not if it’s common or traditional” mishegas?

“LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!!! I DON’T APPROVE OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DESCRIBED WITHOUT NEOLOGISMS!!!”

You are absolutely correct—you are very confused.
…about why someone would have a negative opinion of her being good at sport.

I’m confused why there’s all this analysis on “she’s good at sport”.
She’s one of two people that run a business that has a lot of stock turnover in short periods. New album dropping means getting all the stock ahead of release, then setting it up in time for customers, and so on. That on top of normal restocking etc and you’re gonna either get a solid core or injure yourself.

“Trope stereotype oh noes”
Yeah, because butch women are super uncommon irl.

“She doesn’t want to stand out, so she should avoid participating in a class” because that’s not conspicuous…?
“Basic level of participation while looking basic” is the best way to coast in Japan, socially.

Why all the “discourse”?!?!

What’s this queer-Twitter “anyone can be whatever they want but not if it’s common or traditional” mishegas?

“LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!!! I DON’T APPROVE OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DESCRIBED WITHOUT NEOLOGISMS!!!”

You are absolutely correct—you are very confused.
…about why someone would have a negative opinion of her being good at sport.

I swear to The Gods everyday this thread found a new silly thing to argue about

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I’m confused why there’s all this analysis on “she’s good at sport”.
She’s one of two people that run a business that has a lot of stock turnover in short periods. New album dropping means getting all the stock ahead of release, then setting it up in time for customers, and so on. That on top of normal restocking etc and you’re gonna either get a solid core or injure yourself.

“Trope stereotype oh noes”
Yeah, because butch women are super uncommon irl.

“She doesn’t want to stand out, so she should avoid participating in a class” because that’s not conspicuous…?
“Basic level of participation while looking basic” is the best way to coast in Japan, socially.

Why all the “discourse”?!?!

What’s this queer-Twitter “anyone can be whatever they want but not if it’s common or traditional” mishegas?

“LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!!! I DON’T APPROVE OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DESCRIBED WITHOUT NEOLOGISMS!!!”

You are absolutely correct—you are very confused.
…about why someone would have a negative opinion of her being good at sport.

I swear to The Gods everyday this thread found a new shily thing to argue about

It's open, diverse and fun I guess. Shows how manga is well loved.

Jerkface sees Aya storming off in the last panel, so he knows or suspects she overheard them. He might really end up being the catalyst that gets them talking to each other huh

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What the hell? Why are people mad at "Jerkface?" So far he's only been helping them become actual friends. Even when he was introduced, he didn't even imply he would try to take Aya for himself after learning about her and Mitsuki. In fact, he's one of the few guys I like in a yuri setting. Am I missing something?

Someone give me the rundown because I don't want to read these paragraphs

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he is my headache in my butt now

What the hell? Why are people mad at "Jerkface?" So far he's only been helping them become actual friends. Even when he was introduced, he didn't even imply he would try to take Aya for himself after learning about her and Mitsuki. In fact, he's one of the few guys I like in a yuri setting. Am I missing something?

Someone give me the rundown because I don't want to read these paragraphs

You are not missing anything. People are just really hard to please and they are engaging in discourse that has NOTHING to do with the plot.

I will sum up things tho and try to put an end at this bs so we don’t get called out by the mods for the 200th time:

People are trying to make him a problematic presence because of an interpretation out of nowhere from Chapter 15 saying that he was sexualising a f/f relationship and acting predator-like. However, as the title of the chapter says (thank you, @Kirin for adding them), Ch.15 with his POV is about him thinking how cool Mitsuki actually is. A totally innocent thing. People pulled out the “oh no the male gaze and straight males seeing lesbian relationships under that lens” out of nowhere.

Here is a REAL summary of the Jerkface dude, (by someone who engages in this forum to talk about the plot and deadass created a discord to discuss the series and follow updates + make memes, so you know i’ve been rereading it daily)

!!!! Feel free to ignore it !!!!

He is helping them, and he knows it. He probably is not that aware that this is a romantic situation (so far we haven’t seen Mitsuki disclose that she knows Aya has a crush on this male persona).
His introduction was shitty (“oh a guy who thinks he can make people do stuff for him because his pretty and his target is girls because hetero”). But he is actually quite a savvy character:

A) Noticed Aya was hanging out with >Mitsuki< (not a dude) right away,
B) appreciated Mitsuki’s style so asked her why she’s so different at school (look-wise, since he doesn’t know her. why do you wear glasses at school?), had no idea what the situation was so he assumed Aya and Mitsuki were friends hanging out at the store and one of them is super stylish, he didn’t know there was a crush/Onii-san situation so he wanted to HANG OUT with the cool-looking classmate — y’know, NORMAL THINGS people do, specially when they are students, asking if they can join the FRIEND CIRCLE
C) Disagreed with Mitsuki’s close-minded POV pulled straight out of a teen drama (“popular kids and quiet ones don’t mix up”) right away
D) The latest chapter

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So where did this use of “discourse” as a pejorative term for things people don’t want to hear come from?

Because it’s all “discourse”—even the shitty clip-art memes.

^^^^^
The shitty clip-art memes are actually talking about the damn story instead of trying to make a 4-page twitter manga problematic by forcing some random discussion that has no place on a comedy manga

If this thread was just shitty memes and “cool they talked about Nirvana” we wouldn’t be called out by Admins so often

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I said “discourse that has nothing to do with the story” I didn’t use the term discourse incorrectly… It’s all discourse, but some discourse has no place here. And at 85 pages one would think we were way past that.

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^^^^^
The shitty clip-art memes are actually talking about the damn story instead of trying to make a 4-page twitter manga problematic by forcing some random discussion that has no place on a comedy manga

I didn’t say the meme was off topic—I meant the clip art was shitty.

And you’re not the only one to use the term “discourse” around here recently, a term that has previously rarely appeared in any forum thread I’ve ever read.

^^^^^
The shitty clip-art memes are actually talking about the damn story instead of trying to make a 4-page twitter manga problematic by forcing some random discussion that has no place on a comedy manga

I didn’t say the meme was off topic—I meant the clip art was shitty.

it's supposed to be shitty, that's the fun of it hehe

but yeah, a lot of people are wasting their time talking about stuff unrelated to the story, which is extremely annoying and we will all just keep fighting instead of enjoying the manga

I’m confused why there’s all this analysis on “she’s good at sport”.
She’s one of two people that run a business that has a lot of stock turnover in short periods. New album dropping means getting all the stock ahead of release, then setting it up in time for customers, and so on. That on top of normal restocking etc and you’re gonna either get a solid core or injure yourself.

“Trope stereotype oh noes”
Yeah, because butch women are super uncommon irl.

“She doesn’t want to stand out, so she should avoid participating in a class” because that’s not conspicuous…?
“Basic level of participation while looking basic” is the best way to coast in Japan, socially.

Why all the “discourse”?!?!

What’s this queer-Twitter “anyone can be whatever they want but not if it’s common or traditional” mishegas?

“LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!!! I DON’T APPROVE OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DESCRIBED WITHOUT NEOLOGISMS!!!”

You are absolutely correct—you are very confused.
…about why someone would have a negative opinion of her being good at sport.

I swear to The Gods everyday this thread found a new silly thing to argue about

Pretty much.

It’s bananas.

The bleeding edge of progressive is and always has been completely insane and up-in-arms all the time even when it doesn’t need to be.

That’s how it works. It’s necessary, but so are reality checks.

This feels very emotionally realistic and grounded, and has stuff that could easily happen in real livfe.
So people latched onto it as a chance to say “depictions of reality should not have things like that. They should depict my ideals” not realising that this is exactly what they disapprove of.

A guy admiring a person as a person isn’t problematic, nor is a butch being casually butch.

It’s all (in the actual definition, not the common misuse) virtue signalling. Looking for something to publicly disapprove of.

What’s next? People saying their liking Western music is cultural appropriation?

Let the gay teen drama be a gay teen drama.

Are people screaming about how problematic loli is every time it gets posted? I just roll my eyes, shudder and scroll past it.

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and we're back to your regularly scheduled discussions, arguments, and debates in the comments section.

also to wlftchtr82 please update the list. I had to go way back on page 43 to find it. man, we have come a long way on these two girls with Jerkfa...er....Jeff.

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Are people screaming about how problematic loli is every time it gets posted?

Weirdly enough, that's like the one thing the admins don't want people arguing about.

and we're back to your regularly scheduled discussions, arguments, and debates in the comments section.

also to wlftchtr82 please update the list. I had to go way back on page 43 to find it. man, we have come a long way on these two girls with Jerkfa...er....Jeff.

Oh my god, someone is reading the list! (> '-*)>

Due to personal reasons (exams) I haven't been able to update it since Chapter 12 (oof), but I was turning it into a Google Doc so people wouldn't have to search for a forum post. Also, the same link can be used for people to access all the updates...

Here is the draft. Haven't edited it since late August because taking screenshots is too much work. Promise I'll get back on it as soon as possible.

For now the closest there is to a band/artists list is this playlist one of the Discord members created. They update it weekly, adding songs by the mentioned artists and, if it's the case, the album.
I understand not everyone is willing to check a playlist (even tho it slaps), so I'll update you soon.

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