I feel like what Chidori did in Ch 81 was completely unnecessary. Why would she tell Mai to tell Nanoha(her girlfriend) her true feeling? Somethings are better left unsaid. And now drama (which could’ve been avoided easily) happened. And it’s not only Mai who would be hurt hurt. Nanoha also would be hurt too.

Yeah no, those kinds of things are better to be told. At least Mai would have a proper answer to her feelings and can move on from that rejection. She is not bound by her love for Nanoha. And the drama has in fact been avoided by making the confession,

Mai already know that she doesn't stand a chance and while getting clear answer make easier for people to move on, it's still up to people. Many people move on without getting rejected. And some people couldn't move on even after getting rejected clearly. The most important thing is that they WANT to move on. But that's not my main problem here. My main problem is that Chidori is the one who tell Mai to confess to Nanoha. As I said in my last post, you just DON'T tell someone to confess their feeling to your girlfriend no matter how much you trust your girlfriend.

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I don't like love triangles. So I thought "here goes this series too.." when Mai appeared. But this was a bit different and kinda nice. No (major) angst, letdowns or frustrations because choice was obvious to all - readers and characters.

And yes. I too want to see Mai x Manager.

Many people move on without getting rejected.

Which clearly wasn't the case for Mai. She wasn't moving on, she was avoiding the problem. It was better for her to face the problem head on and have a proper rejection rather than living with this weight.

As I said in my last post, you just DON'T tell someone to confess their feeling to your girlfriend no matter how much you trust your girlfriend.

But it's was because she trust Nanoha that she ask Mai to confess. She know Nanoha love her and would soft reject Mai that she told Mai to do that. And to be honest, it's better that it's Chidori who ask Mai to do it rather than Mai doing it and Chidori misunderstand the situation by eavdrop the confession. Like you said it's "many people" not everyone, there is peoples who can't move on until they got a clear answer,which was clearly the case for Mai.

Honestly, if i had a girlfriend and someone liked her, i'd do what Chidori did.
Not really thinking about if I trust her, if I trust the other person or anything else, but because it's the right thing to do. Screw what I feel, what if I was that other girl? she deservers an ending to her story.

Chidori did that because she knows how it feels when things are left unsaid, she was empathic and that's beautiful, at least in my opinion.

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Although it’s been mentioned once, I think people are mostly leaving out the obvious cues the story is giving about why Chidori says what she does to Mai—the Igarashi Event.

The chapter 81 title page is the most symbolic one of the series. It shows Old Chidori (long hair, pre-Nanoha) facing off and connecting with Present-Day Chidori.

Chidori has two specific flashbacks to Igarashi during her talk with Mai—when she references the feelings of “loving a girl” but keeping it to yourself, and trying to act as if nothing happened and “just moving on.” She explicitly knows how bad she felt and how hard it was.

She also knows that Mai hasn’t done anything wrong—she’s just liked a person she’s known for a long time (longer than Chidori has) and Mai even was supportive of Chidori and Nanoha’s relationship. (The only mistake she made was briefly thinking she had a chance when she discovered that Nanoha liked girls—you never had a chance, dear.)

Chidori isn’t just blithely ignoring a possible danger point to her relationship with Nanoha (as she explicitly says)—she’s empathizing with Mai because of what she learned from her own experience. You know—the textbook definition of a character growing and developing.

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you just DON'T tell someone to confess their feeling to your girlfriend no matter how much you trust your girlfriend

But it's was because she trust Nanoha that she ask Mai to confess.

I don't even know what to say anymore than I've said. Chidori trust Nanoha. But that does not mean that is ALRIGHT to ask Mai to confess to Nanoha who is her girlfriend of all people while she could just let it be. Before you replied 'But then Mai wouldn't be able to move on then', it's not Chidori's problem. It's not even Nanoha's problem. It's Mai's problem. Call me heartless or whatever you want but I say it's just stupid that Chidori ask Mai to confess to Nanoha just because Mai wouldn't be able to move on otherwise.

"That's how much I love Na-Chan. And yet I don't want them to break up"

Mai is very precious. The type of character who is happy as long as their crush is.

you just DON'T tell someone to confess their feeling to your girlfriend no matter how much you trust your girlfriend

But it's was because she trust Nanoha that she ask Mai to confess.

I don't even know what to say anymore than I've said. Chidori trust Nanoha. But that does not mean that is ALRIGHT to ask Mai to confess to Nanoha who is her girlfriend of all people while she could just let it be. Before you replied 'But then Mai wouldn't be able to move on then', it's not Chidori's problem. It's not even Nanoha's problem. It's Mai's problem. Call me heartless or whatever you want but I say it's just stupid that Chidori ask Mai to confess to Nanoha just because Mai wouldn't be able to move on otherwise.

You just lack empathy, as opposite of Chidori who have understand that Mai wouldn't be able to move on if she didn't try once. What could i say, you just don't understand that people could care for others even if it hurt them. And it's fact all 3's problems because you've see that Mai still have bad thought about the relation between Nanoha/Chidori, who could tell she wouldn't try something nasty in the future ? It's better to have Mai move on that having her holding in her feelings and potentially hurting Nano/Chido.

I think this situation of Chidori telling Mai to confess is complicated. Both sides are right imo. So as long as Chidori felt comfortable telling her to do it, it's ok.
If she didn't want to, that would be ok too. Some people (probably most, let's be honest) wouldn't be comfortable with that, and it's understandable. It's not about being a nice person or not.

For Mai, it turns out it was better that she confessed. But if she didn't, I don't think she would never be able to move on either, and she doesn't seem the type who would try to sabotage them or anything.

you just DON'T tell someone to confess their feeling to your girlfriend no matter how much you trust your girlfriend

But it's was because she trust Nanoha that she ask Mai to confess.

I don't even know what to say anymore than I've said. Chidori trust Nanoha. But that does not mean that is ALRIGHT to ask Mai to confess to Nanoha who is her girlfriend of all people while she could just let it be. Before you replied 'But then Mai wouldn't be able to move on then', it's not Chidori's problem. It's not even Nanoha's problem. It's Mai's problem. Call me heartless or whatever you want but I say it's just stupid that Chidori ask Mai to confess to Nanoha just because Mai wouldn't be able to move on otherwise.

You're kinda missing the point, Chidori isn't asking Mai to confess, she's simply asking if Mai is alright with leaving things as they are, and giving advice based on her personal experience. She even makes a huge point about how she's not telling Mai to do anything, and that she hates the thought it might damage her relationship with Nanoha.

All she really did was make Mai realize that it would serve no one if she just ran away.

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You just lack empathy, as opposite of Chidori who have understand that Mai wouldn't be able to move on if she didn't try once. What could i say, you just don't understand that people could care for others even if it hurt them.

There is limitation to everything; trust kindness, empathy and so on. If I have a lover whom I love and my lover love me back, I wouldn't ask someone to confess my lover just because she/he wouldn't be able to move on otherwise. And it's not because of I don't feel sorry for them nor I don't trust my lover. It's because I don't want to seem like the one who giving my lover away. If someone confess to my lover, I wouldn't mind because I trust my lover. I just wouldn't knowingly ask other person to confess to my lover.

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I just wouldn't knowingly ask other person to confess to my lover.

Your previous use of the term “alright” says that because you wouldn’t do what Chidori does that it’s wrong for anyone to ever do it.

Chidori is obviously much more empathetic than you are—she identifies with Mai’s emotional pain—and she’s much more secure in her relationship that you can imagine being. And we know why she feels that way, because the story has shown us why in no uncertain terms.

There are a variety of words for people who assume that their personal emotional responses and insecurities amount to universal laws for human behavior. Few of them are complimentary.

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Your previous use of the term “alright” says that because you wouldn’t do what Chidori does that it’s wrong for anyone to ever do it.

Did you just read everything I wrote?. Asking someone to confess to your lover make it seem like your lover is not that irreplaceable to you. No matter how much you trust your lover and no matter how you feel secure in your relationship, asking someone to confess to your lover made you seem like the person who can give away your lover. Create a poll and ask "Is it alright to encourage/ask other people to confess to my lover?" and post it on internet. Most would answer 'No'.

By the way, I know that Chidori is obviously much more empathetic than I can ever be. And I also see that she felt much more secure in her relationship.

Your previous use of the term “alright” says that because you wouldn’t do what Chidori does that it’s wrong for anyone to ever do it.

Did you just read everything I wrote?. Asking someone to confess to your lover make it seem like your lover is not that irreplaceable to you. No matter how much you trust your lover and no matter how you feel secure in your relationship, asking someone to confess to your lover made you seem like the person who can give away your lover. Create a poll and ask "Is it alright to encourage/ask other people to confess to my lover?" and post it on internet. Most would answer 'No'.

By the way, I know that Chidori is obviously much more empathetic than I can ever be. And I also see that she felt much more secure in her relationship.

I absolutely did read everything you wrote, and apparently I understood the implications of what you were saying better than you did.

If from the first you had said “I would never do what Chidori did” and left it at that—no problem. At most you might have gotten a few people to say “I wouldn’t either,” and a couple others explaining why they thought it was okay. That’s how you feel, and that’s perfectly fine.

But by continually putting the argument in terms like, “Asking someone to confess to your lover make it seem like your lover is not that irreplaceable to you,” you keep asserting that your response is some sort of universal law that applies across the board, that it’s a given that what Chidori did was (in your terms) “stupid.” (Although at least now you’ve chosen the fallback dodge of a poll to get evidence for what you somehow already know “most people” would say.)

That’s all putting aside the point that you are factually wrong on the basics of the actual situation—as has been pointed out previously Chidori explicitly did not “ask someone to confess to her lover.” She asked Mai to reflect on whether she was okay with leaving things where they were—it was up to Mai to decide what, if anything, to do. That is a far cry from “giving away your lover.”

Did you just read everything I wrote?. Asking someone to confess to your lover make it seem like your lover is not that irreplaceable to you. No matter how much you trust your lover and no matter how you feel secure in your relationship, asking someone to confess to your lover made you seem like the person who can give away your lover. Create a poll and ask "Is it alright to encourage/ask other people to confess to my lover?" and post it on internet. Most would answer 'No'.

By the way, I know that Chidori is obviously much more empathetic than I can ever be. And I also see that she felt much more secure in her relationship.

I definitely feel it's more nuanced than your suggested poll, chidori got put in a rough place with it. she either has to keep mai's feelings a secret from nanoha, which is terrible for a relationship, or reveal someone else's feelings without their permission. not even just someone else, but a close friend of nanoha and someone she's friendly with herself. if you think she was wrong going about it as she did, what would you have done?

But by continually putting the argument in terms like, “Asking someone to confess to your lover make it seem like your lover is not that irreplaceable to you,” you keep asserting that your response is some sort of universal law that applies across the board, that it’s a given that what Chidori did was (in your terms) “stupid.”

Just so you know, I never did intend to imply that my opinion is some sort of universal law that applies across the board. And I'm sorry that it did seem like that. "stupid" is just my opinion to that kind of action. And as for my other argument like "Most people-", "-alright to-"...etc, these are just my belief and how things seem to me based on my experience in life and internet. I never intend to imply what Chidori did was "stupid" universally. All I wanted to say about what Chidori did was "stupid" and "unnecessary" in my opinion. I'm sorry if my previous posts in this forum gave such an implication to you or other people who have understood the same way.

But by continually putting the argument in terms like, “Asking someone to confess to your lover make it seem like your lover is not that irreplaceable to you,” you keep asserting that your response is some sort of universal law that applies across the board, that it’s a given that what Chidori did was (in your terms) “stupid.”

Just so you know, I never did intend to imply that my opinion is some sort of universal law that applies across the board. And I'm sorry that it did seem like that. "stupid" is just my opinion to that kind of action. And as for my other argument like "Most people-", "-alright to-"...etc, these are just my belief and how things seem to me based on my experience in life and internet. I never intend to imply what Chidori did was "stupid" universally. All I wanted to say about what Chidori did was "stupid" and "unnecessary" in my opinion. I'm sorry if my previous posts in this forum gave such an implication to you or other people who have understood the same way.

OK--sorry to have been so snarky, then, because that's definitely how it came across.

Honestly, my one reaction to Chidori's advice to Mai was that Chidori being a truly good person like this was exactly why Mai knew she had no chance come between them and even went as far as to encourage Chidori before the trip despite her own feelings.

My heart is gonna explode

Honestly, my one reaction to Chidori's advice to Mai was that Chidori being a truly good person like this was exactly why Mai knew she had no chance come between them and even went as far as to encourage Chidori before the trip despite her own feelings.

Yeah that's all there is to it. Chidori went through this whole 'keeping things to yourself' drama twice, and both times ended it in deep pain. She saw someone else about to go through with this pain, and saw that Mai wasn't a bad person, just misguided. So, out of empathy (because Chidori is a good person), she just gave solid advice as well as confronted Mai about the latter's own impulse to run away/lie.

Sure, some people wouldn't do what she did, but that's the fun part about reading with, and connecting to, individuals in stories like these: They might surprise you.

AAHHH THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK UPLOADERS AND TRANSLATORS AND EVERYONE I LOVE YOU ALL

YuriIsLife1998 posted:

I'll be fine with Chidori telling she didn't mind if Mai confess to Nanoha because she trust Nanoha or someone else telling Mai to confess to Nanoha but I don't think it has to be Chidori to tell Mai to confess to Nanoha because you just DON'T tell someone to confess to your girlfriend no matter how much you trust your girlfriend. Love is selfish and somewhat possessive if not entirely possessive...

You're overlooking something here. Telling Mai to just confess her feelings can be seen as possessive itself. Chidori made it clear that she doesn't like the thought of someone else being in love with Nanoha. What better way to solve that than to force that person's feelings to have some amount of closure so they have no choice but to move on? (Though I don't think this interpretation is actually the case here. It's just a valid interpretation that counters your claims.)

And as others have repeatedly pointed out, Chidori understood that Mai wouldn't be able to properly move on without getting some closure for her feelings for Nanoha. So her actions are born from empathy from Mai's situation.

You seem to be trying to force the situation to adhere to your personal viewpoint which is why everyone's disagreeing with you. Your viewpoint doesn't agree with the actual facts of the situation.

The Mai arc and the Igarashi arc make for a very interesting contrasting, almost balanced, pair. I’m still thinking through all the parallels/contrasts, but one that really jumps out of me is, however you read Igarashi’s character (and she sparked some of the most vigorous disagreements on this forum thread), neither self-criticism nor concern for the feelings of others were her strong points—quite the contrary.

But Mai has the opposite problem—she beats herself up about her feelings, and is overly concerned about burdening others, so much so that she has trouble accepting help from her teammates, and feels bad when the lit club girls are nice to her.

I think this series has done an exemplary job of combining drama (both the mildly serious drama in those two arcs and the mini-dramas of the mundane misunderstandings between Nanoha and Chidori) with large helpings of world-class yuri fluff (I still think the scenes of Chidori trying on glasses are just the cutest, and I could name a dozen more like that offhand).

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I ended up really liking Mai, and I'm happy that she knows about our couple and they know she knows. It gives them another possible person to talk to about their relationship (though it'd no doubt be awkward as hell).
The manager girl really seems concerned about Mai, too. Some potential there!

nah. i say the day after tomorrow.