riverFlower posted:

On another note, before I knew much about Hinano, I was confused as to why she was the only 2* I owned who already had an unlockable doppel. After I learned more about her, I found out that was probably because she is awesome and getting to see her have a moment of glory in coordinating the magical girls' defense, with even Nanaka deferring to her, is satisfying.

Outside of her just being cool/important character, I think it might also be because she's said to be next oldest magical girl in Kamihama after Yachiyo, Kanagi and Mifuyu (oldest in the sense how long she has been one).

Well, today I mostly focused on clearing the Special Training shop out of its mats, which I've already finished, paying the ceremonial 1 million CC for Iroha's 5*(she actually a Super when I was leveling her to 100 which was pretty cool cuz I did only give her half the XP she needed, even if I am hardly in need to save XP) and immediately pocketing the rewards from her Doppel missions.

I barely touched chapter 10 today but I did do 10-1 since it was just two stages, but then 10-2 turned out to be a fair bit longer and it was already late so I am leaving that for tomorrow...

Outside of her just being cool/important character, I think it might also be because she's said to be next oldest magical girl in Kamihama after Yachiyo, Kanagi and Mifuyu (oldest in the sense how long she has been one).

She is actually likely has been a meguca for longer than Kanagi, while we don't know for certain when Kanagi contracted, Hinano has been a meguca for 5 years, and we know Kanagi is 17(same age as Mitama, they are actually in the same class at their school), Kanagi would have had to have contracted at age of 11 or so to be a meguca longer than Hinano, which while definitely not unheard of, is at least uncommon(we have 7 girls in the entire game that contracted at that age or younger, out of 103 if my count is right).

Well, today I mostly focused on clearing the Special Training shop out of its mats, which I've already finished

When you say mats, does that mean all of the books/orbs too? I've realized my shop clearing progress is probably going to be slow because I actually need to grind XP + episode for Iroha and Sana.

Outside of her just being cool/important character, I think it might also be because she's said to be next oldest magical girl in Kamihama after Yachiyo, Kanagi and Mifuyu (oldest in the sense how long she has been one).

She has a rather understated leader side to her, which potentially is due to how long she's been around. She hasn't really been that important to the main plot though.

which while definitely not unheard of, is at least uncommon(we have 7 girls in the entire game that contracted at that age or younger, out of 103 if my count is right).

I'm impressed you know that off the top of your head lol.

Well, I've now caught up to 10-2, we had some interesting bits like Alina pointing out the inconsistency with the Magius that she views as supporting Iroha's memories(while Touka and Nemu are still in denial about it) and Homura having a major slip of the tongue about Walpurgis while thinking aloud, but most of it was setting up the direness of the situation.

We also had a few short animated sequences, I took recordings of them to show a friend who isn't caught up to the story but was curious, from 10-2-5, the first one from 10-2-6, and the second one from 10-2-6, I actually really enjoy them for how much it feels they went all in to make the ending feel special...

When you say mats, does that mean all of the books/orbs too?

I usually leave orbs behind, as I already have every girl fully leveled and I have over 100 of each Orb, when I said mats I meant specifically mats, which has been everything except: Master Gems + and ++, all orbs, Sandbox Shells(I have close to 200 of those for some reason...), and Books(I also have over 100 of each Light book).

Books are usually better to grab in normal events in my opinion if I do need them, since normally events have full stock of every element book, and Master Gems are both overpriced in this type of event, and, well, I am hardly hurting for XP, considering I have over 1000 Master Gem++(accumulated mainly from dailies, mind) and no one to spend said XP on.

I'm impressed you know that off the top of your head lol.

The current meguca count was swiftly done by quickly counting the list from the main page in the wiki, subtracting the number of alts, and then adding +1 for Ashley, but the rest of the info really was off the top of my head.

To be clear, the girls I am counting as having contracted at 11 or younger are: Touka, Nemu, Ui, Riko, Nagisa, Suzune and Yuma.

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Well, I've now caught up to 10-2, we had some interesting bits like Alina pointing out the inconsistency with the Magius that she views as supporting Iroha's memories(while Touka and Nemu are still in denial about it)

This does make its own sense: Alina is the only one not affected by Iroha's memories being true; Touka and Nemu both have a personal connection, so they're a lot more invested in their "your memories are wrong" position.

Since we have a few more days until 10-3 drops... let's talk about something else, shall we?

I present to everyone, Super Tart, the Tart that is better than Tart at 99% of everything, she has higher stats across the board at 4*, a better Connect(which is just "Tart's Connect but with crit chance on top of it"), better Spirit Enhancement stats, and a very unique Spirit Enhancement passive, that allows her to gain MP by using her Blast discs, hugely diminishing the main weakness of Blast gorillas.

She is also the first character of a new type called "Exceed", Exceeds are a step down from Ultimate types like Madokami, where they also have an EX skill, but their EX skill only affects themselves instead of being party-wide, which is still pretty great since most units don't even get an EX skill at all, in Tart's case, her EX skill gives her Damage Enhanced [I] and Anti-Curse, since EX skills get upgraded if a unit is at 4 slots, 4 slots Super Tart likely will have Damage Enhanced [III] or better, also keep in mind that Anti-Curse is regular Tart's Spirit Enhancement passive, so Super Tart gets that for free, as well.

Super Tart's single weakness is a not-that-impressive Spirit Enhancement active, party wide Magia Up, which normally would be utterly useless to a Blast gorilla, but it is clearly meant to work off her SE passive so it is excused, regular Tart's SE active is also the sole thing that she keeps as her own, everything else Super Tart has equal or better, in the end Super Tart will be about as tanky as Kokoro or Sayaka, as strong as Homura, and being the only Blast gorilla capable of using her Magia properly on her own.

And here's a fun detail, by lore Super Tart is the third most powerful single character in the franchise, lagging behind only the two omnipotent deities... also I'd like to clarify "Super Tart" is just my nickname for her if it isn't obvious, officially the unit's name is "Tart (Final ver.)".

Forget Super Tart. What I really want is Super Hinano. She's a duo unit with Emiri and has an EX Skill that grants everyone a chance to apply status effects (Poison, Burn, and possibly a stun) to enemies upon hit.

What on Earth, how many duo units/units with EX skills are there now? There's at least six now that I'm aware of: Madokami, IroYachi, RikaRen, Amane Sisters, Tart/Riz, and Hinano/Emiri.

The Super Tart image looks so awesome it makes me want to read Tart Magica now. I'm truly curious as to what Riz's wish was that would make Tart into this form.

I present to everyone, Super Tart

Now that's a unit worth saving for.
She can't compete with Ultimate Momoko though.

Well, I've now caught up to 10-2, we had some interesting bits like Alina pointing out the inconsistency with the Magius that she views as supporting Iroha's memories(while Touka and Nemu are still in denial about it) and Homura having a major slip of the tongue about Walpurgis while thinking aloud, but most of it was setting up the direness of the situation.

We also had a few short animated sequences, I took recordings of them to show a friend who isn't caught up to the story but was curious, from 10-2-5, the first one from 10-2-6, and the second one from 10-2-6, I actually really enjoy them for how much it feels they went all in to make the ending feel special...

I'm in love with this chapter. They really went all out. Even before the animations showed up, I was already thinking that this would be awesome to see animated.

It seems cruel to be enjoying their suffering, but the direness of the situation and how it's edging into despair (even if everything will obviously turn out fine in the end) is delectable.

I present to everyone, Super Tart

Now that's a unit worth saving for.
She can't compete with Ultimate Momoko though.

For a few seconds, I believed in Ultimate Momoko.

I present to everyone, Super Tart

Now that's a unit worth saving for.
She can't compete with Ultimate Momoko though.

laughs so uncontrollably that his younger brother joins in on the laughter

I suppose Ashley was worth it even if just for that meme xD

What on Earth, how many duo units/units with EX skills are there now?

EX skills: Madokami, YachIro, and soon-to-be Super Tart(she releases tomorrow in JP).

Dual units: YachIro, Summer Amanes, and Christmas Rika & Ren, Super Tart is not a dual unit, there is a different reason Riz in her art.

Also "Hinano/Emiri" isn't a real thing, Sakura Scarlet was just talking of what they wanted.

She can't compete with Ultimate Momoko though.

Yes, but can you execute the cursed ritual to summon Ultimate Momoko?

Yes, but can you execute the cursed ritual to summon Ultimate Momoko?

...Three times at midnight during a Mirror match, was it?
Long live the Wings of Chargius.

@Veya Wait you weren't joking about Super Tart and she's a real unit? I thought I left the power creep in Fire Emblem Heroes now they're adding more of it here?

I literally posted her art, here's the full banner announcement, which also includes Lapine, the eldest of Queen Isabeau's daughters, as a 3-star, as well as the announcement for Super Tart's event, which includes a very shippy Memoria between Tart and Riz, everything I said about Super Tart is completely accurate, she has all the benefits Tart always had with a lot of fancy stuff layered on top.

For what is worth, Tart is a 2 and a half year old unit in JP MagiReco, and some power creep is expected even in the best gachas, that Tart stood her ground for so long is still pretty great, and I personally find it hilarious that she is getting power crept by herself.

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It's not as funny for me as I have a 4 slot Darc, and I am busy saving up for other units so I can't get the new Darc version when she appears on the NA server

Simple. Play for characters, not for meta.

Yeah, personally my reaction to Super Tart was just "Oh my Madokami, she looks so cool, I might actually roll for her..." before even learning how good she is meant to be, I just had to see how stunning her art is and that's only her 4-star art, she has another one that we don't know yet once she gets Awakened to 5-star.

I also appreciate how much they are decreasing the pretense between Tart and Riz, I am pretty sure MagiReco ships those two harder than their original story did...

Also "Hinano/Emiri" isn't a real thing, Sakura Scarlet was just talking of what they wanted.

I've been trolled again. XD

I personally find it hilarious that she is getting power crept by herself.

I think it doesn't feel quite as galling when a character gets canonically power crept by themselves. Though if it's done too much, just like in a game, it becomes meaningless.

Simple. Play for characters, not for meta.

Luckily those can often coincide for characters I've been interested in at least. The more awesome a character is, the more likely the creators know it and correspondingly make sure it's reflected in game.

I wonder what Masara and Kokoro's duo unit would do? I'd likely spend a few rolls on the unit if it existed.

As for today, I got my Oriko to 5★ from 3★. I also got Manaka to 4★ and level 80. Am running low on XP cards and the current event's XP cards are way too expensive.

Well, now that 10-3 is out, and I've done it, and most of the story explanation is done here, covering all or at least most of the plot points Nevri previously had issue with, and actually giving me a few details I was not aware of, including one minor but nonetheless important detail that I recognize as being relevant to part 2, though I can't really explain what it is without giving a lot of context for part 2 in first place...

Keeping in mind I am writing this while trying to be as vague as possible cuz I don't know who here is caught up...

Not done with 10-3, but just wanted to say I was so thrown for a loop when Kyubey showed up because haven't heard its voice in so long.

Edit: Yeah I've got nothing to say about the story. It wrapped up pretty much everything. I give major props to the writers for honoring the agency and power of each individual and their wish, just as the main series did. Now the only thing I care about is who wrote that book about magical girls and why + how. From the few part 2 spoilers I have, I'd conjecture without much knowledge it has something to do with those. That and I'm a little confused as to where Alina came from. Was she only a magius because of complete coincidence?

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That and I'm a little confused as to where Alina came from. Was she only a magius because of complete coincidence?

Alina's presence is the main blemish and problem I have with 10-3, you see, her personal story explains that she was going through a depressive episode due to a harsh criticism she received of her art, and after dealing with it for a while, she decides to commit suicide, Kyubey had been pestering her for a bit and just before she jumped off the hospital roof, she made a wish just so that Kyubey would go away, coincidentally the wish was the only reason she survived the suicide attempt as being a meguca gave her a much tougher body, Touka and Nemu happened to find her while she was unconscious on the garden, and managed to call for help, so when Alina noticed the two of them plus Ui running off in the middle of the night, she went after to make sure that they wouldn't get themselves in trouble, out of a sense of gratitude, and happened to be in the right place at the right time as a result.

My reason for calling this a blemish, is that you only know this if you have Alina or have otherwise seen her personal story, meaning a fairly important context to the main story is locked behind a 4-star, while the main story itself only gives the footnotes version, I only have Alina because she randomly came home when we were getting anime release rolls a few months back.

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