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Welp things took a turn here I see. I don't know why people are having such a crisis of faith with this situation. Basically expect Vtubers to have some genuineness to their friendships, their personality in their characters, however you shouldn't expect anything from things like ships. I've been around Takamori since day one and it was super obvious to me that it was something Kiara did for fun but not out of any seriousness.

Also everyone has different sides to them, different masks they wear for different people. Don't expect to truly know everything about anyone, and especially don't expect that from entertainers you don't personally know. Remember that at the end of the day they have a life outside of their streaming and are a person outside of the character they put on for streaming. This can be said for streamers who just use a camera as well.

I've been separating the streamer from the person they are outside of streaming since day one, and so I'm not having any crisis of faith here. I'm not at all understanding how this situation ruins Vtubers for people and the immersion of the character.

Edit 2: I removed "but alas maybe people needed the reality check", because it's not my intent to be rude and I realize the wording is harsher than I meant. So I'll instead say, maybe people needed to realize there's more to the streamer outside of their streaming persona. Their character is just one of many sides of who they are. Hopefully this reflects my thoughts a bit better, and doesn't sound rude.

Edit: I would say I understand some of where Buscoito is coming from. Vtubers are a mix of a person and a character, more than a TV/Movie character and actor most of the time anyhow. I would say I agree with some of what Random is saying but disagree with other aspects, like if you seriously think Vtubers are scripted that's legitimately wild.

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I love

@Random

I think we all are aware of the fact that ultimately, they're actors. But having the cover of the virtual persona gave them a degree of plausible deniability that let you think "what if is actually real?" Especially with the way Kiara always came off as being legitimately into Calli and girls in general, and even Calli's dere moments worked into it. All of this created a very unique scenario where you could see and interact with fictional characters in a way you rarely see.

But once that Kiara comes out and says that everything is just an act, well, then they're just another streamer for the pile and at least for me, I can no longer see their interactions with each other as anything but just another part of their job.

Oh and your suggestion of "Healthy cynicism" just comes off as being a party pooper that can't see anything without looking for things to smugly say "Is fake". And I think that is such an awful way of living.

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@FluffyCow Well then i think i was just enjoying Vtubers in the wrong way i guess, i think i was just convinced by their roles that i tought they were more of themselves on stream, i apologize if i said something wrong and made anyone upset

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@Buscoito You're perfectly fine, and I don't think you were enjoying them in the wrong way. Apologies if I came across as saying that, I didn't mean to sound rude either. I think they ARE to a degree themselves and the character. Who they are on stream and how they blend into their character is a side of them, we're not going to see all the sides of them or know who they are outside of streaming. Which I think is fine personally, and just knowing this has made it so I'm aware that there's these sides to them that we'll never see and it means my immersion is intact. I get what I expect with the streams and the streamer, hopefully this makes sense.

^^^to put it bluntly I can only see that as a "you" kind of problem; emotional over-investement in a fantasy that holds a particular appeal to you.
Because that's what it is at the end of the day and allowing yourself to forget that distinction after the latest performance segment has concluded is straight up dangerous. It's the first step down a slope that leads to some very dark places.

Whatever the medium and the skill of the performers it's fundamentally the responsibility of the viewer to distinguish fact from fiction; and the audience most certainly is not entitled to make any demands of the actors outside the role and then get mad when those aren't met.

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What's with this ship recently? I've been seeing alot of HaMarine pics, but I have no idea why it surfaced. I must be missing something here.

Ultimately it's kind of interesting to be having this conversation in a way. Since we're all strangers that could be anywhere in the world, we know really nothing about each other. A few thoughts and opinions of each other. Everything we're saying and thinking might not even be conveyed properly, it's difficult to fully get our thoughts across and communicate, how people perceive what we say might be different than how we intend it, and all of this text conversation lacks tone. So I mean this whole conversation we strangers are all having about streamers with character personas on line, is in it's self comically surreal. I just hope nobody feels bad about anything I've said, I have no ill will towards anyone here even if I share different views. I hope everyone is able to enjoy the things like they like. We're just a bunch of people on a strange ball floating in space, all trying to live our lives the best we can haha

^errrr... did you hit the bottle and suddenly switch into "soulful old drunk" mode or something? o_O

^Haha well it's entirely fair to think that, but no. People I know tend to think my way of thinking is a bit unusual, I suppose I find life in general surreal.

Edit: I'm going to hit the hay, have a wonderful night everyone, it was fun chatting. Time to fly through the cosmos of dreams. As the Nursery Rhyme goes, "Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream, Merrily merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream".

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^^I'm largely out of the loop with the Haato/Haachama lore, but the way you describe it sounds a lot like Norman Bates.

@Aquwin I was thinking the same thing.

Clearly what vtubers should do is adopt personas so absolutely insane that there's no question what they're doing is all an act.

From the way Yuyuko's chuckling I've kinda got the feeling she's thinking "Ooh, my wife has got another mistress?"

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Pastellllll

Amen to that @Smolgirl

Did I make an account just for these comment? Nope gonna keep using this one for later. so now, two things
1.like someone said above kiara did give a reason as to why she said that In a only members streams and it is a reason I totally agree with, since I don't know if I should put the reason (and also I still don't know how the spoilers thing works) I ain't gonna say it
2. I think the reason as to why some people are mad isn't so much the fact that they don't separate reality from fiction, I think it's more likely that their ship got "attacked" from one half of it, kiara saying what she said pretty much put a dent in the whole takamori ship and for some people that probably where invested in the ship didn't leave a nice taste

^^kek

^...because being that invested in a fiction doesn't indicate issues with separating the real from the make-believe in the first place?

^^ They were hosting a soft r34 fanart contest
It got delayed recently due to Marine's break

^ that's an individual problem, invested in fiction, like you said, doesn't mean problem with separating reality with fiction, that there are people that have that issue? Sure, but being invested in something fictional doesn't mean you don't know the difference, if that was the case then I would probably think I am some manga character lol

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^spare me the weird reductio ad absurdum strawmen. Treating something fictional like it was or should be real, and reacting with outrage when it's not because you're so emotionally invested in it, rather strikes me as a fact/fiction separation issue per definitionem.

Someone busted out their Latin phrasebook for this post I see.

^^If you're invested in something and it goes in a way you don't like I think it's normal to be upset, like a series you like suddenly becomes bad (game of thrones is a good example of this) or youre a fan of sport and your team is doing bad, it's the same concept, other medium. but let's just agree to disagree let's not make this comment section longer than needed

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let's not make this comment section longer than needed

I think that ship has well and truly sailed already.